Listing really bad moves on a list supposedly reserved for good moves.....

(05-17-2015 06:40 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 06:32 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  ^^^ Thats what I was saying earlier.

At least So Miss was able to slide over to the West and still be in a division with teams that have name recognition.

Not trying to be a douche to our current division mates, but I think Marshall got hit pretty hard the last round of realignment.

Yeah, the East tanked. I meant MTSU and WKU aren't "bad" additions overall but the fact that Charlotte is a complete start up and ODU, while successful in 1AA, is learning how 1A will be. F_Us need some serious work. Also, it will take a a few years to really see how CUSA overall and CUSA E evolves. I mean, could Charlotte and ODU really get it together and be real players in D1? Sure, I could see it happening.

Can't stand by and read this delusional arrogance. Marshall took no hit when ECU left (except for shorter travel on Game Day). Likewise, you lost Memphis Basketball. As far as MT and WKU not being "bad" additions, the truth is (with the exception of football fan support at ECU and the success of Memphis BB ) there is virtually nothing athletically that places ECU or Memphis, or Marshall for that matter above Middle or Western in any sport! Get over your self! Middle and Western will become the greatest rivalry in CUSA history.

(05-18-2015 01:21 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 05:12 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 04:01 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 03:54 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  So many schools ended up moving, the de facto end result was USM, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, and UAB were kicked out and replaced with UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, Temple, and USF. The names just hide that reality a bit. The current American is more CUSA than it is Big East, and the current CUSA is more Sun Belt/WAC/CAA than it is CUSA.

Should motivate Marshall, Rice, UTEP, and Southern Miss to show the AAC they made bad selections, like when TCU, SMU, Rice, Tulsa and Fresno State were left out of the original MWC.

It should motivate Rice to do what it takes and get back with its former group asap.

Forget it.

Have you spoken with the Rice admin? CUSA is not a long term option for Rice (THEIR words); it may have taken being left in CUSA, but the school is finally taking realignment seriously.

(05-17-2015 07:49 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 04:01 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  In their Order of Importance to me (clearly not objective):

1. Adding Middle Tennessee
2. Adding the new Bowl Games
3. Retaining Rice & Marshall
4.. Adding Western Kentucky
5. Adding UTEP & North Texas
6. Adding La Tech
7. Adding Old Dominion
8. Adding the Fla. twins
9. Adding Charlotte
10.Adding UTSA

Not hard to retain someone that had no where else to go anyway. Nice we're appreciated in the conference, but the day he decided to keep Marshall in the fold was a day he really didn't have much to do.

I was going to say something similar here. Rice and Marshall clearly didn't have any other offers to move to the AAC. It's not like those programs were offered and Banowsky swept in to keep them in CUSA.

I just don't feel that it's on the commissioners if a program leaves for a higher payout or an increase in perception. I think adding programs can be on a commissioner (i.e. markets, growth potential, quality of athletic programs, etc.), though.

(05-18-2015 10:39 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 06:40 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 06:32 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  ^^^ Thats what I was saying earlier.

At least So Miss was able to slide over to the West and still be in a division with teams that have name recognition.

Not trying to be a douche to our current division mates, but I think Marshall got hit pretty hard the last round of realignment.

Yeah, the East tanked. I meant MTSU and WKU aren't "bad" additions overall but the fact that Charlotte is a complete start up and ODU, while successful in 1AA, is learning how 1A will be. F_Us need some serious work. Also, it will take a a few years to really see how CUSA overall and CUSA E evolves. I mean, could Charlotte and ODU really get it together and be real players in D1? Sure, I could see it happening.

Can't stand by and read this delusional arrogance. Marshall took no hit when ECU left (except for shorter travel on Game Day). Likewise, you lost Memphis Basketball. As far as MT and WKU not being "bad" additions, the truth is (with the exception of football fan support at ECU and the success of Memphis BB ) there is virtually nothing athletically that places ECU or Memphis, or Marshall for that matter above Middle or Western in any sport! Get over your self! Middle and Western will become the greatest rivalry in CUSA history.

We were in a division with ECU, Memphis, UCF, and So Miss.

We are now in a division with WKU, MTSU, Charlotte, Old Dominion and the F_U twins.

You can keep living in fantasy land all you want, but the truth is, YES we did take a hit with realignment.

Nothing that WKU, MTSU, Charlotte, or F_U even compares to that of ECU, So Miss, UCF, and Memphis.

Fan support, name recognition/brand, history/success at the FBS level...... Get serious, it isn't even close.

(05-18-2015 12:12 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 10:39 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 06:40 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 06:32 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  ^^^ Thats what I was saying earlier.

At least So Miss was able to slide over to the West and still be in a division with teams that have name recognition.

Not trying to be a douche to our current division mates, but I think Marshall got hit pretty hard the last round of realignment.

Yeah, the East tanked. I meant MTSU and WKU aren't "bad" additions overall but the fact that Charlotte is a complete start up and ODU, while successful in 1AA, is learning how 1A will be. F_Us need some serious work. Also, it will take a a few years to really see how CUSA overall and CUSA E evolves. I mean, could Charlotte and ODU really get it together and be real players in D1? Sure, I could see it happening.

Can't stand by and read this delusional arrogance. Marshall took no hit when ECU left (except for shorter travel on Game Day). Likewise, you lost Memphis Basketball. As far as MT and WKU not being "bad" additions, the truth is (with the exception of football fan support at ECU and the success of Memphis BB ) there is virtually nothing athletically that places ECU or Memphis, or Marshall for that matter above Middle or Western in any sport! Get over your self! Middle and Western will become the greatest rivalry in CUSA history.

We were in a division with ECU, Memphis, UCF, and So Miss.

We are now in a division with WKU, MTSU, Charlotte, Old Dominion and the F_U twins.

You can keep living in fantasy land all you want, but the truth is, YES we did take a hit with realignment.

Nothing that WKU, MTSU, Charlotte, or F_U even compares to that of ECU, So Miss, UCF, and Memphis.

Fan support, name recognition/brand, history/success at the FBS level...... Get serious, it isn't even close.

While I agree that it's fairly obvious the East took a step down in overall football program quality, I don't think it's fair to lump pre-realignment Memphis into an argument for that side of the debate. Memphis was abysmal during CUSA 2.0.

That division wasn't exactly a thing of beauty. 2 bowl eligible teams v. 5.....

2012 Eastern Division: 30-45 0.400
UCF 10 – 4
ECU 8 – 5
Mars 5 – 7
Mem 4 – 8
UAB 3 – 9
USM 0 – 12

2014 Eastern Division: 46-41 0.529
Mars 13 – 1
WKU 8 - 5
MT 6 – 6
UAB 6 – 6
ODU 6 – 6
FIU 4 – 8
FAU 3 - 9

(05-18-2015 10:46 AM)WIowl Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 01:21 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 05:12 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 04:01 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 03:54 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  So many schools ended up moving, the de facto end result was USM, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, and UAB were kicked out and replaced with UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, Temple, and USF. The names just hide that reality a bit. The current American is more CUSA than it is Big East, and the current CUSA is more Sun Belt/WAC/CAA than it is CUSA.

Should motivate Marshall, Rice, UTEP, and Southern Miss to show the AAC they made bad selections, like when TCU, SMU, Rice, Tulsa and Fresno State were left out of the original MWC.

It should motivate Rice to do what it takes and get back with its former group asap.

Forget it.

Have you spoken with the Rice admin? CUSA is not a long term option for Rice (THEIR words); it may have taken being left in CUSA, but the school is finally taking realignment seriously.

That's what I'd expect them to say.

You can talk wins and losses from particular years all you want. At the end of the day you would also rather be in a division with ECU, So Miss, Memphis, and UCF.

I have nothing against our current division mates, but don't try to twist things.

Marshall and Old Dominion are the only 2 in our division that now average over 20k/game.

NO COMPARISON!

(05-17-2015 08:24 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Louisville, TCU, Memphis, UCF, ECU, USF, Cincy, Tulane (?!?), Tulsa, and doing what 50 years of going toe to toe with the SEC could not: finally killing off Southern Miss.

So, how do you propose he keep teams committed to leaving, creating a hostage situation, maybe?

(05-18-2015 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 08:24 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Louisville, TCU, Memphis, UCF, ECU, USF, Cincy, Tulane (?!?), Tulsa, and doing what 50 years of going toe to toe with the SEC could not: finally killing off Southern Miss.

So, how do you propose he keep teams committed to leaving, creating a hostage situation, maybe?

Here is the thing about realignment.

It is basically racing on treadmills.

AAC has four schools who got there from the Missouri Valley via CUSA, three came through the MAC, 9 of 12 from CUSA. Basically AAC ends up being a very expensive way to have CUSA minus a few schools plus a few.

MWC all 12 were in the WAC, seven came via the Big West, 3 came out of the Mt States league (Skyline), two from the Border Conference, two from the Big Sky. MWC is just a convoluted WAC.

This is true only for so long as people remember where these schools came from. In this day and age that will be ancient, forgotten history in short order.

(05-17-2015 03:54 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 02:48 PM)EastCarolinaU. Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 02:35 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  Well, our former mates still got what they wanted insofar as not having to play in Hattiesburg or Huntington again.

ECU signed a home and home with Marshal shortly after leaving CUSA . . .

I didn't mean that quite so literally, but ECU's and Marshall's relationship is a bit of a different animal anyway. I guarantee you USM won't see UCF or many others again unless it's in a bowl game.

I don't think UCF is avoiding anyone, we're just not going out of our way to get you on the schedule. The only OOC G5 teams we've got coming up are FAU and FIU, which make great trips for fans & recruits. If we end up playing a CUSA team in a bowl I think many would be happy with a familiar name like Southern Miss or Marshall.

You can't blame Banowski for the defections. There was nothing he could do to stop it from happening. Imagine you're UCF's AD deciding if you should accept the invite

>Best case if you accept: BE survives as a BCS league
>Best case if you decline: BE collapses, CUSA absorbs the leftovers
>Worst case if you accept: the AAC
>Worst case if you decline: BE invites someone else, survives as a BCS league, you just made the worst decision in program history and cost the school millions

So how is Banowski supposed to get UCF to decline the invite? For UCF, forcing South Florida back onto the schedule is worth more than the money anyway.

Hiring strippers for the spring meetings.............. Oh wait, that wasn't supposed to be public. Never mind. Nothing to see here. ;-)

(05-18-2015 09:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  As for Benson. He lost 17 members in 18 years at the WAC.
Bankowsky has lost 14 in 13 years. There is still time left.

On the other hand Benson lost 17/17 to Non BCS leagues; Banowsky lost only 4 to Non BCS leagues (TCU, Tulane, ECU and Tulsa).

On the other, other hand, Benson tried to keep teams from leaving going after teams in what at least were perceived to be better leagues (He tried to lure Houston and Tulane into the WAC before C-USA could take SMU and Rice) and, as sunbelt commish, he tried to poach ECU (playing on Holland's regional league preferences) and USM from C-USA.
Banowsky patted all departees on the back as they left. Banowsky certainly in tune with political realities and opportunities to enhance his job security by bringing in new teams. Banowsky is one politically astute commish.

(05-17-2015 05:12 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 04:01 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(05-17-2015 03:54 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  So many schools ended up moving, the de facto end result was USM, Marshall, Rice, UTEP, and UAB were kicked out and replaced with UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, Temple, and USF. The names just hide that reality a bit. The current American is more CUSA than it is Big East, and the current CUSA is more Sun Belt/WAC/CAA than it is CUSA.

Should motivate Marshall, Rice, UTEP, and Southern Miss to show the AAC they made bad selections, like when TCU, SMU, Rice, Tulsa and Fresno State were left out of the original MWC.

It should motivate Rice to do what it takes and get pack with its former group asap.

You can say that again…




Oh. You did.

(05-18-2015 05:38 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 09:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  As for Benson. He lost 17 members in 18 years at the WAC.
Bankowsky has lost 14 in 13 years. There is still time left.

On the other hand Benson lost 17/17 to Non BCS leagues; Banowsky lost only 4 to Non BCS leagues (TCU, Tulane, ECU and Tulsa).

On the other, other hand, Benson tried to keep teams from leaving going after teams in what at least were perceived to be better leagues (He tried to lure Houston and Tulane into the WAC before C-USA could take SMU and Rice) and, as sunbelt commish, he tried to poach ECU (playing on Holland's regional league preferences) and USM from C-USA.
Banowsky patted all departees on the back as they left. Banowsky certainly in tune with political realities and opportunities to enhance his job security by bringing in new teams. Banowsky is one politically astute commish.

For a while there, Benson seemed pretty hung up on trying to reverse the pecking order. It blew up in his face in the WAC. He tried to burglarize the MWC's house, and the MWC wrestled his gun away and whooped his a** with it. Only a idiot picks a fight with someone bigger than they are.

I just wonder if ECU, UCF, Tulane, SMU, Houston, Memphis, and Tulsa would have made the move if they knew the Big East was going to become what it did?? P5 to G5.

Yes

I honestly have no idea why they went and added Houston, SMU, and Tulane.

Well, we all know why they invited SMU....Houston needed a travel partner, thats the only reason they got in.