(06-11-2015 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  How many of these schools could wind up being another TCU if they added them?

Every G5 school would do pretty well in a P5.
TCU was what they are BEFORE the Big 12 added them. They were winning double digit football games and built their facilities.
And they needed that. Small school, solid academically, low research. They're like Tulsa, except that TCU won double digit games for several years against good competition.


ECU has 2 problems. Academic profile as mentioned above and secondarily basketball which has never made a NIT, much less NCAA as an at large.
But they'd be a player with either a)their state giving them equal status as, say, NC State, and/or b)win like Boise or TCU and improve the profile somewhat.
But they have a decent chance, as does most of the AAC and some of the MWC. The P5 is going to need games and content in the next 10 years. And they don't want a NFL model. They're going higher than 64 teams, so I predict.
The AAC may get pulled in in total. They certainly have the academic profile - higher total research right now than the Big 12 (and only 1M less on a per school basis). And that is the major factor getting into these leagues...it doesn't guarantee anything (obviously) but the lack of academic profile is a big barrier.

Big 12 to add UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati, and East Carolina to become Big 14 for 2016-2017 season. Division play with conference championship being played on campus of highest ranked team.
EAST
Kansas State
Iowa State
Memphis
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF

WEST
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Forgot LHN network will become more Big 14 oriented keeping LHN name but carrying non UT Big 14 games. Plan is to add LHN to Florida, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Tennessee, and North Carolina. To draw more revenue for the conference and UT would get majority of the LHN profit with the rest going to the Big 14 other members.

ECU, Cinci, Mem, and UCF to only get $2 million a year in tv revenue and will slowly grow as the tv revenue for Big 14 grows. Only way to make it work with the addition of four teams.

Rumor is American to back fill with UMass, Charlotte, Southern Miss, Old Dominion, Rice, and Army.

Heard it here first.

(06-12-2015 11:23 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:51 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 06:44 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would Texas be more interested in expansion if they could sell their Longhorn Network where they are not in yet? That could mean more money for Texas, and an agreement with the new teams to have their teams shown on the Network where the new teams get a certain cut that is more than they are getting now? Northern Illinois, Cincinnati, Memphis and UCF do have the population wise to get more viewers for the Longhorn Network. There are East Carolina, Stony Brook, Buffalo, Toledo, Ohio U., Albany, Towson, Old Dominion, Georgia Southern, Arkansas State, Missouri State, North Dakota State, Colorado State, Houston, UTSA, UTEP, Southern Miss., UAB etc etc all have good size markets as well. The problem is that they are ignoring the sleeping giants like the other conferences. They have been ignoring TCU until they finally added them and look where TCU is at? How many of these schools could wind up being another TCU if they added them?

Population centers don't matter. Fans do. Nobody is going to buy the LHN because the Horns are playing a nearby team. They would buy it because they care about one of the teams playing on it, either Texas or the other team. The schools that you listed don't have many fans. They would also hurt Texas' popularity in Texas and impact recruiting. Finally, they would increase travel costs and cut down on gate revenue, merch, etc.

We don't have many fans? Tell me exactly how we don't have many fans? Our ratings don't say that and neither does our attendance.

ITALICS: Yup.
UNDERLINED: Sure. Not many people care about UCF. That's how you don't have many fans.
BOLD: RE attendance: Your school disagrees (see link below). Also, keep in mind that UCF is a football school, so basketball is probably even worse.
http://www.ucffootballschedule.com/attendance.php

To put that in perspective, Syracuse, which spent a decade wandering in football h*ll and get's hammered for weak attendance on a regular basis, usually ends up being in the low 40's (you were ~38 last year).

RE Ratings: I doubt it, and if you do, I'd bet a good amount that it's because you're playing at a weird time when nothing else is on and nobody is watching TV.

UCF has a mountain of potential. Don't get me wrong. You are absolutely a sleeping giant, but you are also absolutely sleeping.

I think you may want to take a look at those football rankings. We finished higher than 10 p5s and several of your acc brethren. According to this we stack up well with cuse. http://cuse.com/sports/2008/4/23/sufootb...dance.aspx
Now for bball it depends on how good we are playing. When we play well it's 7 to 9k and when we have the seasons we are now it's 4500. Baseball we rank in the p5 as well. That is playing Tulane smu and uconn. Opposing fanbases may bring 3k fans tops but usually under 1k. That means we are carrying the load. Those odd times also hurt attendance btw. We sellout the important games/teams. If you play fsu and Maryland etc on a regular basis then it makes a difference. This sleeping giant out performs many p5s with g5 resources. And for what it's worth attendance rankings go byu then ecu and Ucf

(06-13-2015 08:29 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big 12 to add UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati, and East Carolina to become Big 14 for 2016-2017 season. Division play with conference championship being played on campus of highest ranked team.
EAST
Kansas State
Iowa State
Memphis
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF

WEST
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Forgot LHN network will become more Big 14 oriented keeping LHN name but carrying non UT Big 14 games. Plan is to add LHN to Florida, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Tennessee, and North Carolina. To draw more revenue for the conference and UT would get majority of the LHN profit with the rest going to the Big 14 other members.

ECU, Cinci, Mem, and UCF to only get $2 million a year in tv revenue and will slowly grow as the tv revenue for Big 14 grows. Only way to make it work with the addition of four teams.

Rumor is American to back fill with UMass, Charlotte, Southern Miss, Old Dominion, Rice, and Army.

Heard it here first.

That's a horrible rumor lol and IF that were to happen the AAC would jump at the chance to take NIU over half those schools... but yeah, no your crockpot theory wont happen THIS year at least

(06-13-2015 08:24 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  How many of these schools could wind up being another TCU if they added them?

Every G5 school would do pretty well in a P5.
TCU was what they are BEFORE the Big 12 added them. They were winning double digit football games and built their facilities.
And they needed that. Small school, solid academically, low research. They're like Tulsa, except that TCU won double digit games for several years against good competition.


ECU has 2 problems. Academic profile as mentioned above and secondarily basketball which has never made a NIT, much less NCAA as an at large.
But they'd be a player with either a)their state giving them equal status as, say, NC State, and/or b)win like Boise or TCU and improve the profile somewhat.
But they have a decent chance, as does most of the AAC and some of the MWC. The P5 is going to need games and content in the next 10 years. And they don't want a NFL model. They're going higher than 64 teams, so I predict.
The AAC may get pulled in in total. They certainly have the academic profile - higher total research right now than the Big 12 (and only 1M less on a per school basis). And that is the major factor getting into these leagues...it doesn't guarantee anything (obviously) but the lack of academic profile is a big barrier.

I hope ECU gets a P5 invite but TCU was "UTexas" ready when A&M left.

Outside of BYU, who comes close to East Carolina in terms of G5 support?

No one and they do it playing weak competition. G5 fans should aspire to have the fan support ECU has. They are the Ohio St, Michigan, Texas, Alabama in terms of G5 attendance.

(06-13-2015 11:52 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:24 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  How many of these schools could wind up being another TCU if they added them?

Every G5 school would do pretty well in a P5.
TCU was what they are BEFORE the Big 12 added them. They were winning double digit football games and built their facilities.
And they needed that. Small school, solid academically, low research. They're like Tulsa, except that TCU won double digit games for several years against good competition.


ECU has 2 problems. Academic profile as mentioned above and secondarily basketball which has never made a NIT, much less NCAA as an at large.
But they'd be a player with either a)their state giving them equal status as, say, NC State, and/or b)win like Boise or TCU and improve the profile somewhat.
But they have a decent chance, as does most of the AAC and some of the MWC. The P5 is going to need games and content in the next 10 years. And they don't want a NFL model. They're going higher than 64 teams, so I predict.
The AAC may get pulled in in total. They certainly have the academic profile - higher total research right now than the Big 12 (and only 1M less on a per school basis). And that is the major factor getting into these leagues...it doesn't guarantee anything (obviously) but the lack of academic profile is a big barrier.

I hope ECU gets a P5 invite but TCU was "UTexas" ready when A&M left.

Outside of BYU, who comes close to East Carolina in terms of G5 support?

No one and they do it playing weak competition. G5 fans should aspire to have the fan support ECU has. They are the Ohio St, Michigan, Texas, Alabama in terms of G5 attendance.

Boise State has the fan support. The issue is that they are running out of space to expand their stadium.

(06-14-2015 01:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:52 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:24 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  How many of these schools could wind up being another TCU if they added them?

Every G5 school would do pretty well in a P5.
TCU was what they are BEFORE the Big 12 added them. They were winning double digit football games and built their facilities.
And they needed that. Small school, solid academically, low research. They're like Tulsa, except that TCU won double digit games for several years against good competition.


ECU has 2 problems. Academic profile as mentioned above and secondarily basketball which has never made a NIT, much less NCAA as an at large.
But they'd be a player with either a)their state giving them equal status as, say, NC State, and/or b)win like Boise or TCU and improve the profile somewhat.
But they have a decent chance, as does most of the AAC and some of the MWC. The P5 is going to need games and content in the next 10 years. And they don't want a NFL model. They're going higher than 64 teams, so I predict.
The AAC may get pulled in in total. They certainly have the academic profile - higher total research right now than the Big 12 (and only 1M less on a per school basis). And that is the major factor getting into these leagues...it doesn't guarantee anything (obviously) but the lack of academic profile is a big barrier.

I hope ECU gets a P5 invite but TCU was "UTexas" ready when A&M left.

Outside of BYU, who comes close to East Carolina in terms of G5 support?

No one and they do it playing weak competition. G5 fans should aspire to have the fan support ECU has. They are the Ohio St, Michigan, Texas, Alabama in terms of G5 attendance.

Boise State has the fan support. The issue is that they are running out of space to expand their stadium.

Boise st has years of success and they can't build a 40k seat stadium?

(06-14-2015 01:21 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 01:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:52 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:24 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  

(06-11-2015 02:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  How many of these schools could wind up being another TCU if they added them?

Every G5 school would do pretty well in a P5.
TCU was what they are BEFORE the Big 12 added them. They were winning double digit football games and built their facilities.
And they needed that. Small school, solid academically, low research. They're like Tulsa, except that TCU won double digit games for several years against good competition.


ECU has 2 problems. Academic profile as mentioned above and secondarily basketball which has never made a NIT, much less NCAA as an at large.
But they'd be a player with either a)their state giving them equal status as, say, NC State, and/or b)win like Boise or TCU and improve the profile somewhat.
But they have a decent chance, as does most of the AAC and some of the MWC. The P5 is going to need games and content in the next 10 years. And they don't want a NFL model. They're going higher than 64 teams, so I predict.
The AAC may get pulled in in total. They certainly have the academic profile - higher total research right now than the Big 12 (and only 1M less on a per school basis). And that is the major factor getting into these leagues...it doesn't guarantee anything (obviously) but the lack of academic profile is a big barrier.

I hope ECU gets a P5 invite but TCU was "UTexas" ready when A&M left.

Outside of BYU, who comes close to East Carolina in terms of G5 support?

No one and they do it playing weak competition. G5 fans should aspire to have the fan support ECU has. They are the Ohio St, Michigan, Texas, Alabama in terms of G5 attendance.

Boise State has the fan support. The issue is that they are running out of space to expand their stadium.

Boise st has years of success and they can't build a 40k seat stadium?

They are expanding like every three years. The next stage seems to be the 53,000 seats mark by 2018. They are up to 37,000 the last expansion of the stadium. Been a goal since 2007. They may have to tear down some athletic buildings and rebuild new ones so the stadium expansion could be complete.

Eastern Washington is also making a major upgrade of their stadium and all that as well.

These two schools in the upper northwest have the fan support who do travel. That does not include BYU, Utah State, Nevada and Weber State that have fan support. I am surprise that Weber State have terrible football years, the fans still support them. I have to say that the northwest schools in the MWC, Big Sky to the Dakota states have the fans.

Idaho lost support.

Idaho State gain support last year when they went 8-4.

Idaho may not have the option to expand much for their dome, but Eastern Washington and Idaho State can grow their stadium without much troubles. I think Idaho may have to leave the Dome behind and build a complete new stadium to expand.

(06-14-2015 02:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 01:21 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 01:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:52 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:24 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  Every G5 school would do pretty well in a P5.
TCU was what they are BEFORE the Big 12 added them. They were winning double digit football games and built their facilities.
And they needed that. Small school, solid academically, low research. They're like Tulsa, except that TCU won double digit games for several years against good competition.


ECU has 2 problems. Academic profile as mentioned above and secondarily basketball which has never made a NIT, much less NCAA as an at large.
But they'd be a player with either a)their state giving them equal status as, say, NC State, and/or b)win like Boise or TCU and improve the profile somewhat.
But they have a decent chance, as does most of the AAC and some of the MWC. The P5 is going to need games and content in the next 10 years. And they don't want a NFL model. They're going higher than 64 teams, so I predict.
The AAC may get pulled in in total. They certainly have the academic profile - higher total research right now than the Big 12 (and only 1M less on a per school basis). And that is the major factor getting into these leagues...it doesn't guarantee anything (obviously) but the lack of academic profile is a big barrier.

I hope ECU gets a P5 invite but TCU was "UTexas" ready when A&M left.

Outside of BYU, who comes close to East Carolina in terms of G5 support?

No one and they do it playing weak competition. G5 fans should aspire to have the fan support ECU has. They are the Ohio St, Michigan, Texas, Alabama in terms of G5 attendance.

Boise State has the fan support. The issue is that they are running out of space to expand their stadium.

Boise st has years of success and they can't build a 40k seat stadium?

They are expanding like every three years. The next stage seems to be the 53,000 seats mark by 2018. They are up to 37,000 the last expansion of the stadium. Been a goal since 2007. They may have to tear down some athletic buildings and rebuild new ones so the stadium expansion could be complete.

Eastern Washington is also making a major upgrade of their stadium and all that as well.

These two schools in the upper northwest have the fan support who do travel. That does not include BYU, Utah State, Nevada and Weber State that have fan support. I am surprise that Weber State have terrible football years, the fans still support them. I have to say that the northwest schools in the MWC, Big Sky to the Dakota states have the fans.

Idaho lost support.

Idaho State gain support last year when they went 8-4.

Idaho may not have the option to expand much for their dome, but Eastern Washington and Idaho State can grow their stadium without much troubles. I think Idaho may have to leave the Dome behind and build a complete new stadium to expand.

I know you might be a little slow growing up in OK but Boise isn't wanted by anyone

I hope you end this tirade because you look like an idiot. I won't ping you on rep but you need to grow up

(06-14-2015 03:04 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 02:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 01:21 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 01:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:52 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  I hope ECU gets a P5 invite but TCU was "UTexas" ready when A&M left.

Outside of BYU, who comes close to East Carolina in terms of G5 support?

No one and they do it playing weak competition. G5 fans should aspire to have the fan support ECU has. They are the Ohio St, Michigan, Texas, Alabama in terms of G5 attendance.

Boise State has the fan support. The issue is that they are running out of space to expand their stadium.

Boise st has years of success and they can't build a 40k seat stadium?

They are expanding like every three years. The next stage seems to be the 53,000 seats mark by 2018. They are up to 37,000 the last expansion of the stadium. Been a goal since 2007. They may have to tear down some athletic buildings and rebuild new ones so the stadium expansion could be complete.

Eastern Washington is also making a major upgrade of their stadium and all that as well.

These two schools in the upper northwest have the fan support who do travel. That does not include BYU, Utah State, Nevada and Weber State that have fan support. I am surprise that Weber State have terrible football years, the fans still support them. I have to say that the northwest schools in the MWC, Big Sky to the Dakota states have the fans.

Idaho lost support.

Idaho State gain support last year when they went 8-4.

Idaho may not have the option to expand much for their dome, but Eastern Washington and Idaho State can grow their stadium without much troubles. I think Idaho may have to leave the Dome behind and build a complete new stadium to expand.

I know you might be a little slow growing up in OK but Boise isn't wanted by anyone

I hope you end this tirade because you look like an idiot. I won't ping you on rep but you need to grow up

People like you need to know that Louisville, TCU and Utah nobody wanted either and they got picked. From my stand point, it is only a few people like you that hate Boise State. Does not mean that others will. Boise State is gaining a National following, and you just can't except that.

(06-13-2015 10:58 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:29 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big 12 to add UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati, and East Carolina to become Big 14 for 2016-2017 season. Division play with conference championship being played on campus of highest ranked team.
EAST
Kansas State
Iowa State
Memphis
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF

WEST
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Forgot LHN network will become more Big 14 oriented keeping LHN name but carrying non UT Big 14 games. Plan is to add LHN to Florida, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Tennessee, and North Carolina. To draw more revenue for the conference and UT would get majority of the LHN profit with the rest going to the Big 14 other members.

ECU, Cinci, Mem, and UCF to only get $2 million a year in tv revenue and will slowly grow as the tv revenue for Big 14 grows. Only way to make it work with the addition of four teams.

Rumor is American to back fill with UMass, Charlotte, Southern Miss, Old Dominion, Rice, and Army.

Heard it here first.

That's a horrible rumor lol and IF that were to happen the AAC would jump at the chance to take NIU over half those schools... but yeah, no your crockpot theory wont happen THIS year at least

If I had include Northern Illinois you would have been all over it. If those schools left the American I think the conference would try to become a basketball east coast/southeast conference with FBS football, and not worry about the Mid-West or West. That's the reason to add Charlotte, Old Dominion, UMass, and Southern Miss all have good basketball programs. Army for football only to go with Navy and Rice adds another Texas school and adds another AAU school with Tulane.

EAST
UMASS
UCONN
Army
Temple
Old Dominion
Charlotte
South Florida

WEST
Southern Miss
Tulane
Rice
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Navy

(06-14-2015 02:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 01:21 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 01:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 11:52 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:24 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  Every G5 school would do pretty well in a P5.
TCU was what they are BEFORE the Big 12 added them. They were winning double digit football games and built their facilities.
And they needed that. Small school, solid academically, low research. They're like Tulsa, except that TCU won double digit games for several years against good competition.


ECU has 2 problems. Academic profile as mentioned above and secondarily basketball which has never made a NIT, much less NCAA as an at large.
But they'd be a player with either a)their state giving them equal status as, say, NC State, and/or b)win like Boise or TCU and improve the profile somewhat.
But they have a decent chance, as does most of the AAC and some of the MWC. The P5 is going to need games and content in the next 10 years. And they don't want a NFL model. They're going higher than 64 teams, so I predict.
The AAC may get pulled in in total. They certainly have the academic profile - higher total research right now than the Big 12 (and only 1M less on a per school basis). And that is the major factor getting into these leagues...it doesn't guarantee anything (obviously) but the lack of academic profile is a big barrier.

I hope ECU gets a P5 invite but TCU was "UTexas" ready when A&M left.

Outside of BYU, who comes close to East Carolina in terms of G5 support?

No one and they do it playing weak competition. G5 fans should aspire to have the fan support ECU has. They are the Ohio St, Michigan, Texas, Alabama in terms of G5 attendance.

Boise State has the fan support. The issue is that they are running out of space to expand their stadium.

Boise st has years of success and they can't build a 40k seat stadium?

They are expanding like every three years. The next stage seems to be the 53,000 seats mark by 2018. They are up to 37,000 the last expansion of the stadium. Been a goal since 2007. They may have to tear down some athletic buildings and rebuild new ones so the stadium expansion could be complete.

Eastern Washington is also making a major upgrade of their stadium and all that as well.

These two schools in the upper northwest have the fan support who do travel. That does not include BYU, Utah State, Nevada and Weber State that have fan support. I am surprise that Weber State have terrible football years, the fans still support them. I have to say that the northwest schools in the MWC, Big Sky to the Dakota states have the fans.

Idaho lost support.

Idaho State gain support last year when they went 8-4.

Idaho may not have the option to expand much for their dome, but Eastern Washington and Idaho State can grow their stadium without much troubles. I think Idaho may have to leave the Dome behind and build a complete new stadium to expand.

Idaho's window on new construction closed when the WAC ceased playing football. When that happened, the realistic path to resources closed on Idaho. If UI couldn't/didn't build new when the resources WERE conceivably available, then there is NO way they can/will build when the resources aren't.

The Kibbie Dome is perfect for FCS level football. That's all Idaho needs and that's all Idaho will have to live on in the future. I'd say exactly the same thing about UMass and McGuirk. UMass and Idaho have made their choices and now they will have to live with them.

(06-14-2015 08:25 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:58 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:29 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big 12 to add UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati, and East Carolina to become Big 14 for 2016-2017 season. Division play with conference championship being played on campus of highest ranked team.
EAST
Kansas State
Iowa State
Memphis
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF

WEST
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Forgot LHN network will become more Big 14 oriented keeping LHN name but carrying non UT Big 14 games. Plan is to add LHN to Florida, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Tennessee, and North Carolina. To draw more revenue for the conference and UT would get majority of the LHN profit with the rest going to the Big 14 other members.

ECU, Cinci, Mem, and UCF to only get $2 million a year in tv revenue and will slowly grow as the tv revenue for Big 14 grows. Only way to make it work with the addition of four teams.

Rumor is American to back fill with UMass, Charlotte, Southern Miss, Old Dominion, Rice, and Army.

Heard it here first.

That's a horrible rumor lol and IF that were to happen the AAC would jump at the chance to take NIU over half those schools... but yeah, no your crockpot theory wont happen THIS year at least

If I had include Northern Illinois you would have been all over it. If those schools left the American I think the conference would try to become a basketball east coast/southeast conference with FBS football, and not worry about the Mid-West or West. That's the reason to add Charlotte, Old Dominion, UMass, and Southern Miss all have good basketball programs. Army for football only to go with Navy and Rice adds another Texas school and adds another AAU school with Tulane.

EAST
UMASS
UCONN
Army
Temple
Old Dominion
Charlotte
South Florida

WEST
Southern Miss
Tulane
Rice
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Navy

That's a lovely Gang of Five Conference you've got there. Please let me know when you build a model with the intent of garnering a national media partner for a Conference Network. For that you'll need large media markets and ones you can get high ratings in. Large markets aren't the only thing you need, you need large amounts of alumni with traditions and name recognition. Many of those schools lack traditions at the D-1 level and name recognition as well as fan base/number of alumni.

(06-14-2015 11:36 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 08:25 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:58 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:29 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big 12 to add UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati, and East Carolina to become Big 14 for 2016-2017 season. Division play with conference championship being played on campus of highest ranked team.
EAST
Kansas State
Iowa State
Memphis
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF

WEST
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Forgot LHN network will become more Big 14 oriented keeping LHN name but carrying non UT Big 14 games. Plan is to add LHN to Florida, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Tennessee, and North Carolina. To draw more revenue for the conference and UT would get majority of the LHN profit with the rest going to the Big 14 other members.

ECU, Cinci, Mem, and UCF to only get $2 million a year in tv revenue and will slowly grow as the tv revenue for Big 14 grows. Only way to make it work with the addition of four teams.

Rumor is American to back fill with UMass, Charlotte, Southern Miss, Old Dominion, Rice, and Army.

Heard it here first.

That's a horrible rumor lol and IF that were to happen the AAC would jump at the chance to take NIU over half those schools... but yeah, no your crockpot theory wont happen THIS year at least

If I had include Northern Illinois you would have been all over it. If those schools left the American I think the conference would try to become a basketball east coast/southeast conference with FBS football, and not worry about the Mid-West or West. That's the reason to add Charlotte, Old Dominion, UMass, and Southern Miss all have good basketball programs. Army for football only to go with Navy and Rice adds another Texas school and adds another AAU school with Tulane.

EAST
UMASS
UCONN
Army
Temple
Old Dominion
Charlotte
South Florida

WEST
Southern Miss
Tulane
Rice
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Navy

That's a lovely Gang of Five Conference you've got there. Please let me know when you build a model with the intent of garnering a national media partner for a Conference Network. For that you'll need large media markets and ones you can get high ratings in. Large markets aren't the only thing you need, you need large amounts of alumni with traditions and name recognition. Many of those schools lack traditions at the D-1 level and name recognition as well as fan base/number of alumni.

Large media markets are irrelevant. 1,000,000 people living in heck-knows-where Alabama (or any other rural state - upstate, NY if you rather) aren't worth tangibly more than 1,000,000 of the same people living in New Orleans (or any other city).

(06-14-2015 11:43 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:36 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 08:25 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:58 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:29 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big 12 to add UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati, and East Carolina to become Big 14 for 2016-2017 season. Division play with conference championship being played on campus of highest ranked team.
EAST
Kansas State
Iowa State
Memphis
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF

WEST
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Forgot LHN network will become more Big 14 oriented keeping LHN name but carrying non UT Big 14 games. Plan is to add LHN to Florida, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Tennessee, and North Carolina. To draw more revenue for the conference and UT would get majority of the LHN profit with the rest going to the Big 14 other members.

ECU, Cinci, Mem, and UCF to only get $2 million a year in tv revenue and will slowly grow as the tv revenue for Big 14 grows. Only way to make it work with the addition of four teams.

Rumor is American to back fill with UMass, Charlotte, Southern Miss, Old Dominion, Rice, and Army.

Heard it here first.

That's a horrible rumor lol and IF that were to happen the AAC would jump at the chance to take NIU over half those schools... but yeah, no your crockpot theory wont happen THIS year at least

If I had include Northern Illinois you would have been all over it. If those schools left the American I think the conference would try to become a basketball east coast/southeast conference with FBS football, and not worry about the Mid-West or West. That's the reason to add Charlotte, Old Dominion, UMass, and Southern Miss all have good basketball programs. Army for football only to go with Navy and Rice adds another Texas school and adds another AAU school with Tulane.

EAST
UMASS
UCONN
Army
Temple
Old Dominion
Charlotte
South Florida

WEST
Southern Miss
Tulane
Rice
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Navy

That's a lovely Gang of Five Conference you've got there. Please let me know when you build a model with the intent of garnering a national media partner for a Conference Network. For that you'll need large media markets and ones you can get high ratings in. Large markets aren't the only thing you need, you need large amounts of alumni with traditions and name recognition. Many of those schools lack traditions at the D-1 level and name recognition as well as fan base/number of alumni.

Large media markets are irrelevant. 1,000,000 people living in heck-knows-where Alabama (or any other rural state - upstate, NY if you rather) aren't worth tangibly more than 1,000,000 of the same people living in New Orleans (or any other city).

That reading comprehension thing got you stumped again? try reading my post again. I'll even bold the sentences for you.

Basically, I said you need a mass amount of viewers on a regular basis to demonstrate popularity and to prove you're worth the investment.

(06-14-2015 11:50 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:43 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:36 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  That's a lovely Gang of Five Conference you've got there. Please let me know when you build a model with the intent of garnering a national media partner for a Conference Network. For that you'll need large media markets and ones you can get high ratings in. Large markets aren't the only thing you need, you need large amounts of alumni with traditions and name recognition. Many of those schools lack traditions at the D-1 level and name recognition as well as fan base/number of alumni.

Large media markets are irrelevant. 1,000,000 people living in heck-knows-where Alabama (or any other rural state - upstate, NY if you rather) aren't worth tangibly more than 1,000,000 of the same people living in New Orleans (or any other city).

That reading comprehension thing got you stumped again? try reading my post again. I'll even bold the sentences for you.

Basically, I said you need a mass amount of viewers on a regular basis to demonstrate popularity and to prove you're worth the investment.

Think through this one. When you say "[l]arge markets aren't the only thing you need....," are you not saying that you need large markets plus other stuff (i.e. large amounts of alumni with traditions and name recognition)? If so, how is my post, which claims that you don't need large markets, not directly relevant to what you said? I'm directly refuting the first part of your claim.

I suggest that *you* try reading both posts again.

A large market is not necessary for large amounts of viewers.

(06-14-2015 11:55 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:50 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:43 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:36 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  That's a lovely Gang of Five Conference you've got there. Please let me know when you build a model with the intent of garnering a national media partner for a Conference Network. For that you'll need large media markets and ones you can get high ratings in. Large markets aren't the only thing you need, you need large amounts of alumni with traditions and name recognition. Many of those schools lack traditions at the D-1 level and name recognition as well as fan base/number of alumni.

Large media markets are irrelevant. 1,000,000 people living in heck-knows-where Alabama (or any other rural state - upstate, NY if you rather) aren't worth tangibly more than 1,000,000 of the same people living in New Orleans (or any other city).

That reading comprehension thing got you stumped again? try reading my post again. I'll even bold the sentences for you.

Basically, I said you need a mass amount of viewers on a regular basis to demonstrate popularity and to prove you're worth the investment.

Think through this one. When you say "[l]arge markets aren't the only thing you need....," are you not saying that you need large markets plus other stuff? If so, how is my post, which claims that you don't need large markets, not directly relevant to what you said?

I suggest that *you* try reading both posts again.

A large market is not necessary for large amounts of viewers.

Wrong, my statement showed that it was not the only criteria used and as we all know, not every school meats all the criteria for an invite. As I stated, you need a large amount of viewers to demonstrate that you're worth the investment. I mentioned Large Alumni Base, Market Size and Viewership Ratings. So again, my point stands and was accurate. Thanks for posting. I also added Name recognition in case you missed it. I did however fail to post that location is important. Even though you may not have a large market, you may reside in a location that would expand the Conference Footprint and thus add value, as long as the ratings and interest is there.

(06-14-2015 12:01 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:55 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:50 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:43 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 11:36 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  That's a lovely Gang of Five Conference you've got there. Please let me know when you build a model with the intent of garnering a national media partner for a Conference Network. For that you'll need large media markets and ones you can get high ratings in. Large markets aren't the only thing you need, you need large amounts of alumni with traditions and name recognition. Many of those schools lack traditions at the D-1 level and name recognition as well as fan base/number of alumni.

Large media markets are irrelevant. 1,000,000 people living in heck-knows-where Alabama (or any other rural state - upstate, NY if you rather) aren't worth tangibly more than 1,000,000 of the same people living in New Orleans (or any other city).

That reading comprehension thing got you stumped again? try reading my post again. I'll even bold the sentences for you.

Basically, I said you need a mass amount of viewers on a regular basis to demonstrate popularity and to prove you're worth the investment.

Think through this one. When you say "[l]arge markets aren't the only thing you need....," are you not saying that you need large markets plus other stuff? If so, how is my post, which claims that you don't need large markets, not directly relevant to what you said?

I suggest that *you* try reading both posts again.

A large market is not necessary for large amounts of viewers.

Wrong, my statement showed that it was not the only criteria used and as we all know, not every school meats all the criteria for an invite. As I stated, you need a large amount of viewers to demonstrate that you're worth the investment. I mentioned Large Alumni Base, Market Size and Viewership Ratings. So again, my point stands and was accurate. Thanks for posting.

1. "my statement showed that it was not the only criteria used"
Here you are admitting that market size is a criteria

2. "Large markets aren't the only thing you need"
Here you're agreeing with point #1 and emphasizing that you "need it"

3. "not every school meats [sic] all the criteria [like the one mentioned in point #1] for an invite."
Here you're saying that point #2 is a lie, as you don't really "need it."

4. "my point stands and was accurate."
Here you are pretending like point #3's contradiction with point #2 isn't happening.

5. "I mentioned Large Alumni Base, Market Size and Viewership Ratings."
Here you are attempting to restate your original argument claiming that market size is relevant contrary to my assertion that "[l]arge media markets are irrelevant," despite claiming that my original response didn't directly touch on your original argument. In doing so, your admitting that *the* topic of my original post, market size, is a criteria that was included in your original post.

6. "Wrong"
Here you are claiming that I am wrong when I say that my initial response to your post was directly relevant to your original post. However, in doing so, you are directly conflicting with point #5.

Make up your mind. You are arguing two contradictions (points 2 and 3, and points 5 and 6).

(06-14-2015 11:36 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 08:25 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 10:58 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:29 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big 12 to add UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati, and East Carolina to become Big 14 for 2016-2017 season. Division play with conference championship being played on campus of highest ranked team.
EAST
Kansas State
Iowa State
Memphis
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF

WEST
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Forgot LHN network will become more Big 14 oriented keeping LHN name but carrying non UT Big 14 games. Plan is to add LHN to Florida, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Tennessee, and North Carolina. To draw more revenue for the conference and UT would get majority of the LHN profit with the rest going to the Big 14 other members.

ECU, Cinci, Mem, and UCF to only get $2 million a year in tv revenue and will slowly grow as the tv revenue for Big 14 grows. Only way to make it work with the addition of four teams.

Rumor is American to back fill with UMass, Charlotte, Southern Miss, Old Dominion, Rice, and Army.

Heard it here first.

That's a horrible rumor lol and IF that were to happen the AAC would jump at the chance to take NIU over half those schools... but yeah, no your crockpot theory wont happen THIS year at least

If I had include Northern Illinois you would have been all over it. If those schools left the American I think the conference would try to become a basketball east coast/southeast conference with FBS football, and not worry about the Mid-West or West. That's the reason to add Charlotte, Old Dominion, UMass, and Southern Miss all have good basketball programs. Army for football only to go with Navy and Rice adds another Texas school and adds another AAU school with Tulane.

EAST
UMASS
UCONN
Army
Temple
Old Dominion
Charlotte
South Florida

WEST
Southern Miss
Tulane
Rice
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Navy

That's a lovely Gang of Five Conference you've got there. Please let me know when you build a model with the intent of garnering a national media partner for a Conference Network. For that you'll need large media markets and ones you can get high ratings in. Large markets aren't the only thing you need, you need large amounts of alumni with traditions and name recognition. Many of those schools lack traditions at the D-1 level and name recognition as well as fan base/number of alumni.

In fairness, if the AAC loses Cincy, Memphis, ECU, and UCF, exactly who are they going be able to replace them with who are MORE valuable?

The current AAC doesn't have the brand names to garner a national media partner for a Conference Network, so how on earth is an AAC that loses four of its more valuable members going to be able to do that?

(06-13-2015 08:29 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big 12 to add UCF, Memphis, Cincinnati, and East Carolina to become Big 14 for 2016-2017 season. Division play with conference championship being played on campus of highest ranked team.
EAST
Kansas State
Iowa State
Memphis
Cincinnati
West Virginia
East Carolina
UCF

WEST
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Forgot LHN network will become more Big 14 oriented keeping LHN name but carrying non UT Big 14 games. Plan is to add LHN to Florida, Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, DC, Tennessee, and North Carolina. To draw more revenue for the conference and UT would get majority of the LHN profit with the rest going to the Big 14 other members.

ECU, Cinci, Mem, and UCF to only get $2 million a year in tv revenue and will slowly grow as the tv revenue for Big 14 grows. Only way to make it work with the addition of four teams.

Rumor is American to back fill with UMass, Charlotte, Southern Miss, Old Dominion, Rice, and Army.

Heard it here first.

Is your source from a journalist, athletic department, or a university admin? In order to pull this off for 16/17 the announcement will need to drop ASAP. Go Pirates!