http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/13/pf/colle...index.html

Illinois 27th at 22.9% since 2008. Arizona at #1 with an 83.6% increase.

Only Alaska, North Dakota and Wyoming have increased public university funding since 2008.

Tuition increases of that magnitude will only continue to drive HS grads seeking a college education to begin at Community Colleges. With institutions like COD & Harper aggressively advocating to add 4 year Bachelor Degree programs to their curriculum
it will be an interesting educational "turf war". COD has Three and 1 programs in place with Roosevelt U, Benedictine U, Lewis U, National Lewis U, Concordia U and Governors State where students can complete the first 3 years of their Bachelors Education at COD and just the final year at a 4 year university.

https://www.cod.edu/academics/transfer_p...plus1.aspx

The 6 universities in the program have also agreed to reduce their tuition costs for the 1 year that students attend class on their campuses. With GSU (a state institution) one of the 6, makes me wonder whom the next public U will be to become a part of this.

What is disturbing about this trend is the huge tuition increases in low wage "right to work for less" states. Students in those states are facing an even more daunting task of graduating without a mountain of student loan debt since the work they do find will be at lower wage levels.

AZ, FL, LA, GA, AL, CO, TN, VA all at higher average tuition levels than Illinois with KY not far behind.

Politicians for decades have been spending money foolishly to buy your vote. This was inevitable

(05-14-2015 06:38 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Politicians for decades have been spending money foolishly to buy your vote. This was inevitable

Are you suggesting state subsidized education is foolish spending to buy votes?

(05-14-2015 08:32 AM)niuguy Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 06:38 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Politicians for decades have been spending money foolishly to buy your vote. This was inevitable

Are you suggesting state subsidized education is foolish spending to buy votes?

While I can't speak for Klake, I would say that they are spending money foolishly in other places at the expense of higher education.

(05-14-2015 10:33 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 08:32 AM)niuguy Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 06:38 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Politicians for decades have been spending money foolishly to buy your vote. This was inevitable

Are you suggesting state subsidized education is foolish spending to buy votes?

While I can't speak for Klake, I would say that they are spending money foolishly in other places at the expense of higher education.

I would back up Bleeds.

I would also say that it doesn't make sense to assume pumping more money into public education is a good thing, especially on the secondary level. We produce too many useless degrees, and that is a waste. We don't need to increase the number of sociology or poli sci, or even law degrees.

(05-14-2015 08:32 AM)niuguy Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 06:38 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Politicians for decades have been spending money foolishly to buy your vote. This was inevitable

Are you suggesting state subsidized education is foolish spending to buy votes?

Overall spending. Government is wasteful, bloated. When you go shopping do you ever look at price? Govrrnment doesnt care, not their money. Now we have large unfunded pensions and not enough money to go around

(05-14-2015 01:30 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 08:32 AM)niuguy Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 06:38 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Politicians for decades have been spending money foolishly to buy your vote. This was inevitable

Are you suggesting state subsidized education is foolish spending to buy votes?

Overall spending. Government is wasteful, bloated. When you go shopping do you ever look at price? Govrrnment doesnt care, not their money. Now we have large unfunded pensions and not enough money to go around

Plus, real estate owned by the connected clout holders in the city is materially undervalued. The law firms of politicians, such as Eddie Burke and Mikey Madigan, work for their cronies to get reductions in assessed valuations so their buddy real estate magnates pay less in taxes - to the city, county, and state that employ and pay the salaries of Burke and Madigan. Bit of a conflict of interest, I'd say! Collect more in real estate taxes (based on realistic valuations) from the vermin who have their hands in the pockets of the filthy politicians and watch some of the deficits disappear.

There is not a tax dollar that is more punitive on poor people than those dollars that subsidize the kids from wealthier areas like the North Shore to attend higher education. Those kids will receive far more opportunity with a college degree.

The overhead to operate a school has EXPLODED. The ratio of non faculty employees to faculty has sky rocked.

If you want tuition to go down, cut financial aid. Fat chance.

Students are just the middle men, passing their rising education benefits on to the universities to pay rising tuition. It looks like right now we are at the stage where the media creates a tuition crisis. "Look at these poor students that can not afford higher education!"

The next step will be politicians pledging to take more of other people's money to help the poor students pay their rising tuition costs. Duck Durbin has already done that.

I can hear Hillary now saying, "You know, we need to help students pay their tuition, and invest in the future. When I was in Chicago, blah, blah, blah.."

Then tuition costs will go up again, and the universities get the money anyway.

(05-14-2015 01:12 AM)Policiious Wrote:  What is disturbing about this trend is the huge tuition increases in low wage "right to work for less" states. Students in those states are facing an even more daunting task of graduating without a mountain of student loan debt since the work they do find will be at lower wage levels.

AZ, FL, LA, GA, AL, CO, TN, VA all at higher average tuition levels than Illinois with KY not far behind.

I tend to agree with your point of view, but the bolded statement is not accurate:

http://www.flbog.edu/about/_doc/budget/t...-Board.pdf

(05-15-2015 10:27 AM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:12 AM)Policiious Wrote:  What is disturbing about this trend is the huge tuition increases in low wage "right to work for less" states. Students in those states are facing an even more daunting task of graduating without a mountain of student loan debt since the work they do find will be at lower wage levels.

AZ, FL, LA, GA, AL, CO, TN, VA all at higher average tuition levels than Illinois with KY not far behind.

I tend to agree with your point of view, but the bolded statement is not accurate:

http://www.flbog.edu/about/_doc/budget/t...-Board.pdf

Based on the article listed in the first post of this thread, my statement is correct. The issue for public universities (and private U's as well) is that over half of all College Freshman and Sophomores are attending community college which is quite a development when some states have none of these institutions and others like Indiana have only 1 or 2.

Community Colleges are aggressively negotiating with private universities that are under tremendous pressure to do something to at least keep their student enrollment where it is if not grow it; in the future more CC's like DuPage, Harper and others will be forging 3 and 1 agreements with universities which will give students the ability to attend a 4 year university for only 1 year and thereby save thousands off the cost of their degrees since the private U's entering into these agreements are also providing a discount on that only year the student spends at their university.

3 years of community college costs less than 1 year of public U attendance and the 1 year of attending a private U will likely not cost much more than 1 year of public U attendance although I don't have any stats to back that up. Now that Governors State has agreed to a 3 and 1 program on at least some of it's degree programs, when will the next state university agree to do this and how much pressure will that put on NIU, EIU, WIU, SIU, SIUE, UIUS and UIC to follow suit. Private U's also generally offer smaller class sizes than public U's so it will take strategery on the part of the Public U's to compete in this new educational landscape.