(05-28-2015 01:29 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Dude, how about we agree to disagree. I am willing to say neither one of us knows exactly what is written in any contract. My view, these bowl contracts are not as solid as they were in the past and the bowls now needs the P5 more than P5 needs the bowl. I believe your view is the bowl contracts are ironclad and the P5 needs the bowl more than the bowl needs the P5. Until the Austin bowl announces it's official tie-ins and date, neither one of us will know which view turns out to be correct.

How do you think the bowls write their contracts? That maybe, if the conference wants to, they get that conference selection? It would be moronic for the bowls to do it that way. I'd be pretty safe in saying that the bowls absolutely put in what level selection they are getting from the conference. By level I mean for example 7th-9th. Not a broad based 3rd tier.

Your view is what is wrong with America today- that contracts don't mean ****, and can get broken at a moment's notice. The ACC absolutely can't just insert a new bowl and put it ahead of what bowls they already have in place. The guy from Austin knows that. He's like if there's attrition in bowl games, maybe a conference frees up. What does that mean? That bowl games that currently are housing P5 teams would have to fail for those p5 conferences to shake loose. The guy from Australia knows it as well. You come into the game late- you are going to get the leftovers for the time being.

Now, come 2020, bowls can totally redo everything. Why? Because there are no contracts at that point.

(05-28-2015 01:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 01:29 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Dude, how about we agree to disagree. I am willing to say neither one of us knows exactly what is written in any contract. My view, these bowl contracts are not as solid as they were in the past and the bowls now needs the P5 more than P5 needs the bowl. I believe your view is the bowl contracts are ironclad and the P5 needs the bowl more than the bowl needs the P5. Until the Austin bowl announces it's official tie-ins and date, neither one of us will know which view turns out to be correct.

How do you think the bowls write their contracts? That maybe, if the conference wants to, they get that conference selection? It would be moronic for the bowls to do it that way. I'd be pretty safe in saying that the bowls absolutely put in what level selection they are getting from the conference. By level I mean for example 7th-9th. Not a broad based 3rd tier.

Your view is what is wrong with America today- that contracts don't mean ****, and can get broken at a moment's notice. The ACC absolutely can't just insert a new bowl and put it ahead of what bowls they already have in place. The guy from Austin knows that. He's like if there's attrition in bowl games, maybe a conference frees up. What does that mean? That bowl games that currently are housing P5 teams would have to fail for those p5 conferences to shake loose. The guy from Australia knows it as well. You come into the game late- you are going to get the leftovers for the time being.

Now, come 2020, bowls can totally redo everything. Why? Because there are no contracts at that point.

Apparently, you prefer not to agree to disagree. Dude, I am all for what you say, but I live in the real world. Those days are long gone and as much I would love to see them return, I am just to cynical to believe that is even possible. The P5 conferences basically have corporate lawyers doing their contracts today. I would be shocked if they did not provide some sort of out clause. I mean look at what happened to the independence bowl, Duck Commander basically got a free sponsorship because the bowl was so desperate. If you ask me which side is going to have the legal sharks, I will go with the P5 lawyers over the bowl lawyers every team.

The problem I have with it though is that these bowls know that if they didn't get a P5 team, they would be dead. So, why wouldn't they fight tooth and nail to make it where there really isn't an out.

And like I said- look at what the guy from Austin said. Unless attrition happens, P5 teams aren't opening up. Or the guy from Australia bowl.

(05-28-2015 02:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem I have with it though is that these bowls know that if they didn't get a P5 team, they would be dead. So, why wouldn't they fight tooth and nail to make it where there really isn't an out.

And like I said- look at what the guy from Austin said. Unless attrition happens, P5 teams aren't opening up. Or the guy from Australia bowl.

They may fight tooth and nail, but if they missed anything in the contract that provides an out they could be screwed. Most contracts are written with such language to provide wiggle room or an out. They may have an iron clad contract but I have also seen enough times in my life where people didn't read the contract fully. I am just saying, if I had to bet on which lawyers have put a small clause in that seem highly unlikely, it would be the P5 lawyers. We all know it will come down to Money and TV that will decide the outcome. I would say if Austin can provide a substantial higher payout and tv time, it would shock me if the conferences did not have a matching offer or buyout clause in the contract.

Let's say the St. Pete Bowl which pays 500K to the ACC. If Austin offered 1.5 million and the buyout was equivalent to the 500K payout, don't you think the ACC would jump at this? All I am saying, neither of us know what are in the contracts have or if they are any out clauses. You assume no and I assume yes.

Thus, can we agree to disagree?

If what you are saying is true- don't you think we would have seen some movement like what you are suggesting already? With the nature of the business, I do think these bowls make these contracts pretty much iron clad. Why? Because there is such a large difference between a P5 team and a non P5 team.

And you refuse to even think what the guy from Austin said. I think he's got far greater pulse on the situation than you do. I think you are talking in hope speak rather than reality. You hope the P5 can get out of playing the G5's.

(05-28-2015 02:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If what you are saying is true- don't you think we would have seen some movement like what you are suggesting already? With the nature of the business, I do think these bowls make these contracts pretty much iron clad. Why? Because there is such a large difference between a P5 team and a non P5 team.

And you refuse to even think what the guy from Austin said. I think he's got far greater pulse on the situation than you do. I think you are talking in hope speak rather than reality. You hope the P5 can get out of playing the G5's.

Actually, I have no issue playing if the ACC plays the G5. I was glad NCSU played in St. Pete than Detroit. I just hated it was the day after Christmas and I couldn't make the game. I just state what I think may happen and I have stated it may not happen. Hey the guy from Austin does know more than I do about the bowl but I also think he is not going to show all his cards if the bowl has higher ambitions. It is fun to speculate and look at all the scenarios. I do think you are more emotionally attached to this discussion than I am. I apologize if I upset you, but I also still disagree with you on what is possible. Hey I just enjoy bowl season, I always have.

@ChuckCarltonDMN 9m9 minutes ago
Heart of Dallas Bowl will kick off at 1:20 p.m. Dec. 26 on ESPN, the bowl announced. CUSA vs. Big 12.

(05-29-2015 11:50 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  @ChuckCarltonDMN 9m9 minutes ago
Heart of Dallas Bowl will kick off at 1:20 p.m. Dec. 26 on ESPN, the bowl announced. CUSA vs. Big 12.

Gee, I thought CUSA fans thought that would always be a NYE bowl. Guess not.

(05-29-2015 11:50 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  @ChuckCarltonDMN 9m9 minutes ago
Heart of Dallas Bowl will kick off at 1:20 p.m. Dec. 26 on ESPN, the bowl announced. CUSA vs. Big 12.

THX for the update.

Wow, really thought this game would get a better time slot this year. I doubt a P5 will be jumping for this time slot. Not sure why the AAC is even willing to ask ESPN for more money before their contract is up, not like ESPN it really helping them with time slots.

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN · 24m24 minutes ago
Miami Beach Bowl set for Dec. 21 kickoff at 2:30 p.m. ET on ESPN b/w AAC & C-USA

FBSchedules.com ‏@FBSchedules 36m36 minutes ago
2015 @NewOrleansBowl set for Sat., Dec. 19 at 9pm ET, per their website (h/t @NathanBrice3000).

Game times for the CFP bowls. They will wait until "Selection Sunday" to announce which of this year's semifinals, Cotton and Orange, gets which time slot.

Just for fun - Predicting the final five bowl kickoff dates. Fill free to take your guesses.

St. Petersburg Bowl - 7 -8 PM Wed Dec 23rrd
The American vs. C-USA Tropicana Field

Russell Athletic Bowl - Tuesday 5:30 or 6PM Dec 29th
ACC vs. Big 12 Florida Citrus Bowl

Foster Farms Bowl 9-10pm Sat Dec 26th
Big Ten vs. Pac-12 Levi's Stadium

Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl 1-2pm Dec Tues Dec 29th
Big Ten vs. MWC Amon G. Carter Stadium

Birmingham Bowl 12-1pm Wednesday Dec 30th
SEC vs. The American Legion Field

GoDaddy Bowl Dec 18th 11am-12pm ESPN
MAC vs. Sun Belt Ladd-Peebles Stadium

(06-04-2015 10:22 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Just for fun - Predicting the final five bowl kickoff dates. Fill free to take your guesses.

St. Petersburg Bowl - 7 -8 PM Wed Dec 23rrd
The American vs. C-USA Tropicana Field

Russell Athletic Bowl - Tuesday 5:30 or 6PM Dec 29th
ACC vs. Big 12 Florida Citrus Bowl

Foster Farms Bowl 9-10pm Sat Dec 26th
Big Ten vs. Pac-12 Levi's Stadium

Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl 1-2pm Dec Tues Dec 29th
Big Ten vs. MWC Amon G. Carter Stadium

Birmingham Bowl 12-1pm Wednesday Dec 30th
SEC vs. The American Legion Field

GoDaddy Bowl Dec 18th 11am-12pm ESPN
MAC vs. Sun Belt Ladd-Peebles Stadium

IMO one of those games will end up on Monday night, Jan. 4. Not the Foster Farms Bowl, because the 49ers play at home on Jan. 3; Foster Farms will probably be on the previous weekend, when the 49ers are on the road. I'll guess GoDaddy for Jan. 4. So much for that guess -- the GoDaddy Bowl website says their game is on Dec. 23. Presumably in eastern prime time, though there is no game time shown on the site.

(06-04-2015 10:58 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 10:22 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Just for fun - Predicting the final five bowl kickoff dates. Fill free to take your guesses.

St. Petersburg Bowl - 7 -8 PM Wed Dec 23rrd
The American vs. C-USA Tropicana Field

Russell Athletic Bowl - Tuesday 5:30 or 6PM Dec 29th
ACC vs. Big 12 Florida Citrus Bowl

Foster Farms Bowl 9-10pm Sat Dec 26th
Big Ten vs. Pac-12 Levi's Stadium

Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl 1-2pm Dec Tues Dec 29th
Big Ten vs. MWC Amon G. Carter Stadium

Birmingham Bowl 12-1pm Wednesday Dec 30th
SEC vs. The American Legion Field

GoDaddy Bowl Dec 18th 11am-12pm ESPN
MAC vs. Sun Belt Ladd-Peebles Stadium

IMO one of those games will end up on Monday night, Jan. 4. Not the Foster Farms Bowl, because the 49ers play at home on Jan. 3; Foster Farms will probably be on the previous weekend, when the 49ers are on the road. I'll guess GoDaddy for Jan. 4.

They didn't do that last year. Jan 4 will actually be the first Big Monday of the season on ESPN.

I would like to see the ACC vs PAC in the Indy Bowl and in the Foster Farms Bowl... That along with Sun Bowl would be a great lineup between the ACC vs PAC for Bowl Season..

The BIG12 and SEC could have another Bowl game.... The Austin Bowl could host that match up.....everyone would win!!

(06-04-2015 11:03 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I would like to see the ACC vs PAC in the Indy Bowl and in the Foster Farms Bowl... That along with Sun Bowl would be a great lineup between the ACC vs PAC for Bowl Season..

The BIG12 and SEC could have another Bowl game.... The Austin Bowl could host that match up.....everyone would win!!

maybe 5 years from now when the contracts are redone.

although it's
Foster Farms- Big Ten/Pac 12- that's not likely to change
Indy Bowl- ACC/SEC- that's not likely to change

Big 12 already has 8 bowl games. with 7 vs P5's. No room at the inn sort of speak.

(06-04-2015 11:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  They didn't do that last year. Jan 4 will actually be the first Big Monday of the season on ESPN.

OK. ESPN did show a Sunday night bowl last season b/c the NFL doesn't play a Sunday night game the last week of its regular season. We can eliminate Foster Farms and GoDaddy for that date, so maybe that Sunday night is the Birmingham Bowl timeslot.

Let's go ahead and guess the Armed Forces Bowl for Jan. 2, with ESPN double-tracking and putting one of its games on ESPN2 or ABC that day.

(06-04-2015 11:18 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-04-2015 11:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  They didn't do that last year. Jan 4 will actually be the first Big Monday of the season on ESPN.

OK. ESPN did show a Sunday night bowl last season b/c the NFL doesn't play a Sunday night game the last week of its regular season. We can eliminate Foster Farms and GoDaddy for that date, so maybe that Sunday night is the Birmingham Bowl timeslot.

Let's go ahead and guess the Armed Forces Bowl for Jan. 2, with ESPN double-tracking and putting one of its games on ESPN2 or ABC that day.

The NFL does play a Sunday night game, but not a Monday night game.

Go Daddy Dec. 23, 2015 at 7 p.m. (CT) and will be televised nationally on ESPN. I missed that one by a mile. Actually probably the best time slot it has had since the SB vs MAC tie-in.