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(05-20-2015 07:53 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  EKU has a storied history and an in state rival. Apparently their considering building a new stadium from scratch. It's a no brainer particularly if they plan to remove the word Kidd from the new stadium. 04-jawdrop

Sorry, still has to be Roy Kidd Stadium (not to be confused with Kidd-Brewer Stadium).

Western's AD has publicly stated they would play EKU every year if we move up. That's a start. We actually just announce a 4 year home and home with them in B'ball. Glad to see that get going again. Got shut down when Horn was Western's HC.
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(05-20-2015 06:30 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  So, here are my thoughts on everything I have read, just gathered into one long reply:

Is the travel to Idaho that bad? No. Is the success that Idaho has had recently that bad? Yes. Idaho is dragging the conference down more than even Georgia State is. The Vandals played their first season in 1893, but their record is a whopping 443-568-26. I know that records don't tell the whole story, but a school that is way out of the footprint and is not showing any progress does not deserve yet another chance to prove the conference wrong again.

In regards to EKU and CCU, I would rather take Coastal. I know that is not a popular opinion, but I think South Carolina has always been like North Carolina, in that there have been a few schools that dominated the state (Clemson, USC, UNC, Duke, NC State). Coastal would tap into a bit of a new market while providing some quality athletic teams. I know the support isn't astronomical, but when you're playing the likes of Elon, South Carolina State, and Gardner Webb, who can expect a huge spike in attendance? I just think EKU would see a short spike in attendance due to them being FBS, and then it would dwindle away, with a majority of the fair weather fans heading up the road to UK or Louisville for bigger names when the team starts to fall. Coastal could be ready, facilities wise, quickly with a few renovations, while EKU is looking to have to start over in a few places.

All in all, my top pick would still be JMU. I know that they want nothing to do with the Belt, but their chances at moving up are getting smaller and smaller by the day. I would also love to have UT-Chattanooga as a member of the conference, as they get us back into Tennessee, their facilities are already pretty solid, they're relatively successful, and they're in a market that we haven't really tapped into quite yet. My list, in this order, would be JMU, Missouri State, UTC, Coastal, Liberty, and EKU.

Also, if Idaho is given the boot, I'm okay with NMSU joining as a full member as long as they make great strides to improve their football team and attendance over the next five years. If you're lagging behind in football at this point, it's either time to nut up or shut up. To earn a better reputation for the conference, we can't afford stragglers.

Obviously you have never traveled to Moscow Idaho and to say its not hard to travel to is completely asinine. And no, Idaho is not dragging the conference down more then Georgia State in football, and I doubt seriously you were around in 1893, much less 1990. Idaho has been to a bowl game as recently as 2009 and has some history in the Div. 1AA playoffs, Georgia State has been nothing but the toilet bowl from day one in SBC football. No history, zero accomplishments to date. Let's be factual and not throw out just anything.
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(05-20-2015 10:30 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
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(05-20-2015 09:04 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Coastal is a good dark horse candidate but I can't believe that their football program is really ready to make the jump?

I think EKU can be ready for the '16 season but I have doubts about coastal.

If CCU gets called up I would not be upset but I don't think they should be our #2 option. I'd rather have JMU or Liberty first.

To me Coastal makes no sense unless they are taking a slower path to FBS, say 5-10 years but want in now and are willing to slog along getting ready.

Exactly! I didn't hear of any mention of adding another football playing member. I didn't hear which programs were discussed, but it makes sense for Coastal Carolina or Eastern Kentucky in Olympic sports. We don't need another football program right now in my opinion.

Short term add Coastal Olympic sports and U Mass.
The CFP pays per team up to twelve to the conference.
Travel expenses can be deducted from football only members cut.
A twelfth team is wanted for scheduling and also a travel partner for APP.
Basketball revenue is 250k split among each Olympic sports member.
Football revenue is 1 to 1.5 million per team more than the TV contract I have read.So how does it make sense to have more basketball schools the conference tournament is even a money loser . A conference championship football game would at least break even .
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(05-20-2015 07:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 06:30 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  So, here are my thoughts on everything I have read, just gathered into one long reply:

Is the travel to Idaho that bad? No. Is the success that Idaho has had recently that bad? Yes. Idaho is dragging the conference down more than even Georgia State is. The Vandals played their first season in 1893, but their record is a whopping 443-568-26. I know that records don't tell the whole story, but a school that is way out of the footprint and is not showing any progress does not deserve yet another chance to prove the conference wrong again.

In regards to EKU and CCU, I would rather take Coastal. I know that is not a popular opinion, but I think South Carolina has always been like North Carolina, in that there have been a few schools that dominated the state (Clemson, USC, UNC, Duke, NC State). Coastal would tap into a bit of a new market while providing some quality athletic teams. I know the support isn't astronomical, but when you're playing the likes of Elon, South Carolina State, and Gardner Webb, who can expect a huge spike in attendance? I just think EKU would see a short spike in attendance due to them being FBS, and then it would dwindle away, with a majority of the fair weather fans heading up the road to UK or Louisville for bigger names when the team starts to fall. Coastal could be ready, facilities wise, quickly with a few renovations, while EKU is looking to have to start over in a few places.

All in all, my top pick would still be JMU. I know that they want nothing to do with the Belt, but their chances at moving up are getting smaller and smaller by the day. I would also love to have UT-Chattanooga as a member of the conference, as they get us back into Tennessee, their facilities are already pretty solid, they're relatively successful, and they're in a market that we haven't really tapped into quite yet. My list, in this order, would be JMU, Missouri State, UTC, Coastal, Liberty, and EKU.

Also, if Idaho is given the boot, I'm okay with NMSU joining as a full member as long as they make great strides to improve their football team and attendance over the next five years. If you're lagging behind in football at this point, it's either time to nut up or shut up. To earn a better reputation for the conference, we can't afford stragglers.

I like Idaho, they are fighters, but they are a pain to travel to and hurt our power ratings. I'm glad they were available when we needed help to get through the transition but that era has ended. Time to end it.

EKU, I like the attitude of their president but I'm leery of a fourth FBS in a hoops state, especially when the school doesn't elevate us in football or basketball.

Coastal, I like everything about them except football attendance and their stadium. They are just over two hours from South Carolina and four from Clemson in a metro of 430k+

NMSU hurts us in football but can help in other sports. Either get them in all sports or cut them loose.

JMU, I don't believe their administration is that interested in FBS unless there is enough pressure and the looming July 1, 2016 deadline requiring state approval changes their mind.

I still think a brokered deal is possible, we will vote for your eastern school of choice if you vote for NMSU.

I don't think we announce any FCS to FBS add before June 1 so scratch any FCS until after football season.

My guess is if expansion is imminent (ie. an announcement prior to July 1, 2015) that NMSU is the announcement and if that announcement happens I'd say there is a 60%-75% chance we announce an eastern FCS move-up some time between December 2015 and May 2016.

Everything you stated makes sense arkstfan, but I think that is the problem. It makes entirely too much sense for our conference to actually act upon.
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(05-20-2015 08:34 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 06:30 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  So, here are my thoughts on everything I have read, just gathered into one long reply:

Is the travel to Idaho that bad? No. Is the success that Idaho has had recently that bad? Yes. Idaho is dragging the conference down more than even Georgia State is. The Vandals played their first season in 1893, but their record is a whopping 443-568-26. I know that records don't tell the whole story, but a school that is way out of the footprint and is not showing any progress does not deserve yet another chance to prove the conference wrong again.

In regards to EKU and CCU, I would rather take Coastal. I know that is not a popular opinion, but I think South Carolina has always been like North Carolina, in that there have been a few schools that dominated the state (Clemson, USC, UNC, Duke, NC State). Coastal would tap into a bit of a new market while providing some quality athletic teams. I know the support isn't astronomical, but when you're playing the likes of Elon, South Carolina State, and Gardner Webb, who can expect a huge spike in attendance? I just think EKU would see a short spike in attendance due to them being FBS, and then it would dwindle away, with a majority of the fair weather fans heading up the road to UK or Louisville for bigger names when the team starts to fall. Coastal could be ready, facilities wise, quickly with a few renovations, while EKU is looking to have to start over in a few places.

All in all, my top pick would still be JMU. I know that they want nothing to do with the Belt, but their chances at moving up are getting smaller and smaller by the day. I would also love to have UT-Chattanooga as a member of the conference, as they get us back into Tennessee, their facilities are already pretty solid, they're relatively successful, and they're in a market that we haven't really tapped into quite yet. My list, in this order, would be JMU, Missouri State, UTC, Coastal, Liberty, and EKU.

Also, if Idaho is given the boot, I'm okay with NMSU joining as a full member as long as they make great strides to improve their football team and attendance over the next five years. If you're lagging behind in football at this point, it's either time to nut up or shut up. To earn a better reputation for the conference, we can't afford stragglers.

Obviously you have never traveled to Moscow Idaho and to say its not hard to travel to is completely asinine. And no, Idaho is not dragging the conference down more then Georgia State in football, and I doubt seriously you were around in 1893, much less 1990. Idaho has been to a bowl game as recently as 2009 and has some history in the Div. 1AA playoffs, Georgia State has been nothing but the toilet bowl from day one in SBC football. No history, zero accomplishments to date. Let's be factual and not throw out just anything.

Fly to Spokane then ninety mile drive.
Similar to Charlotte to Boone with a longer flight.
Idaho had one losing season from 1982-1999
Played ina a conference with most of the PAC 12 schools for a long time.
Then played many years as the only BSC major college team.
Idaho doesn't have a great history ten conference tiltes .
We do have an interesting one and won our second bowl game in 2009.
We would rather be in the MWC you guys would rather have JMU.
Neither of those is happening at this time but in the future its possible.
Utah ST is similar to Idaho and ODU to JMU .
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(05-20-2015 10:01 AM)chantzilla Wrote:  
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(05-20-2015 09:49 AM)chantzilla Wrote:  http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf

Coastal averaged nearly 900 more people than EKU at football games this past year...all the while playing in the weak Big South.

I guarantee you home games against Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, etc., would elevate our average attendance (probably more dramatically than a lot of people think).

What's your current seating capacity at? Any expansions planned for the future?

Right now, it's 9,400 with the ability to expand to 20,000+

http://www.goccusports.com/facilities/br...adium.html

The real problem is your parking. No way CC can park 20,000 fans, which I don't think the stadium could reach, if they existed.
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I cannot, in good conscience, say Coastal Carolina is a good match for the Sun Belt for the following reasons:

1. THAT TURF! BURN IT WITH FIRE!
2. I not only don't know what their mascot is, but I can't even spell it.
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(05-20-2015 08:59 PM)Florida Red Wolf Wrote:  The real problem is your parking. No way CC can park 20,000 fans, which I don't think the stadium could reach, if they existed.

I don't think that's quite true. Coastal will utilize the entire campus for parking and use shuttles to bus people from across campus to the stadium. They use shuttles now and it works. They just opened a new parking lot near the stadium. Also, there is a tech school right next door that they could use for gameday parking, and did when the program first started.
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(05-20-2015 09:06 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I cannot, in good conscience, say Coastal Carolina is a good match for the Sun Belt for the following reasons:

1. THAT TURF! BURN IT WITH FIRE!
2. I not only don't know what their mascot is, but I can't even spell it.

I think it's a chicken with a fancy name. If you can spell chicken just use that. One of there colours is teal isn't it? Never liked teal.
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(05-20-2015 10:27 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 09:06 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I cannot, in good conscience, say Coastal Carolina is a good match for the Sun Belt for the following reasons:

1. THAT TURF! BURN IT WITH FIRE!
2. I not only don't know what their mascot is, but I can't even spell it.

I think it's a chicken with a fancy name. If you can spell chicken just use that. One of there colours is teal isn't it? Never liked teal.
The chicken honors their USC-coastal past and Teal I think was because of the Panthers and Hornets.Chanticleer I'M not sure about but the guy in the costume is great . totally irrelevant but they have a really good game day mascot.
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(05-20-2015 09:49 AM)chantzilla Wrote:  http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf

Coastal averaged nearly 900 more people than EKU at football games this past year...all the while playing in the weak Big South.

I guarantee you home games against Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, etc., would elevate our average attendance (probably more dramatically than a lot of people think).

A lot of people think? We may bring one or two more fans than the current average.

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(05-20-2015 09:06 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I cannot, in good conscience, say Coastal Carolina is a good match for the Sun Belt for the following reasons:

1. THAT TURF! BURN IT WITH FIRE!
2. I not only don't know what their mascot is, but I can't even spell it.

coastal would not be a peer to any sbc schools..barely 10,000 students only a few degree programs to offer and not even a phd. not much to offer sports wise either. you guys are not very picky.
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(05-21-2015 07:19 AM)runamuck Wrote:  coastal would not be a peer to any sbc schools..barely 10,000 students only a few degree programs to offer and not even a phd. not much to offer sports wise either. you guys are not very picky.

http://www.coastal.edu/scmss/programs/phd.html
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(05-21-2015 07:19 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 09:06 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I cannot, in good conscience, say Coastal Carolina is a good match for the Sun Belt for the following reasons:

1. THAT TURF! BURN IT WITH FIRE!
2. I not only don't know what their mascot is, but I can't even spell it.

coastal would not be a peer to any sbc schools..barely 10,000 students only a few degree programs to offer and not even a phd. not much to offer sports wise either. you guys are not very picky.

They are already on par sports wise with some of the current SunBelt schools, if not better. Duke only has 6500 undergrads, you should probably notify the ACC that they are not a good fit.
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Whenever I hear people start complaining about academics and especially enrollment (which has very little to do with athletic performance) I just stop listening. Those are the kinds of things that Big Ten fans use as a defense mechanism since they got lapped by other conferences.
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(05-21-2015 07:19 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-20-2015 09:06 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I cannot, in good conscience, say Coastal Carolina is a good match for the Sun Belt for the following reasons:

1. THAT TURF! BURN IT WITH FIRE!
2. I not only don't know what their mascot is, but I can't even spell it.

coastal would not be a peer to any sbc schools..barely 10,000 students only a few degree programs to offer and not even a phd. not much to offer sports wise either. you guys are not very picky.

Roughly the same enrollment as the AState campus in Jonesboro and four slots below AState in the US News rankings, almost 20 slots ahead of Troy with more students on campus than Troy, about 25 slots ahead of ULM with more students on campus than ULM.

If Coastal is too small and beneath the ivy covered walls of the Sun Belt go ahead and expel AState, Troy, and ULM because we don't fit either.
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(05-20-2015 06:51 AM)moehler Wrote:  I wish Chatt would get their **** together and become a viable candidate to move up, great market, stadium that just needs 25-35 million to renovate stadium up to 30,000, good solid football program, easy travel for almost all the conference, and would give App a travel partner, who both GS and App have a history with. The would have to improve alot of other sports and start up the baseball program, but they could do it. I always thought when we were in the SC, Chatt had the best chance to be successful in the FBS, because of all the potential advantages they had over others like GS and App. Its a shame the administration has zero ambition, who seems to be content with keeping everything the status quo. As far as Coastal Carolina/EKU, I guess their better than nothing, but they don't move the needle for me.

Have you not learned anything from UA-B? You guys don't want UT-C...UT-K will never allow them to be more than FCS.
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Dang, Coastal Carolina is gaining some steam, watch out!
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That would be the ultimate humiliation to us in Lynchburg.
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Chattanooga had a window of opportunity in the mid to late 80's. Widely considered to be the most like next team to FBS back then, they are not viable at this point even though football is finally emerging from a down period.
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