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Ways W's administration cooked the books on Iraq.
Here are a few examples of how Bush and Cheney cooked the books:

In an August 2002 speech that kicked off the administration's campaign for war against Iraq, Cheney asserted, "Simply stated, there's no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." But earlier in the year, Vice Adm. Thomas Wilson, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, had told Congress that Iraq possessed only "residual" amounts of WMD. There was no confirmed intelligence at this point establishing that Saddam had revived a major WMD operation. As Cheney made this claim, Anthony Zinni, a former commander in chief of US Central Command, was on the stage. He was stunned to hear Cheney say that Iraq was actively pursuing WMD. As he later recalled, "It was a shock. It was a total shock. I couldn't believe the vice president was saying this, you know? In doing work with the CIA on Iraq WMD, through all the briefings I heard at Langley, I never saw one piece of credible evidence that there was an ongoing program." In other words, bad intelligence did not cause Cheney to make this categorical, bold, and frightening statement. He just did it.

In September 2002, Cheney insisted there was "very clear evidence" Saddam was developing nuclear weapons: Iraq's acquisition of aluminum tubes that were to be used to enrich uranium for bombs. But Cheney and the Bush White House did not tell the public that there was a heated dispute within the intelligence community about this supposed evidence. The top scientific experts in the government had concluded these tubes were not suitable for a nuclear weapons program. But one CIA analyst—who was not a scientific expert—contended the tubes were smoking-gun proof that Saddam was working to produce nuclear weapons. The Bush-Cheney White House embraced this faulty piece of evidence and ignored the more-informed analysis. Bush and Cheney were cherry-picking—choosing bad intelligence over good—and not paying attention to better information that cut the other way.

Cheney repeatedly referred publicly to a report that maintained that 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta had met secretly in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence officer—even though the CIA and FBI had dismissed this allegation. This is a damning example of Cheney citing discredited intelligence to score points. Intelligence experts had said there was nothing to this tale, but Cheney kept on mentioning the alleged Atta-Iraq connection to suggest Iraq was involved with the 9/11 attacks. The 9/11 Commission later reconfirmed that this report of a Prague meeting was bunk.

The Atta allegation was part of a wider effort mounted by the Bush-Cheney administration to link Saddam to 9/11. In November 2002, Bush said Saddam "is a threat because he's dealing with Al Qaeda." Weeks earlier, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had claimed he had "bullet-proof" evidence that Saddam was tied to Osama bin Laden. In March 2003, Cheney asserted that Saddam had a "long-standing relationship" with Al Qaeda. The intelligence did not show this. As the 9/11 Commission later concluded, there had been no intelligence confirming significant contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Once again, Bush and Cheney were not being fooled by flawed intelligence; they were were pushing disinformation.

At a press conference at the end of 2002, Bush declared, "We don't know whether or not [Saddam] has a nuclear weapon." He clearly was suggesting that Saddam might already possess these dangerous weapons. Yet no intelligence at the time indicated that the Iraqi dictator had by then developed such weapons. The administration also insisted Saddam had been shopping for uranium in Africa, even though the intelligence on this point was dubious.
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You can tell things aren't going as planned over there now that all the "Bush" stuff is coming back. Like clockwork.
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I was actually thinking the same thing. They should come out with all of this stuff after Jeb gets the nod. It's not how I would play it. I think Jeb might be mortally wounded because of his brother. Why would you want to run against that whole meme if you were a Republican who wanted to win. I think it's going to be Rubio.
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I don't care.

It isn't actionable information.
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(05-19-2015 01:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I was actually thinking the same thing. They should come out with all of this stuff after Jeb gets the nod. It's not how I would play it. I think Jeb might be mortally wounded because of his brother. Why would you want to run against that whole meme if you were a Republican who wanted to win. I think it's going to be Rubio.

03-lmfao

Let know if you still believe that after watching this. Geez...

Chris Wallace Grills Marco Rubio On Iraq, Senator Dodges On If He Believes War Was Mistake
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(05-19-2015 01:42 PM)VA49er Wrote:  You can tell things aren't going as planned over there now that all the "Bush" stuff is coming back. Like clockwork.

That's All They have for the last almost 7 years now Blame Bush. That's fine for back then but Blame the Current Administration, I won't even Name Names but They and A Future Candidate have had Total control over the last Almost 7 years of a malfunctioning Iraq and Gitmo plan that has perpetuated the issue and made it worse. They have chosen the Easy road out of Dodge and left billions of dollars to waste .
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(05-19-2015 01:42 PM)VA49er Wrote:  You can tell things aren't going as planned over there now that all the "Bush" stuff is coming back. Like clockwork.

I agree. Amazing that after 7 years of Obama it's still Bush's fault.

How about this response: "What difference does it make what Bush did?" How's that sound?

How about this: "No more Clintons, no more Bushes."
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Hillary's email problems and cash donations are Bush's fault. Got it.
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This where you guys get clouded. You can't see it. Your hatred for Hillary blinds you. Average Joe and Sue. Do they care more about emails and Benghazi or the Iraq War. You're dead in the water before the race even begins. You're screwed. The true believers like ERC will have his pom poms and copier and paster ready but in the end you will have a solid 20% that believe the noise. I gaurantee you the run of the mill voter will be more disgusted by the GOP candidate than Hillary. If it's Jeb...... IT"S OVAH........... It's probably over right now. You can't compete.
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(05-19-2015 02:05 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This where you guys get clouded. You can't see it. Your hatred for Hillary blinds you. Average Joe and Sue. Do they care more about emails and Benghazi or the Iraq War. You're dead in the water before the race even begins. You're screwed. The true believers like ERC will have his pom poms and copier and paster ready but in the end you will have a solid 20% that believe the noise. I gaurantee you the run of the mill voter will be more disgusted by the GOP candidate than Hillary. If it's Jeb...... IT"S OVAH........... It's probably over right now. You can't compete.

Hillary will be lucky to make it mid-way through the primaries. If my de-facto candidate was avoiding questions and the media while supposedly campaigning, has been caught lying about a second email address, has to soon testify in front of congress about an incident that they were responsible for that saw 4 Americans get killed due to that person's incompetence, I would be very very nervous about my party's chances.

Hillarious's biggest problem isnt the fact that she has no accomplishments, its the fact that her supporters cant even lie and make up some accomplishments that she has.
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Well I'm sure not voting for him in the next election...
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(05-19-2015 01:42 PM)VA49er Wrote:  You can tell things aren't going as planned over there now that all the "Bush" stuff is coming back. Like clockwork.

This is so true. We were promised that the US pullout of Iraq would be viewed as a great Obama achievement by Obama.
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(05-19-2015 02:05 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This where you guys get clouded. You can't see it. Your hatred for Hillary blinds you. Average Joe and Sue. Do they care more about emails and Benghazi or the Iraq War.

Two years of pointing out all the special sweetheart deals Clinton foundation donors happened upon tied to the message "and she used her own server to subvert oversight" make Clinton *THE MOST BEATABLE DEMOCRAT*

If Hillary was running against W sure but you don't have that.
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(05-19-2015 01:52 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  
(05-19-2015 01:42 PM)VA49er Wrote:  You can tell things aren't going as planned over there now that all the "Bush" stuff is coming back. Like clockwork.

That's All They have for the last almost 7 years now Blame Bush. That's fine for back then but Blame the Current Administration, I won't even Name Names but They and A Future Candidate have had Total control over the last Almost 7 years of a malfunctioning Iraq and Gitmo plan that has perpetuated the issue and made it worse. They have chosen the Easy road out of Dodge and left billions of dollars to waste .

But it isn't just that. It's the fact that these republican candidates don't have the stones to admit it was a mistake.

It shows the American people that these morons haven't learned anything since the last time they were in power.
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I've said it before and I'm sure I will say it again after this. The republicans need to repudiate George W. Bush. It's as simple as that. Fairly or unfairly, as long as they can be tied to him, opponents and media will use it to harm them.
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(05-19-2015 02:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've said it before and I'm sure I will say it again after this. The republicans need to repudiate George W. Bush. It's as simple as that. Fairly or unfairly, as long as they can be tied to him, opponents and media will use it to harm them.

Eh, Hillary voted for the war. She supported the democrats blocking any reform for the housing market that led to the collapse. She had a direct hand in whats going on in Syria today. She allowed 4 Americans to be murdered on her watch. Why repudiate Bush when the leading opponent voted for the war, and has worse on her hands?
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(05-19-2015 02:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-19-2015 02:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've said it before and I'm sure I will say it again after this. The republicans need to repudiate George W. Bush. It's as simple as that. Fairly or unfairly, as long as they can be tied to him, opponents and media will use it to harm them.
Eh, Hillary voted for the war. She supported the democrats blocking any reform for the housing market that led to the collapse. She had a direct hand in whats going on in Syria today. She allowed 4 Americans to be murdered on her watch. Why repudiate Bush when the leading opponent voted for the war, and has worse on her hands?

I agree with your substantive points. I'm not saying repudiate Bush because he was necessarily wrong. I'm saying repudiate him because there's no other way to get rid of the excess baggage he brings. In a fair world, Bush would have a much better reputation, and Obama would have a much worse reputation. But this world is not fair, particularly with CBS and ABC and NBC and CNN and MSNBC and PBS and NPR are involved.
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(05-19-2015 02:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-19-2015 02:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've said it before and I'm sure I will say it again after this. The republicans need to repudiate George W. Bush. It's as simple as that. Fairly or unfairly, as long as they can be tied to him, opponents and media will use it to harm them.

Eh, Hillary voted for the war. She supported the democrats blocking any reform for the housing market that led to the collapse. She had a direct hand in whats going on in Syria today. She allowed 4 Americans to be murdered on her watch. Why repudiate Bush when the leading opponent voted for the war, and has worse on her hands?

Hillary did not vote for war. That is 100% incorrect.
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(05-19-2015 02:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-19-2015 02:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-19-2015 02:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've said it before and I'm sure I will say it again after this. The republicans need to repudiate George W. Bush. It's as simple as that. Fairly or unfairly, as long as they can be tied to him, opponents and media will use it to harm them.
Eh, Hillary voted for the war. She supported the democrats blocking any reform for the housing market that led to the collapse. She had a direct hand in whats going on in Syria today. She allowed 4 Americans to be murdered on her watch. Why repudiate Bush when the leading opponent voted for the war, and has worse on her hands?

I agree with your substantive points. I'm not saying repudiate Bush because he was necessarily wrong. I'm saying repudiate him because there's no other way to get rid of the excess baggage he brings. In a fair world, Bush would have a much better reputation, and Obama would have a much worse reputation. But this world is not fair, particularly with CBS and ABC and NBC and CNN and MSNBC and PBS and NPR are involved.

The "blame Bush" nonsense worked for Obama, because the people who believed him arent capable of thinking for themselves, and since he never voted on anything as a short-bus senator, he wasnt tied to any of Bush's votes.

Not so for Hillarious. The blame Bush narrative wont work for her at all. She voted for the war. And she has blood on her hands from Benghazi. And she and Billary make a ton of money simply by being in politics. I'm not sure the people on the left can swallow that. Thats like an unholy trifecta for them.
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(05-19-2015 02:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(05-19-2015 02:44 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-19-2015 02:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I've said it before and I'm sure I will say it again after this. The republicans need to repudiate George W. Bush. It's as simple as that. Fairly or unfairly, as long as they can be tied to him, opponents and media will use it to harm them.

Eh, Hillary voted for the war. She supported the democrats blocking any reform for the housing market that led to the collapse. She had a direct hand in whats going on in Syria today. She allowed 4 Americans to be murdered on her watch. Why repudiate Bush when the leading opponent voted for the war, and has worse on her hands?

Hillary did not vote for war. That is 100% incorrect.

Then why did she say she had no regrets in doing exactly that?
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