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Personally I'd get rid of baseball
and put the money into women's softball. Much more fun to watch than baseball, for me. I grew up playing fast pitch softball (not women's).
Build a nice softball complex somewhere instead of baseball. Just a thought. We might be able to field a more competitive softball team than a baseball team. 04-cheers
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
The right coach can build a winner here. I still like what I see and hear about Curry. Just got to win some games where recruits don't think they're going to a program that CAN'T win
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And as far as softball, I've always contended that I'd drop soccer and pick up softball. To me soccer is more boring than women's basketball was when it was three on three.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
If you drop baseball, you would be in danger of being expelled from the conference for violating multiple SBC Bylaws...err Guidelines.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
(05-17-2015 03:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If you drop baseball, you would be in danger of being expelled from the conference for violating multiple SBC Bylaws...err Guidelines.

Aren't we already under the minimum required sports for the Belt. I'd drop baseball and add men's soccer. Move into the future instead of the past.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
Probably few colleges in America large or small that does not have Baseball. So it seems to me it would be hard to eliminate Baseball. I too once played played Fast Pitch Softball. A good team in Wyoming and a championship team in Puerto Rico. So, I would like very much for the Trojans to have Ladies Softball. I once suggested to the previous AD that he consider dropping Soccer and replace it with Softball. His reply was, UALR had to have Ladies Soccer.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
I wouldn't walk out in my front yard to watch ladies soccer, but I would probably come to see ladies softball. Much more interest game, IMO. But I'll leave those decisions to Chasse. He's doing just fine without my advice.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
(05-17-2015 06:27 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  I wouldn't walk out in my front yard to watch ladies soccer, but I would probably come to see ladies softball. Much more interest game, IMO. But I'll leave those decisions to Chasse. He's doing just fine without my advice.

I'm just the opposite. I wouldn't watch a soccer game if it was the last game on earth. Most boring **** I've ever seen. And baseball is not in the past. Baseball is the toughest game to play. Baseball is a game that a small guy can be good at more so than in football or basketball.

Not a lot of people can hit a 95-100 mph fast ball or a hard breaking curve ball. I read one time when Lance Alworth was trying to decide whether he'd play pro football or pro baseball. He said he chose football because he couldn't hit the curve ball well enough. It has separated the men from the boys in many cases.

Those that want soccer to be a major sport, go to a foreign country. I don't see it happening here.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
(05-17-2015 04:32 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(05-17-2015 03:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  If you drop baseball, you would be in danger of being expelled from the conference for violating multiple SBC Bylaws...err Guidelines.

Aren't we already under the minimum required sports for the Belt. I'd drop baseball and add men's soccer. Move into the future instead of the past.

Multiple issues:

There are certain SBC Sports you must sponsor. Baseball is in a category of sport that you must sponsor it, or another Men's sport. (I think football)

You are already currently below the required number of sports in the league anyway.

As anyone has seen from the UAB debacle...dropping a sport creates negative press and brings negative attention to your school. Especially in a Southern State

And that's not even mentioning any Title IX issues you have to work around.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
(05-17-2015 08:25 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(05-17-2015 06:27 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  I wouldn't walk out in my front yard to watch ladies soccer, but I would probably come to see ladies softball. Much more interest game, IMO. But I'll leave those decisions to Chasse. He's doing just fine without my advice.

I'm just the opposite. I wouldn't watch a soccer game if it was the last game on earth. Most boring **** I've ever seen. And baseball is not in the past. Baseball is the toughest game to play. Baseball is a game that a small guy can be good at more so than in football or basketball.

Not a lot of people can hit a 95-100 mph fast ball or a hard breaking curve ball. I read one time when Lance Alworth was trying to decide whether he'd play pro football or pro baseball. He said he chose football because he couldn't hit the curve ball well enough. It has separated the men from the boys in many cases.

Those that want soccer to be a major sport, go to a foreign country. I don't see it happening here.

You are about 5-10 years out from getting a very rude awakening if the current numbers are right. More parents are enrolling their kids in Soccer right now than Football.

That being said, you don't need to sponsor Men's Soccer either.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
ADs at our level have a difficult task balancing the mandated scholarship balance with the cost of the different sports. Not an easy job.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
(05-17-2015 09:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-17-2015 08:25 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  I'm just the opposite. I wouldn't watch a soccer game if it was the last game on earth. Most boring **** I've ever seen. And baseball is not in the past. Baseball is the toughest game to play. Baseball is a game that a small guy can be good at more so than in football or basketball.

Not a lot of people can hit a 95-100 mph fast ball or a hard breaking curve ball. I read one time when Lance Alworth was trying to decide whether he'd play pro football or pro baseball. He said he chose football because he couldn't hit the curve ball well enough. It has separated the men from the boys in many cases.

Those that want soccer to be a major sport, go to a foreign country. I don't see it happening here.

You are about 5-10 years out from getting a very rude awakening if the current numbers are right. More parents are enrolling their kids in Soccer right now than Football.

That being said, you don't need to sponsor Men's Soccer either.

I don't doubt that the number will fall in football participation in the future if for no other reason, the concern about head injuries. I spent 33 years in the public school business, and I started in 1965 and I've seen the number fall in the last fifty years because some middle school and high school kids are too lazy to play, and they have to get out of the air conditioned house to play football, and so many kids would rather work today so they can afford a car.

Many retired football players are even saying that they wouldn't let their own sons to play football today. I still don't see soccer as a major sport in this country anytime in the future. Some fans don't care how dangerous the game is, especially when they aren't playing it themselves, and they'll continue to watch football, and it'll continue its popularity. I guess that's why some people in Mexico and Spain continue to watch bull fighting even when the matador gets gored, or the bull is put to the sword.
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(05-17-2015 09:03 PM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  ADs at our level have a difficult task balancing the mandated scholarship balance with the cost of the different sports. Not an easy job.

Correct. At the UCA game some of us were discussing how many baseball scholarships are given. We were told eleven. It amazing how they can divide those scholarships the way they do. UCA had about 44 on the roster and the Trojans thirty some odd. I know many are walk-ons, but how the use the allotted scholarships is amazing. I know baseball doesn't pull as many fans as basketball, but they give thirteen scholarships, and they only have about thirteen players. Baseball may suit up as many as 40 something, with only eleven scholarships. Baseball coach has to be somewhat of a magician.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
(05-17-2015 08:25 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(05-17-2015 06:27 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  I wouldn't walk out in my front yard to watch ladies soccer, but I would probably come to see ladies softball. Much more interest game, IMO. But I'll leave those decisions to Chasse. He's doing just fine without my advice.

I'm just the opposite. I wouldn't watch a soccer game if it was the last game on earth. Most boring **** I've ever seen. And baseball is not in the past. Baseball is the toughest game to play. Baseball is a game that a small guy can be good at more so than in football or basketball.

Not a lot of people can hit a 95-100 mph fast ball or a hard breaking curve ball. I read one time when Lance Alworth was trying to decide whether he'd play pro football or pro baseball. He said he chose football because he couldn't hit the curve ball well enough. It has separated the men from the boys in many cases.

Those that want soccer to be a major sport, go to a foreign country. I don't see it happening here.

Average attendance for the 20 Major League Soccer teams so far this year is a tad under 21,000 with most now playing in soccer specific stadiums that seat about 25,000. So they are already averaging more than the NBA and NHL (although I realize the arenas are smaller in those leagues). I'd like to see a poll of other millennials, but I know my kids (25 and 29) and their friends have zero interest in baseball, but watch international soccer regularly. Baseball seems to have become a niche sport- maybe it's living in Arkansas, but I can't recall the last time a conversation about baseball came up at any social gathering I've been at- and I socialize with folks who grew up with baseball as the National Pastime. Not doubt soccer will pass baseball in popularity in this country in the next 20 years.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
Recent study supports my contention, although it looks at adolescents rather than 20 year olds-

Baseball was once called America’s pastime, but times have changed and the numbers are in. In a recent study, the 2013 Luker on Trends shows that the MLS, thats right Major League Soccer, has equal popularity as the MLB among adolescents.

Both leagues scored at 18 percent among the 12-17 year old demographic and marks the first time the MLS has come equal with the MLB. This means two things to the future of sports. For soccer it is an incredible step in the right direction. Once the outcast among American sports, the MLS has risen to become a top professional league that has not only tied with the MLB, but has more than doubled the NHL’s number of 9 percent. This spark in avid fans comes at an amazing time for soccer due to the upcoming World Cup that the United States hopes to be competitive in. The World Cup can only improve these ratings in soccers favor.

For baseball and the MLB however, it paints a much darker picture. The once proud conglomerate that is Major League Baseball has fallen below, not only the NBA and NFL, but their college counterparts in the NCAA. The MLB has had it’s issues with adjusting with the times, but this a new low for a sport looking to find its footing in the 21st century. The struggle to adopt instant replay and the steroid era have done their damage and now is the time to see if baseball can recover. This coming season is a benchmark year in the sense that instant replay is now in the sport and it’s a matter of time before we see if it takes.

The numbers are in and depending on your fandom, it’s good and bad. In a perfect world all the sports would be represented equally, but this isn’t a fairytale. By no means does this mean baseball is hurting and on the verge of folding, but the numbers can’t be encouraging if you are in the MLB office today. The time is now for the MLB to pull out all the stops as an attempt to save it’s sport to the younger audience.

No surprise the NFL topped the list at 39 percent followed by the NBA (30 percent), college football (27 percent) and college basketball (24 percent).
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(05-17-2015 09:50 PM)mjs Wrote:  Average attendance for the 20 Major League Soccer teams so far this year is a tad under 21,000 with most now playing in soccer specific stadiums that seat about 25,000. So they are already averaging more than the NBA and NHL (although I realize the arenas are smaller in those leagues). I'd like to see a poll of other millennials, but I know my kids (25 and 29) and their friends have zero interest in baseball, but watch international soccer regularly. Baseball seems to have become a niche sport- maybe it's living in Arkansas, but I can't recall the last time a conversation about baseball came up at any social gathering I've been at- and I socialize with folks who grew up with baseball as the National Pastime. Not doubt soccer will pass baseball in popularity in this country in the next 20 years.

You know, we're just the opposite. I've never been around any kids that show the slightest interest in soccer, but many of them play or played and watch baseball. I have NEVER been at ANY social gathering where soccer was mentioned. And, all this is God's truth. And I still don't believe that soccer will ever pass baseball in popularity in this country, unless they legalize all the illegals who enter the country. That's damn sure a possibility.
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RE: Personally I'd get rid of baseball
(05-17-2015 10:27 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(05-17-2015 09:50 PM)mjs Wrote:  Average attendance for the 20 Major League Soccer teams so far this year is a tad under 21,000 with most now playing in soccer specific stadiums that seat about 25,000. So they are already averaging more than the NBA and NHL (although I realize the arenas are smaller in those leagues). I'd like to see a poll of other millennials, but I know my kids (25 and 29) and their friends have zero interest in baseball, but watch international soccer regularly. Baseball seems to have become a niche sport- maybe it's living in Arkansas, but I can't recall the last time a conversation about baseball came up at any social gathering I've been at- and I socialize with folks who grew up with baseball as the National Pastime. Not doubt soccer will pass baseball in popularity in this country in the next 20 years.

You know, we're just the opposite. I've never been around any kids that show the slightest interest in soccer, but many of them play or played and watch baseball. I have NEVER been at ANY social gathering where soccer was mentioned. And, all this is God's truth. And I still don't believe that soccer will ever pass baseball in popularity in this country, unless they legalize all the illegals who enter the country. That's damn sure a possibility.

Not sure if you saw the study above. MLS is even with MLB among adolescents. Most of those have dads who likely tried to turn them on to baseball since that is what they grew up with. It is only a matter of time until soccer passes baseball in popularity. I realize we both may be gone when that happens, but it is clearly moving in that direction already. Personally, I find it very hard to sit through a baseball although I loved it as a kid. I got tickets to see the Red Sox at Fenway this summer. That's based on fond childhood memories and the desire to see a game at Fenway Park. Couldn't name a player on either the current Red Sox or the team they will be playing (Orioles). Still can probably name half he starters from the 1965 version of those teams.
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(05-17-2015 10:45 PM)mjs Wrote:  
(05-17-2015 10:27 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(05-17-2015 09:50 PM)mjs Wrote:  Average attendance for the 20 Major League Soccer teams so far this year is a tad under 21,000 with most now playing in soccer specific stadiums that seat about 25,000. So they are already averaging more than the NBA and NHL (although I realize the arenas are smaller in those leagues). I'd like to see a poll of other millennials, but I know my kids (25 and 29) and their friends have zero interest in baseball, but watch international soccer regularly. Baseball seems to have become a niche sport- maybe it's living in Arkansas, but I can't recall the last time a conversation about baseball came up at any social gathering I've been at- and I socialize with folks who grew up with baseball as the National Pastime. Not doubt soccer will pass baseball in popularity in this country in the next 20 years.

You know, we're just the opposite. I've never been around any kids that show the slightest interest in soccer, but many of them play or played and watch baseball. I have NEVER been at ANY social gathering where soccer was mentioned. And, all this is God's truth. And I still don't believe that soccer will ever pass baseball in popularity in this country, unless they legalize all the illegals who enter the country. That's damn sure a possibility.

Not sure if you saw the study above. MLS is even with MLB among adolescents. Most of those have dads who likely tried to turn them on to baseball since that is what they grew up with. It is only a matter of time until soccer passes baseball in popularity. I realize we both may be gone when that happens, but it is clearly moving in that direction already. Personally, I find it very hard to sit through a baseball although I loved it as a kid. I got tickets to see the Red Sox at Fenway this summer. That's based on fond childhood memories and the desire to see a game at Fenway Park. Couldn't name a player on either the current Red Sox or the team they will be playing (Orioles). Still can probably name half he starters from the 1965 version of those teams.

There is no way, as long as Little Rock has athletics, that baseball won't be sponsored. To suggest orherwise is to just indulge in nonsesnse!
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(05-17-2015 10:45 PM)mjs Wrote:  Not sure if you saw the study above. MLS is even with MLB among adolescents. Most of those have dads who likely tried to turn them on to baseball since that is what they grew up with. It is only a matter of time until soccer passes baseball in popularity. I realize we both may be gone when that happens, but it is clearly moving in that direction already. Personally, I find it very hard to sit through a baseball although I loved it as a kid. I got tickets to see the Red Sox at Fenway this summer. That's based on fond childhood memories and the desire to see a game at Fenway Park. Couldn't name a player on either the current Red Sox or the team they will be playing (Orioles). Still can probably name half he starters from the 1965 version of those teams.

Didn't see it, and wouldn't believe it if I did. Lots of studies not worth the paper or the money spent on them. Here's my take. Most kids that grow up with a father who likes baseball, and never play soccer will like baseball. The kids like yours will like soccer, because evidently you do, and by the way that you run down baseball. I'm no better because I do the same with soccer. And for you not being able to sit through a nine inning game, well I couldn't sit through a soccer game with nobody coming close to scoring. At least in baseball, in most nine inning games, there will some excellent pitching and some excellent defensive plays made to keep me interested even if there isn't a lot of scoring.

I also contend that a kid who sees a baseball player hitting a homerun, a football player scoring a touchdown, or a basketball player slam dunking the ball, will excite him more than kicking a ball into a net. Just my opinion on all this. I've been around a ton of kids in my 33 years in public education, and while I haven't I haven't read any of your studies, I've watched a bunch of kids, and we had more students attending high school baseball games that we ever did at soccer games. Soccer games usually only had parents and baseball had both. I realize that my personal study(observations)was only made at three high schools in the LR area, and certainly isn't scientific. But again, I'm prejudiced Mickey, like you.
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(05-17-2015 10:27 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  
(05-17-2015 09:50 PM)mjs Wrote:  Average attendance for the 20 Major League Soccer teams so far this year is a tad under 21,000 with most now playing in soccer specific stadiums that seat about 25,000. So they are already averaging more than the NBA and NHL (although I realize the arenas are smaller in those leagues). I'd like to see a poll of other millennials, but I know my kids (25 and 29) and their friends have zero interest in baseball, but watch international soccer regularly. Baseball seems to have become a niche sport- maybe it's living in Arkansas, but I can't recall the last time a conversation about baseball came up at any social gathering I've been at- and I socialize with folks who grew up with baseball as the National Pastime. Not doubt soccer will pass baseball in popularity in this country in the next 20 years.

You know, we're just the opposite. I've never been around any kids that show the slightest interest in soccer, but many of them play or played and watch baseball. I have NEVER been at ANY social gathering where soccer was mentioned. And, all this is God's truth. And I still don't believe that soccer will ever pass baseball in popularity in this country, unless they legalize all the illegals who enter the country. That's damn sure a possibility.

I prefer baseball over soccer, but we're going to be lapped by MLS if MLB doesn't fix things...fast. Baseball is seen as a game of cheaters right now, that is unwilling to adapt to technology.
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Personally I'd get rid of baseball
Baseball is a drinking night out for me. I played a couple of years and never really played it on the play station, which is where most people really get the hook set on a sport.

Ea sports does a great job and I would like to see which sport is the biggest seller in the U.S.

So, I love soccer but never played..... Other than ea and probably an hour of Fifa a day. I watch bpl and mls.

Soccer is really exciting if you watch it.

Baseball and the nba are products that I just don't watch. Lots of other do and most of our age would feel there verse of baseball vs soccer that I do.

Zero kids we go to school with play baseball that I know of several play soccer.


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