Only an idiot AD/FB Coach would allow your star player to work at a bar serving alcohol.

Wait till the NCAA finds out about the $100 tips from boosters.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2853126

It's not an NCAA violation for him to work there and I didn't read anything about him receiving money from booster so it's wrong to accuse him of that. As for this matter, we'll see. Considering the number of bars that serve alcohol to minors this seems more like a witch hunt to me then a case of Florida's finest actually caring about our youth's well-being. This will probably blow over quickly.

I was not going to be the one to post this because I would be accused of making stuff up to go after USF.

That aside, there are several issues the NCAA will eventually have to look into:

Any scholarship player must fill out the proper forms to get a job. USF said they did not know he was working, that is a violation.

The bar he worked at advertised that he was serving there, a violation.

The bar was called "The Bull Ring" the only USF themed bar in Tampa.

The bar has links to only one sports website, USF athletics.

The bar is owned by a USF alumnis and most likely booster.

The bar was home to the coaches show and their signing party just this past February.


I don't know what will happen, but it was only a few months ago where the moderator for a USF webpage said that the athletic department employed to recruits to dig holes around the practice field, that did not make grades last year and are not part of the team this year.

It just does not past the smell test. I will be bashed by USF fans, but it is not UCF fans making this stuff up. It is happening in Tampa.

How hard is it to say, "can I see your ID please?" Of course maybe he did, I don't know. I sure hope he and the school don't get dinged over it.

I will not even try to answer the Gnat poster, who is one that has been salivating for years and predicting doom and gllom for athletics at USF.
Mark
i will try to answer your question as best I can. Right now we dont know the full story.
What is known is that this was not approved by the university and it was not a full time gig. It was a stupid decision by a young man that im sure he regrets.
Is it an NCAA violation that he served alcohol to a minor? No
Is it an NCAA violation that he had a job there? No, unless it can be shown that he was getting pay differently for who he was.
The tips as far as we know where going into a pot and not to him as an individual.
USF has informed the NCAA of what happened.
As i said a dumb decision by a young man.

As for the Gnat fans i know that since you cant beat us ON the field, anything that hurts our football program is greeted with mutual masturbation parties in O-town.

army56mike Wrote:How hard is it to say, "can I see your ID please?" Of course maybe he did, I don't know. I sure hope he and the school don't get dinged over it.

Unfortunately I have known people who have had no problem getting in with a fake idea, etc.

Sir Galahad Wrote:I was not going to be the one to post this because I would be accused of making stuff up to go after USF.

That aside, there are several issues the NCAA will eventually have to look into:

Any scholarship player must fill out the proper forms to get a job. USF said they did not know he was working, that is a violation.

The bar he worked at advertised that he was serving there, a violation.

The bar was called "The Bull Ring" the only USF themed bar in Tampa.

The bar has links to only one sports website, USF athletics.

The bar is owned by a USF alumnis and most likely booster.

The bar was home to the coaches show and their signing party just this past February.


I don't know what will happen, but it was only a few months ago where the moderator for a USF webpage said that the athletic department employed to recruits to dig holes around the practice field, that did not make grades last year and are not part of the team this year.

It just does not past the smell test. I will be bashed by USF fans, but it is not UCF fans making this stuff up. It is happening in Tampa.

1. There are no NCAA violations. The St. Pete Times called the NCAA to verify this information.

2. Show me where there was advertisements that Grothe was working there...posting on a social website doesn't count.

3. Despite your insinuations, this is just a simple case of Grothe making a mistake.

4. The two recruits you were talking about worked for a landscaping company that is one of several companies that USF contracts out their lawn service. Thus the two players in question did NOT work for the athletic department. Nice try....just another sign that you are desperate.

I am glad that you Tinmen are doing your annual summer circle jerk. It just shows you how desperate you are for USF to fall down to your level. You were the same moron who called the NCAA on USF for having "tryouts" last summer. That is, the same kind of summer camps that every major Division I-A team has every year. That thread was pages long and in the end it made your own site publisher, Brandon Helwig, to laugh at you. Nice job....

Tell you what: when Leavitt starts giving his players money like O'Liar did at Georgia Tech...that is when I'll start worrying about how the program is being run.

TexanMark Wrote:Only an idiot AD/FB Coach would allow your star player to work at a bar serving alcohol.

Wait till the NCAA finds out about the $100 tips from boosters.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2853Mark126

Mark thtas the type of post title I would expect from a UCF fan. Where in that or any other post do you read about $100 tips from boosters?
If you had ever visited the Bull Ring you would know that is in a horrible location, the owner is NOT a booster and is frequented mostly by college kids.

Cubanbull Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:Only an idiot AD/FB Coach would allow your star player to work at a bar serving alcohol.

Wait till the NCAA finds out about the $100 tips from boosters.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2853Mark126

Mark thtas the type of post title I would expect from a UCF fan. Where in that or any other post do you read about $100 tips from boosters?
If you had ever visited the Bull Ring you would know that is in a horrible location, the owner is NOT a booster and is frequented mostly by college kids.

Good point....the owner is not even a USF alum.


I just hope that Phillip uses a condom during his circle jerk marathon this week.

Quote:Is it an NCAA violation that he had a job there? No, unless it can be shown that he was getting pay differently for who he was.

Wrong, all scholarship athletes MUST notify their schools and fill out NCAA paper work when they get a job. If USF did not know he was working, which the head football coach said so, than that alone is an NCAA violation. Not so much against USF, but against the eligibility of Matt Grothe.

You're right, not all is known about this, but more will come out. To say that the St. Pete Times writer Greg Auman has looked into this is a joke in its own right. The St. Pete Times pays USF to be the offical paper and it is well known that Greg Auman posts on the USF message board and is more of a fan than a reporter.

As I figured would happen, USF fans bashing me and UCF, last I checked, we did not employ Matt Grothe, we did not employ the two recruits and we have not been arresting players at USF. If you don't want UCF fans to post about the multiple arrests at USF every year, ask your adminstration to clean up the program.

Cyber, he may not be an alumnis, but he was a booster.

So bad is it that one of your own sports administration is asking USF fans not to post this stuff on the website, but to keep it internal for fear of it becoming a major violation.

I would hardly call it a circle jerk, most of us expect this. Grothe is just another USF player arrested. USF is good for four or five arrestes every off season. So for it is three that we know of and it is not even May yet.

CatsClaw Wrote:

army56mike Wrote:How hard is it to say, "can I see your ID please?" Of course maybe he did, I don't know. I sure hope he and the school don't get dinged over it.

Unfortunately I have known people who have had no problem getting in with a fake idea, etc.

Grothe doesn't have an excuse, other than "I was busy and forget to look at his wrist". That isn't a decent excuse, he flat out made a mistake and broke the law. From my understanding, the bar lets in the 18-20 crowd. It sounds like they do what similar establishments that I've been to in KY and OH do, they check ID at the door and 18 and over is allowed in. 21 and over is given a bright orange wristbound. So as a bartender, you don't serve an 18 year old not wearing a wristband.

Now, I just love the UCF fans acting like he killed a man, gutted the body, and hung the corpse up in the town square. Galahad, you don't know of any NCAA violation at this point. Did the HC admit he didn't realize he was working at the bar? Yes. However, he also said he was not sure if someone else in the USF program was aware. So let's calm down. That may be tough because I hesitate to even call you a UCF fan. You seem better classified as an anti-USF fan. That isn't my opinion, I say that based on 75% of your posts on the BE board this month being anti-USF with absolutely nothing UCF related in the topic. Also on your past history here and on other boards. Why bother even trying to act as if you aren't down on your knees hoping and praying for USF to die and dissapear? You should at least hold off on those hopes until you beat them once.

I'm dead serious when I say I believe Galahad would take an 0-12 UCF season with USF getting in trouble over UCF going 12-0 and USF also having a good year. I could be wrong, but your posting gives you absolutely nothing in your defense to say otherwise.

Well than card, you are an idiot. I rank in the top three percentile when it comes to UCF booster points. I have been a season ticket holder for UCF for 18 years.

I guess you forgot about my nearly 4,000 posts on the UCF board compared to what, 25 posts on this board about USF.

What I don't like is the constant arrests and rule breaking that appears to be happening at USF. Tell me Card, where do you draw the line?

Interesting then that you rarely if ever comment when UCF is mentioned (plenty of the time) on this board, but like flies to ****, you flock when USF is mentioned.

I honestly could care less about internet claims that cannot be backed up. Heck, you're Keith Tribble for all I know!

If you do in fact "lead the pack" in donating to UCF, then you must like the split personality, because frankly you look like a USF internet stalker.

As to where I draw a line, unless it comes out that he was taking home wads of cash, no line needs to be drawn. A 20 yr old served an 18 year old a beer. I won't lose any sleep over it. Its clearly wrong, but your conspiracy theories are tired.

How do you know the owner is a booster?

Second the official at USF that you quote, only said that USF was NOT awared of Grothe working at the bar and that if fans saw something like this it would be best to contact athletics so that they would know and take action rather than let it become an infraction that the NCAA would find out first. I see no cover up at all there, only in your sick mind.

As for arrests,none of them are serious,one a kid serves an 18 yr old a drink at a bar is misdeamanor. The other two arrests were kids that refused to leave a bar when asked to by police. Not one was killed, no one was beaten up.
But in your mind you just cant accept that USF football has past your Knights and left them in the dust. Get ready for your THIRD beat down.

I knew as soon as this threat started that it would bring you and other Gnats like flies. Ill say this will end up in the Smack board very fast.

Cubanbull Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:Only an idiot AD/FB Coach would allow your star player to work at a bar serving alcohol.

Wait till the NCAA finds out about the $100 tips from boosters.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2853Mark126

Mark thtas the type of post title I would expect from a UCF fan. Where in that or any other post do you read about $100 tips from boosters?
If you had ever visited the Bull Ring you would know that is in a horrible location, the owner is NOT a booster and is frequented mostly by college kids.

It was a hypothetical--sorry, I apologize, I didn't make it clear--hard to detect tone/sarcasm in a post. I have no evidence he ever received $$$ beyond a normal and customary tip--however, what I was trying to say is I wouldn't be surprised if a booster would tempt him. It is just stupid to have your star QB working a barkeep in a known USF fan bar.

It was stupid and as i stated athletics was not awared of it and it wasnt a regular job.
As i said I knew this thread would attract UCFers like flies they have been having mutual masturbation parties since it came out and one of them has been asking in their boards and in the CUSA board to contact the NCAA regarding it.
It is so freaking pathetic but since they cant beat us on the field......

Sir Galahad Wrote:

Quote:Is it an NCAA violation that he had a job there? No, unless it can be shown that he was getting pay differently for who he was.

Wrong, all scholarship athletes MUST notify their schools and fill out NCAA paper work when they get a job. If USF did not know he was working, which the head football coach said so, than that alone is an NCAA violation. Not so much against USF, but against the eligibility of Matt Grothe.

You're right, not all is known about this, but more will come out. To say that the St. Pete Times writer Greg Auman has looked into this is a joke in its own right. The St. Pete Times pays USF to be the offical paper and it is well known that Greg Auman posts on the USF message board and is more of a fan than a reporter.

As I figured would happen, USF fans bashing me and UCF, last I checked, we did not employ Matt Grothe, we did not employ the two recruits and we have not been arresting players at USF. If you don't want UCF fans to post about the multiple arrests at USF every year, ask your adminstration to clean up the program.

We bash you are twisting the facts.

BTW, if the Times was the mouth piece for USF as you are suggesting why would it break the story to begin with, and then editorialize about why Grothe was working as a bartender?

Warren and McKaskill were employeed by one of the lawn services USF's uses to do it's landscaping work. I guess it's easier for you to ignore the facts.

Must suck to be a UCiF fan, since the best you can do is hope other programs drop down to your level.

BTW....at least USF there is enough interest from the local media to report such minor transgression unlike UCiF where Brandon Marshall gets arrested for battery of a policeman and it took until he was drafted for it to come out.

Phil, you are such a miserable little loser.

Sir Galahad Wrote:Cyber, he may not be an alumnis, but he was a booster.

So bad is it that one of your own sports administration is asking USF fans not to post this stuff on the website, but to keep it internal for fear of it becoming a major violation.

I would hardly call it a circle jerk, most of us expect this. Grothe is just another USF player arrested. USF is good for four or five arrestes every off season. So for it is three that we know of and it is not even May yet.

Then I guess we have some more work to do before we catch up to Penn State. I guess they are a program out of control.

stop making excuses. The bottom line is that UCiF is spending a ton of money on a coach who is over the hill and can't win in a mid-major conference such as C-DOA.

CollegeCard Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

army56mike Wrote:How hard is it to say, "can I see your ID please?" Of course maybe he did, I don't know. I sure hope he and the school don't get dinged over it.

Unfortunately I have known people who have had no problem getting in with a fake idea, etc.

Grothe doesn't have an excuse, other than "I was busy and forget to look at his wrist". That isn't a decent excuse, he flat out made a mistake and broke the law. From my understanding, the bar lets in the 18-20 crowd. It sounds like they do what similar establishments that I've been to in KY and OH do, they check ID at the door and 18 and over is allowed in. 21 and over is given a bright orange wristbound. So as a bartender, you don't serve an 18 year old not wearing a wristband.

Now, I just love the UCF fans acting like he killed a man, gutted the body, and hung the corpse up in the town square. Galahad, you don't know of any NCAA violation at this point. Did the HC admit he didn't realize he was working at the bar? Yes. However, he also said he was not sure if someone else in the USF program was aware. So let's calm down. That may be tough because I hesitate to even call you a UCF fan. You seem better classified as an anti-USF fan. That isn't my opinion, I say that based on 75% of your posts on the BE board this month being anti-USF with absolutely nothing UCF related in the topic. Also on your past history here and on other boards. Why bother even trying to act as if you aren't down on your knees hoping and praying for USF to die and dissapear? You should at least hold off on those hopes until you beat them once.

I'm dead serious when I say I believe Galahad would take an 0-12 UCF season with USF getting in trouble over UCF going 12-0 and USF also having a good year. I could be wrong, but your posting gives you absolutely nothing in your defense to say otherwise.

He is the same fool that has been predicting failure for USF since Day one.