Double standard in the way the Boston U professor was treated versus the way the Duke U professor was treated?

(05-19-2015 12:20 AM)TStatebobcat Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 01:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 08:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 06:46 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2...trage.html

Some of his comments probably ring true, but many are wrong and just highly inappropriate for him to post in a public forum. The professor insists he isn't racist or wrong.

He says at the end of his comments...

I am a professor at Duke University. Every Asian student has a very simple old American first name that symbolizes their desire for integration. Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration. The amount of Asian-white dating is enormous and so surely will be the intermarriage. Black-white dating is almost non-existent because of the ostracism by blacks of anyone who dates a white.

It was appropriate that a Chinese design won the competition for the Martin Luther King state. King helped them overcome. The blacks followed Malcolm X.

His name comments are a bit of an exaggeration. I also disagree on his dating comment (on both grounds really - I don't see the amount of Asian-white dating as being 'enormous').

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the Asian's have simple American sounding first names because no one would be able to pronounce their given name. Not sure it has anything to do with race or integration, etc. They just get tired of telling people how to pronounce thier given names, etc.

Exactly. Which is why this man's comments are so racist.

Honestly, the fact that he is being called racist is a major problem with American race relations today. He is calling it as he sees it, is he right or is he wrong? I don't know, I can't speak one way or the other. However being labeled racist every time you talk about Black America in an unflattering way leads away from honest conversation and toward greater separation.

It think it's correct to call him racist, but I do agree that the problem with doing so is the fervor it can cause. Some racist comments are of ignorance, which I think applies here, and are far different than racist comments stemming from hatred or disgust. Unfortunately, we have become a pitchfork society (on both sides), and the news feeds it to us.

(05-19-2015 12:20 AM)TStatebobcat Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 01:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 08:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 06:46 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2...trage.html

Some of his comments probably ring true, but many are wrong and just highly inappropriate for him to post in a public forum. The professor insists he isn't racist or wrong.

He says at the end of his comments...

I am a professor at Duke University. Every Asian student has a very simple old American first name that symbolizes their desire for integration. Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration. The amount of Asian-white dating is enormous and so surely will be the intermarriage. Black-white dating is almost non-existent because of the ostracism by blacks of anyone who dates a white.

It was appropriate that a Chinese design won the competition for the Martin Luther King state. King helped them overcome. The blacks followed Malcolm X.

His name comments are a bit of an exaggeration. I also disagree on his dating comment (on both grounds really - I don't see the amount of Asian-white dating as being 'enormous').

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the Asian's have simple American sounding first names because no one would be able to pronounce their given name. Not sure it has anything to do with race or integration, etc. They just get tired of telling people how to pronounce thier given names, etc.

Exactly. Which is why this man's comments are so racist.

Honestly, the fact that he is being called racist is a major problem with American race relations today. He is calling it as he sees it, is he right or is he wrong? I don't know, I can't speak one way or the other. However being labeled racist every time you talk about Black America in an unflattering way leads away from honest conversation and toward greater separation.

Just to be clear. I never called him a racist.

Racially or culturally insensitive would probably be more accurate.

(05-18-2015 11:14 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 08:55 PM)blah Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 05:29 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 02:18 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-18-2015 02:08 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Is picking names which people are familiar with *not* a part of assimilation? My wife is Asian, born in Korea, and has Korean name. Her brother was born here and has an American name. Her parents have legal American names and all her cousins born here have legal American names.

That's part of the assimilation process. Like when many of the Irish dropped "O" from their name. Or when Steinberg became Stein.

Some would call it white washing. And to even hint that this is how all minorities should act is racist on the professors part.

Not only that, but the professor didn't even compare apples to apples. A group of people in a concentration camp for several years is substantially different than a group of people being in slavery for several hundred year and then in a segregated society for 100 more years. So that is an intellectually dishonest vantage point to begin with, before the concentration camp the Asians would have already been ahead of the African Americans; and there was not way that could be changed in less than 46 years since the inception of the Civil Rights Act.

Since most Asians voluntarily immigrated to America instead of being forced to immigrate like most African Americans; then his position is already flawed. Why not compare Africans that immigrated voluntarily to the USA to the Asians that voluntarily immigrated to the USA; rather than Africans who were forced immigrants. Because as quiet as it is kept Africans immigrants, especially Nigerians, collect more degrees than all other immigrant groups. That is a more apples to apples comparison.

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/03...e-u-s.html

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-...al-couples

On your first point, I think it is time to retire the "Oh woe is me" chant of the African American. Things have never been more equal in this country.

On your second point, I agree that immigrant Africans seem to thrive and embrace the American dream. Why do you think that is when their struggle, just to get here, is most times nearly impossible?

I have worked with people from Ethiopia, Nigeria, Botswana, Somalia, Egypt and even one of the lost boys of Sudan. They were all extremely hard workers and were consistently looking to move up in the company, but were not afraid to start at the bottom.

There is nothing woe is me about it; no other group has been brought shackled to this country and been treated as chattel for over 300 years; and even after their bondage ended they were still excluded from participating in the society as human beings for another 100 years. It has only been 47 years since African Americans have actually been allowed to participate in this society as a whole which is not even 2 generations. So they have closed a lot of ground in that time, but they still have a ways to go.

All immigrants that come to the USA work harder than Americans. That is the answer.

I hate to break it to you, but your statement is the definition of "Woe is me".....

You can either keep living in the past or move on. I choose to move on. All that is left now is excuses.

"We want to have a dialogue about race in this country"

"But you can't say that"

(05-19-2015 06:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Racially or culturally insensitive would probably be more accurate.

Are you describing the Spin Room?

(05-19-2015 07:34 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 06:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Racially or culturally insensitive would probably be more accurate.

Are you describing the Spin Room?

No, just describing more PC nonsense.

(05-19-2015 08:21 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Double standard in the way the Boston U professor was treated versus the way the Duke U professor was treated?

The vile piece of dung also attacked a white rape victim by trolling her on a board. But she's still starting at Boston U on July 1.

(05-20-2015 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 08:21 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Double standard in the way the Boston U professor was treated versus the way the Duke U professor was treated?

The vile piece of dung also attacked a white rape victim by trolling her on a board. But she's still starting at Boston U on July 1.

Yes, double standard indeed.

(05-20-2015 08:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 08:21 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Double standard in the way the Boston U professor was treated versus the way the Duke U professor was treated?

The vile piece of dung also attacked a white rape victim by trolling her on a board. But she's still starting at Boston U on July 1.

Yes, double standard indeed.

Not a double standard but a different university.

(05-20-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 08:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 08:21 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Double standard in the way the Boston U professor was treated versus the way the Duke U professor was treated?

The vile piece of dung also attacked a white rape victim by trolling her on a board. But she's still starting at Boston U on July 1.

Yes, double standard indeed.

Not a double standard but a different university.

No, obvioulsy a double standard based on race. But that's to be expected these days.

(05-20-2015 12:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 08:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-19-2015 08:21 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Double standard in the way the Boston U professor was treated versus the way the Duke U professor was treated?

The vile piece of dung also attacked a white rape victim by trolling her on a board. But she's still starting at Boston U on July 1.

Yes, double standard indeed.

Not a double standard but a different university.

No, obvioulsy a double standard based on race. But that's to be expected these days.

Exactly. One does not opression another race for 300 years and expect not to suffer consequences.

(05-20-2015 01:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 08:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The vile piece of dung also attacked a white rape victim by trolling her on a board. But she's still starting at Boston U on July 1.

Yes, double standard indeed.

Not a double standard but a different university.

No, obvioulsy a double standard based on race. But that's to be expected these days.

Exactly. One does not opression another race for 300 years and expect not to suffer consequences.

Well, about time you admit it isn't for social justice but just revenge. So, basically, you are OK with the hypocrisy of it all. You know, people complaining (rightly so) about past sins duely committing those same sins on others today.

(05-20-2015 01:04 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 01:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 08:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Yes, double standard indeed.

Not a double standard but a different university.

No, obvioulsy a double standard based on race. But that's to be expected these days.

Exactly. One does not opression another race for 300 years and expect not to suffer consequences.

Well, about time you admit it isn't for social justice but just revenge. So, basically, you are OK with the hypocrisy of it all. You know, people complaining (rightly so) about past sins duely committing those same sins on others today.

I personally am for social justice. I"m just old and cynical enough however to understand that many are simply in it for revenge.

(05-20-2015 01:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 01:04 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 01:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not a double standard but a different university.

No, obvioulsy a double standard based on race. But that's to be expected these days.

Exactly. One does not opression another race for 300 years and expect not to suffer consequences.

Well, about time you admit it isn't for social justice but just revenge. So, basically, you are OK with the hypocrisy of it all. You know, people complaining (rightly so) about past sins duely committing those same sins on others today.

I personally am for social justice. I"m just old and cynical enough however to understand that many are simply in it for revenge.

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves. "
---Confucius

You got that right. The only solution is to love your neighbor. Unfortunately many on both sides just dont' want to give up the fight.

(05-20-2015 01:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 08:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 07:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The vile piece of dung also attacked a white rape victim by trolling her on a board. But she's still starting at Boston U on July 1.

Yes, double standard indeed.

Not a double standard but a different university.

No, obvioulsy a double standard based on race. But that's to be expected these days.

Exactly. One does not opression another race for 300 years and expect not to suffer consequences.

How many years until this nonsense can end? Is it 300 years so that it is even?

My guess is that it will never end because personal responsibility is so 100 years ago.

300 years of oppression equals at least 150 years of revenge.

(05-21-2015 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  300 years of oppression equals at least 150 years of revenge.

If one's a hypocrite, then yes.