Apparently it was discussed in Phoenix. Wonder who doesn't want it. Personally, I waffle on the subject.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sport.../27464523/

(05-18-2015 11:28 AM)CatMom Wrote:  Apparently it was discussed in Phoenix. Wonder who doesn't want it. Personally, I waffle on the subject.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sport.../27464523/

I personally like the idea of a CG . . . I know not everyone's crazy about it . . .

Ours is a conference with perception issues . . . A CG game gives the conference some additional media exposure that it otherwise would not receive . . . . No such thing as bad publicity . . . .

I just don't see how there is going to be any money made off of a championship game.


I'm not a Troy fan because of wins and losses.

Hypothetical:

Georgia Southern was previously transitioned to FBS before last season. With their 8-0 conference record and their upsets over Georgia Tech and NC State they were the top rated G5 school and would be in the access bowl. They removed an asterisk from their schedule by playing Louisiana Lafayette in the SBC Championship and lost. That would have costed our conference a ton of money.

But how often would we have the top G5? Not enough for it to matter. I just would hate the rematches it would give us.

(05-18-2015 11:28 AM)CatMom Wrote:  Apparently it was discussed in Phoenix. Wonder who doesn't want it. Personally, I waffle on the subject.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sport.../27464523/

Houston 2011

(05-18-2015 01:33 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 11:28 AM)CatMom Wrote:  Apparently it was discussed in Phoenix. Wonder who doesn't want it. Personally, I waffle on the subject.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sport.../27464523/

Houston 2011

Yeah, that set them up perfectly for overlooking us in 2012. This time around it won't be as easy. 1/3 of their coaching staff were at TXST in the past decade. 2 of them in the not so distant past (like, this past year for Washington)

Point is USM and the CCG ended CUSA's chances at a BCS Bowl

(05-18-2015 01:48 PM)panama Wrote:  Point is USM and the CCG ended CUSA's chances at a BCS Bowl

I remember that, wasn't it Houston that lost?

(05-18-2015 01:48 PM)panama Wrote:  Point is USM and the CCG ended CUSA's chances at a BCS Bowl

Disagree. Houston blew their opp.

I would like to have a CCG, but I don't think it is needed, yet. Maybe in another 5 years or so, if we keep the same line up we have now. Give all of our programs more time to grow and develop. We need to have multiple teams with a great deal of success to make a CCG news worthy and beneficial. I see no benefit in what could be a great ULL team beating a mediocre USA team in a CCG. No lift in appeal for that team that won.

(05-18-2015 01:57 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 01:48 PM)panama Wrote:  Point is USM and the CCG ended CUSA's chances at a BCS Bowl

Disagree. Houston blew their opp.

There is nothing to agree or disagree upon. If CUSA did not have a CCG then Houston plays in a BCS bowl.

Fin

(05-18-2015 01:49 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 01:48 PM)panama Wrote:  Point is USM and the CCG ended CUSA's chances at a BCS Bowl

I remember that, wasn't it Houston that lost?

Yep. If they don't play that game they finish at least #8 and are in a BCS Bowl.

(05-18-2015 12:31 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Hypothetical:

Georgia Southern was previously transitioned to FBS before last season. With their 8-0 conference record and their upsets over Georgia Tech and NC State they were the top rated G5 school and would be in the access bowl. They removed an asterisk from their schedule by playing Louisiana Lafayette in the SBC Championship and lost. That would have costed our conference a ton of money.

But how often would we have the top G5? Not enough for it to matter. I just would hate the rematches it would give us.

Hypothetical:

1. If Georgia Southern Couldn't beat the cajuns then they wouldnt have deserved the access bowl.
2. If both were undefeated or ranked nearly the same, either could have been spring boarded into the Access bowl.
3. Another program winning their CCG when we don't have one, could leap frog them over BOTH of our highest ranked teams, Conference Champion or Co-Champions and into the access bowl (like what happend to the big 12 in the playoff).

4. Gotta be some TV money in such a game and publicity/exposure is good.
5. One program EARNS an extra home game! There is $ and motivation in that!

Way more pros than cons to have a CCG imop

(05-18-2015 01:46 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Yeah, that set them up perfectly for overlooking us in 2012. This time around it won't be as easy. 1/3 of their coaching staff were at TXST in the past decade. 2 of them in the not so distant past (like, this past year for Washington)

Sounds like our game with you. Half of your coaching staff had been on a staff with Coach Fritz in the last 10 years.

(05-18-2015 02:02 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 01:57 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 01:48 PM)panama Wrote:  Point is USM and the CCG ended CUSA's chances at a BCS Bowl

Disagree. Houston blew their opp.

There is nothing to agree or disagree upon. If CUSA did not have a CCG then Houston plays in a BCS bowl.

Fin

So they simply lost one game sooner.

Another scenario. GS is eligible and runs the conference again. This time they beat a P5 team and have a similar record to ECU. ECU plays a CCG and wins, GS doesn't play in one. ECU gets auto bid over GS because of extra game.

(05-18-2015 02:22 PM)slycat Wrote:  Another scenario. GS is eligible and runs the conference again. This time they beat a P5 team and have a similar record to ECU. ECU plays a CCG and wins, GS doesn't play in one. ECU gets auto bid over GS because of extra game.

This. I'd rather have my team get a chance to prove themselves in a CCG, then sit at home and hope another team doesn't leapfrog us. Also, no more co-champs or *. I'd say let the host school (higher ranked/better record/whatever) keep ticket sales (except those sold through visiting teams department) and the conference keeps any TV/sponsorship revenue.

(05-18-2015 02:19 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 12:31 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Hypothetical:

Georgia Southern was previously transitioned to FBS before last season. With their 8-0 conference record and their upsets over Georgia Tech and NC State they were the top rated G5 school and would be in the access bowl. They removed an asterisk from their schedule by playing Louisiana Lafayette in the SBC Championship and lost. That would have costed our conference a ton of money.

But how often would we have the top G5? Not enough for it to matter. I just would hate the rematches it would give us.

Hypothetical:

1. If Georgia Southern Couldn't beat the cajuns then they wouldnt have deserved the access bowl.
2. If both were undefeated or ranked nearly the same, either could have been spring boarded into the Access bowl.
3. Another program winning their CCG when we don't have one, could leap frog them over BOTH of our highest ranked teams, Conference Champion or Co-Champions and into the access bowl (like what happend to the big 12 in the playoff).

4. Gotta be some TV money in such a game and publicity/exposure is good.
5. One program EARNS an extra home game! There is $ and motivation in that!

Way more pros than cons to have a CCG imop

There are WAY MORE PROS based on what?

Updating the numbers to reflect last year's 3-0 run by the higher rated team in the G5, the top team going into a conference title game in the G5 wins 58.8% of the time.

That means 41% of the time you will knock out your best team, and until this year, it was 50% of the time.

Sure there is a chance the two division winners could come in hot and the title game vault the winner forward.

Last year's CUSA title game pitted a one loss vs a four loss, MAC pitted two loss vs. five loss, MWC matched 2 loss vs six loss.

It is just as likely playing the title game and winning gives you a win that does nothing to impress the committee.

A title game even on campus sites isn't really another home game. The league will give the host some money for gameday expenses but those not cheap tickets sold are going into the league treasury to be divided by the membership or to fund league projects. Basically the league milks one fan base to help pay for conference operations. The is no financial incentive for the school to push the game when the school isn't profiting. Yeah they want a crowd to help get a win but their fans are being shaved for it.

Historically bowls have not been fond of title game losers and more importantly we tend to play our bowl games the third Saturday in December. That means fans are asked to pay a premium for a ticket for a game scheduled last minute on the first Saturday in December (or that Friday or Thursday) and then asked to turn around and buy a premium priced ticket for a game two weeks later. It means if a title game participant goes to Montgomery or New Orleans they have 13 days to sell tickets.

I'm fine with having a title game if we are at 12 but it ain't no cure for cancer, it isn't even guaranteed to be a good thing.

When our first Top 25 team gets bumped off an access bowl slot we'll regret doing it.

When our undefeated misses out on an Access Bowl slot to a 1-loss we'll regret not doing it.

Pick your poison.

It will also likely generate rematches that aren't that appealing more often than not.

If we do a CCG, we need to revolutionize the way it is done. We don't need divisions, and the two best teams in conference need to go. Even if both teams are from GA, AL or LA, if that is the two best teams, let them play. That way we get the best chance of a late season push for the access game.