(05-16-2015 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  No chance that your version of the Big 12 would have an automatic bid to any playoffs. That's a G5 lineup there, not a Power conference lineup.

I agree.....but this was in reply to and based on the OP's plan for ten 8 team divisons in 5 conferences for a playoff..

I think it is better than what he proposed with Temple, Marshall, Southern Miss and Tulane

(05-16-2015 02:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  I would guess the SEC priority list would be:
1 Texas
2 Oklahoma
3 North Carolina
4 Virginia
5 North Carolina St.
6 Virginia Tech
7 Florida St.
8 Duke
9 Kansas
10W. Virginia
11 and below would be only filler if they needed an even number
11 Clemson
12 Miami
13 TCU
14 Georgia Tech
15 Tulane
16 Louisville

None of the below:
17 Everyone else

wow, thats actually a very good, realistic list. i might rank a couple of schools 1 or 2 spots higher or lower, but they are close to what I would rank them.

(05-16-2015 01:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 11:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The SEC might not be crazy on adding Houston, but it really fits geographically and would not be a bad addition. If Missouri left and the ACC stuck together, Houston would be their best choice.

Houston makes no sense at all and there are at least a dozen better candidates we'd go through first because the primary targets for any future hypothetical SEC expansion are large public Flagship/Land Grant schools in non-NFL towns/cities in states we don't have a presence in already.

And before you Coogs waste an hour typing "but...but...we have such potential if you'd only give us a chance!!" thats not how realignment works and you know it.

Heck, even a school with the tradition of Miami doesn't meet those requirements and would not be seriously considered ahead of many other candidates.

Hold the phone.....My suggestion was in reply to and based on the OP that proposed 5, 16 team conferences. So going along with his plan (WHICH I KNOW WILL NEVER HAPPEN) and making the best of it, who would the SEC add over Houston.

Now I think it is evident that OU and Texas are not going to the SEC. OU has already said no thanks and you of all people should know Texas will not join the SEC.

I said "If the ACC decided to stick together", which I think is likely, then Houston would be their best choice. I suppose one could argue Baylor or TCU, but to me Houston is a better fit for the SEC.

So based on the parameters by the OP amd my original post........... who would they get that is better than Houston.

(05-16-2015 11:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Some good thoughts but, recommend some changes.

Baylor does not fit in the Big10.....replcace them with Missouri. Leave Baylor in the Big12. Add Houston to the SEC to replace Missouri.

Temple, Marshall, So. Miss, and Tulane do not belong in Big12.

Instead add to the Big12 with Air Force, Army, Navy and BYU.
(BYU finally gets into the Big12).

The SEC might not be crazy on adding Houston, but it really fits geographically and would not be a bad addition. If Missouri left and the ACC stuck together, Houston would be their best choice.

If Marshall does not belong there, then what does that say about your team at SMU?

2014 Final Rankings

AP/USA Today

Marshall- 23/22

SMU- NR/NR

Source: http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings


Sagarin

Marshall- 23

SMU- 207

Source: http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm


Massey Ratings

Marshall- 21

SMU- 124 (Only ranked FBS teams)

Source: http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm



2014 Record:

Marshall- 13-1

SMU- 1-11




Average Attendance:

Marshall- 27,461

SMU- 21,528


Source: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf

There was a time when I supported the AQ for conference champions. A field of less than 32 (maybe 16?) or so just can not absorb that. There is no way a #2 ranked team should sit at home because a #18 (or lower) ranked team got lucky and won its conference.

I'm also opposed to any scenario that puts Miami in a "northern" division.

(05-16-2015 02:56 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 02:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  I would guess the SEC priority list would be:
1 Texas
2 Oklahoma
3 North Carolina
4 Virginia
5 North Carolina St.
6 Virginia Tech
7 Florida St.
8 Duke
9 Kansas
10W. Virginia
11 and below would be only filler if they needed an even number
11 Clemson
12 Miami
13 TCU
14 Georgia Tech
15 Tulane
16 Louisville

None of the below:
17 Everyone else

wow, thats actually a very good, realistic list. i might rank a couple of schools 1 or 2 spots higher or lower, but they are close to what I would rank them.

You have to think an Ohio school should be on that list somewhere as well since SEC does not have a team in that state.

(05-16-2015 03:47 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 11:05 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Some good thoughts but, recommend some changes.

Baylor does not fit in the Big10.....replcace them with Missouri. Leave Baylor in the Big12. Add Houston to the SEC to replace Missouri.

Temple, Marshall, So. Miss, and Tulane do not belong in Big12.

Instead add to the Big12 with Air Force, Army, Navy and BYU.
(BYU finally gets into the Big12).

The SEC might not be crazy on adding Houston, but it really fits geographically and would not be a bad addition. If Missouri left and the ACC stuck together, Houston would be their best choice.

If Marshall does not belong there, then what does that say about your team at SMU?

2014 Final Rankings

AP/USA Today

Marshall- 23/22

SMU- NR/NR

Source: http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings


Sagarin

Marshall- 23

SMU- 207

Source: http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm


Massey Ratings

Marshall- 21

SMU- 124 (Only ranked FBS teams)

Source: http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm



2014 Record:

Marshall- 13-1

SMU- 1-11




Average Attendance:

Marshall- 27,461

SMU- 21,528


Source: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf

Ask yourself, why did the AAC add SMU and not Marshall. There is your answer.

(05-16-2015 12:24 PM)goofus Wrote:  No way the Big 12 keeps all its contracts and autobids after losing 7 schools and replacing them with 13 G5 schools. There is no point in even calling it the Big 12 anymore because it is unrecognizable. much like the Big East transforming into the AAC.

for political reasons, no way Iowa State and Kansas State are left stranded in a G6 conference. You might as well have the BigTen take Iowa St, and Kan St, then dissolve the Big 12.

If the B12 collapses, how is another P5 conference going to be forced to take Iowa State? I can't see that happening.

Op seems to be more about design your own landscape ... so my counter proposal:

Atlantic Coast Conference:
- Florida State
- Miami
- Florida
- UCF

- South Carolina
- Clemson
- Georgia Tech
- Georgia

- North Carolina
- NC State
- Wake Forest
- Duke

- Tennessee
- Vanderbilt
- Virginia
- Virginia Tech



Southeastern Conference:
- Alabama
- Auburn
- Ole Miss
- Miss State

- LSU
- Arkansas
- Texas
- Texas A&M

- Baylor
- TCU
- Texas Tech
- Houston

- Oklahoma
- Oklahoma State
- Kansas
- Kansas State


Pacific Coast:
- Washington
- Washington State
- Oregon
- Oregon State

- Cal
- Stanford
- UCLA
- USC-West

- Arizona
- Arizona State
- Nevada
- UNLV

- Boise State
- Utah
- Utah State
- BYU


Northeastern:
- Syracuse
- Boston College
- UCONN
- UMASS
- Rutgers
- Temple

- Penn State
- Pitt
- Maryland
- Towson
- West Virginia
- Marshall


Great Lakes:
- Wisconsin
- Minnesota
- Northwestern
- Illinois

- Michigan State
- Michigan
- Purdue
- Indiana

- Ohio State
- Cincinnati
- Louisville
- Kentucky

- Iowa
- Iowa State
- Nebraska
- Missouri



Mountain West:
- Hawaii
- San Jose State
- Fresno State
- SDSU

- Idaho
- Eastern Washington
- Montana
- Montana State

- Wyoming
- Colorado
- Colorado State
- Air Force

- New Mexico
- New Mexico State
- UTEP
- Northern Arizona


Mid-American:
- NIU
- WMU
- CMU
- EMU
- Toledo
- BGSU

- Ball State
- Miami (OH)
- Ohio
- Kent State
- Akron
- Buffalo


C-USA:
- ODU
- ECU
- JMU
- Liberty

- Marshall
- WKU
- MTSU
- Memphis

- FAU
- FIU
- USF
- Jacksonville

- Georgia State
- Georgia Southern
- UAB
- Troy


Southwestern:
- Rice
- UTSA
- Texas State
- SMU
- North Texas
- Tulsa
- Arkansas State
- Louisiana Tech
- ULM
- ULL
- Tulane


SoCon:
- UNC Charlotte
- Wofford
- Furman
- Western Carolina

- Coastal Carolina
- Citadel
- Richmond
- William & Mary

- ETSU
- Appalachian State
- Chattanooga
- Tennessee Tech

- Jacksonville State
- Mercer
- Samford
- Alabama State


"Gateway" Conference:
- NDSU
- North Dakota
- SDSU
- South Dakota
- Northern Iowa
- Butler

- Western Illinois
- Illinois State
- Indiana State
- Southern Illinois
- Missouri State
- SE Missouri State


Independent: Notre Dame, Army, Navy


IF THERE WERE NO DISPARITIES (e.g. - money, prestige, brand, etc) .... I'd wager most teams would be happy where they ended up. Notable exception to anybody who believed (realistically or not) they were getting into a P5 and hopping on the gravy train and screwing everybody else in the current system.

Hey GTS ... you called up a bunch of FCS teams! Yes, yes I did. The big boys still want to pay for cupcakes and they can do it this way while still allowing pretty much any program with a snowball's chance of ever being title good of having a shot. Playoff money would be apportioned "unit" style like March Madness. It would be a 20 team playoff: 11 autobids, 9 at-large, with play-in games for the #4 seed in all brackets. To keep the number of games down, conference champions are awarded on regular season play ONLY, with co-champions awarded where no reasonable (head to head) tie break can be applied.