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(05-12-2015 05:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 04:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
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NCAA DIVISION I FBS

1 Ohio St 106,296
2 Texas A&M 105,123
3 Michigan 104,909
4 LSU 101,723
5 Penn St 101,623
6 Alabama 101,534
7 Tennessee 99,754
8 Texas 94,103
9 Georgia 92,746
10 Nebraska 91,249

Neat

I think we had half of the top 14 and placed 13 in the top 30.

Hence you are in the SEC...it has been that way for years.
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(05-12-2015 05:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 05:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(05-12-2015 12:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The Hall of Shame

Akron 9,170
Ball St. 9,389
FIU 11,966
New Mexico St. 12,269
Idaho 12,886
Kent St. 13,544
Northern Ill. 13,563
FAU 14,122
Georgia St. 15,006
Eastern Mich. 15,025
San Jose St. 15,068
Bowling Green 15,228
Western Mich. 15,625
UNLV 15,674
Miami (OH) 15,906
Massachusetts 16,088
Central Mich. 16,306
Western Ky. 16,306
Troy 16,767

Considering their W-L record the last few years, this one's a shocker.

No wonder their AD did not get the Pitt job when he interviewed.

This is why you don't typically see any MAC teams in best of the rest type senarios. They have some decent performers---just zero fan engagement---even by G5 standards.


The only reason is that Northern Illinois appeared on TV a lot which is why the attendance is down. Why go to their games when you can see them on tv in your comfy home? Same with Toledo, Western Michigan, Central Michigan and Bowling Green. Those schools made it up from the games being played on tv.

If you want to be in the Big Boy club...you have to draw for TV games on Saturday.


I think they had some games shown on Saturdays when they played a Big 10 opponent, and they drew a lot of viewers as well. Northern Illinois will do fine on Saturdays as well with over a million viewers against Big 10 opponents. Northern Illinois could beat Big 10, but they can't beat a very awful Arkansas team last year.
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(05-12-2015 02:23 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 12:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The Hall of Shame

Akron 9,170
Ball St. 9,389
FIU 11,966
New Mexico St. 12,269
Idaho 12,886
Kent St. 13,544
Northern Ill. 13,563
FAU 14,122
Georgia St. 15,006
Eastern Mich. 15,025

Those in bold we all know are fabricated. No way has Georgia State or EMU put 10k in the stands for any game last year, let alone averaging 15k. The others on this list are below the FBS standard. NIU is indeed shocking considering how well they have been doing.

Georgia State had 25,000 in the stands for the Georgia Southern game. Of course 20,000 of those were Georgia Southern Fans.

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The MAC TV contract is an albatross to the MAC school's attendance. A steady diet of Wednesday games will hurt almost anyone.
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(05-12-2015 06:45 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The MAC TV contract is an albatross to the MAC school's attendance. A steady diet of Wednesday games will hurt almost anyone.

UMass has 0 of these games in our last year in the conference, plus a team that's expected to improve to the point of bowl contention. It'll be interesting to see what the attendance numbers looks like next year for us.
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(05-12-2015 04:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 03:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Of course if you draw four people per game and those four are Warren Buffet and three of his friends you might be able to compete at the highest level with ease.

It's true, attendance is a very imperfect measurement of a minimum level of viability and wouldn't be anyone's first choice if we could get our hands on real, verified data about athletic department finances. But, more reliable measurements would probably be vetoed by the schools because they are much more intrusive, eg: Audited records of scholarship funding, to verify that each school funds the required minimums of football scholarships and varsity athletic scholarships. Or, setting minimum levels of football funding and athletic funding for each school and verifying them, and then requiring audited records of gross revenue, to verify whether money received from donors, ticket sales, university subsidies, etc., is real or just a fudge by the accountants.

IMO, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors around the publicly-released versions of these numbers, whether they come from athletic departments like Texas, or Texas State, or UT-Rio Grande Valley. No doubt, the real stories are in the data that we don't get to see. But, there's no chance we're ever going to get to see that real data, so we're stuck looking at things like reported football attendance or the sparse and cloudy numbers that the schools report to the federal government.

I learned many years ago (thanks to the Kansas City Star who discovered that Kansas was reporting far more than they could verify with tickets sold of turnstile count, later one of the Tampa area papers did likewise with USF in the early days) that there are two sets of attendance numbers. The ones we see on the NCAA website come from box scores and there is no standard at all how those are created. It can be anything from scanning tickets, tickets distributed, or the SID looking out the press box window and saying 73,158 looks about right.

The second set the NCAA will not release come from a report filed in February where the school has to detail how many were admitted to the game, the number of tickets sold at each price point, etc.

The problem is even the certified numbers are crooked. Learned that during my days doing consulting work in athletics. A former Sun Belt member now in CUSA was treating every donation as a ticket purchase. The booster club paid the money to the ticket office for the tickets, then the booster club "sold" the tickets back to the ticket office to get the cash back into the booster club. The donor never knew they bought a ticket all they knew is they got a tax deductible receipt. One year a new staffer did not know the system and failed to log the transactions "correctly" and they couldn't backdate it to clean it up without running afoul of NCAA rules, so they had to take their lumps and received an attendance warning letter from the NCAA.
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(05-12-2015 04:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 03:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Of course if you draw four people per game and those four are Warren Buffet and three of his friends you might be able to compete at the highest level with ease.

It's true, attendance is a very imperfect measurement of a minimum level of viability and wouldn't be anyone's first choice if we could get our hands on real, verified data about athletic department finances. But, more reliable measurements would probably be vetoed by the schools because they are much more intrusive, eg: Audited records of scholarship funding, to verify that each school funds the required minimums of football scholarships and varsity athletic scholarships. Or, setting minimum levels of football funding and athletic funding for each school and verifying them, and then requiring audited records of gross revenue, to verify whether money received from donors, ticket sales, university subsidies, etc., is real or just a fudge by the accountants.

IMO, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors around the publicly-released versions of these numbers, whether they come from athletic departments like Texas, or Texas State, or UT-Rio Grande Valley. No doubt, the real stories are in the data that we don't get to see. But, there's no chance we're ever going to get to see that real data, so we're stuck looking at things like reported football attendance or the sparse and cloudy numbers that the schools report to the federal government.

What few people realize though is how the attendance standard came about.

When I-A was created there were minimum standards for I-A adopted. Schools had to offer a minimum number of sports and schedule in line with the standards. There were a number of schools that had been historically considered major who did not offer enough sports so an exception was created. Average 17k once every four years in a 30k stadium or over four years in a smaller stadium, OR average 20k home and home once in four or over four years in a smaller stadium OR be a member of a conference where more than half the members met the standard.

In 1981 the power schools wanted out of the NCAA TV deal, the NCAA wanted the money and control so their counter-solution was making the rule that had once been an exception to save some schools not sponsoring enough sports the new standard.

The only reason attendance became critical was to allow the NCAA to control the football TV contract for two more years.

The newer standard of 16 sports, awarding a minimum number of football scholarships and not less than 200 grants in all sports is closer to the spirit of the rules set forth when I-A was created.
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RE: NCAA release 2014 attendance data
(05-12-2015 12:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  1. Southeastern **77,694
2. Big Ten# 66,869
3. Big 12 58,102
4. Pac-12 52,702
5. Atlantic Coast# 50,291
6. American# 29,193
7. Mountain West 25,254
8. Conference USA# 20,455
9. Sun Belt# 18,294
10. Mid-American 15,431
Independents# 52,882

To me the most interesting story is right here.

Let's go back to the numbers in 2003 to compare (2014 numbers)

1. Southeastern 74,059 (up 3,635)
2. Big Ten 70,198 (down 3,329)
3. Big XII 56,352 (up 1,750)
4. Atlantic Coast 51,938 (down 1,647)
5. Pacific-10 51,608 (up 1,094)
6. Big East 46,870 (N/A)
7. Mountain West 32,809 (down 7,555)
8. Conference USA 32,246 (down 11,791)
9. Western Athletic 24,675 (N/A)
10. Mid American 17,820 (down 2,389)
11. Sun Belt 14,325 (up 3,969)

-Out of all conferences the Sun Belt is up the most in attendance from 2003.

-CUSA fans like to talk up their conference but they are the ones who have taken the biggest hit in attendance of all conferences. 11,791 is a 33% cut.

-In 2003 gap between the lowest attended BCS conference (Big East 46,870) and highest attended non-BCS (MWC 32,809) was 14,061

In 2014 the gap between the lowest attended P5 (ACC 50,291) and highest attended G5 (American 29,193) was 21,098 an increase of about 50% in attendance gap between the haves and have nots from 2003.
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(05-12-2015 09:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 12:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  1. Southeastern **77,694
2. Big Ten# 66,869
3. Big 12 58,102
4. Pac-12 52,702
5. Atlantic Coast# 50,291
6. American# 29,193
7. Mountain West 25,254
8. Conference USA# 20,455
9. Sun Belt# 18,294
10. Mid-American 15,431
Independents# 52,882

To me the most interesting story is right here.

Let's go back to the numbers in 2003 to compare (2014 numbers)

1. Southeastern 74,059 (up 3,635)
2. Big Ten 70,198 (down 3,329)
3. Big XII 56,352 (up 1,750)
4. Atlantic Coast 51,938 (down 1,647)
5. Pacific-10 51,608 (up 1,094)
6. Big East 46,870 (N/A)
7. Mountain West 32,809 (down 7,555)
8. Conference USA 32,246 (down 11,791)
9. Western Athletic 24,675 (N/A)
10. Mid American 17,820 (down 2,389)
11. Sun Belt 14,325 (up 3,969)

-Out of all conferences the Sun Belt is up the most in attendance from 2003.

-CUSA fans like to talk up their conference but they are the ones who have taken the biggest hit in attendance of all conferences. 11,791 is a 33% cut.

-In 2003 gap between the lowest attended BCS conference (Big East 46,870) and highest attended non-BCS (MWC 32,809) was 14,061

In 2014 the gap between the lowest attended P5 (ACC 50,291) and highest attended G5 (American 29,193) was 21,098 an increase of about 50% in attendance gap between the haves and have nots from 2003.

The SunBelt would look better if App and Ga Southern were counted in the numbers. They had 23,166 and 21,102. The SunBelt would average 18,980 if they were counted. ODU should be counted with 20,118 for CUSA (though they would barley move the average). I wouldn't count Charlotte yet. They had 13,272.
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(05-12-2015 12:48 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf

Texas Tech 29th nationally in terms of attendance. 3rd in Texas yet we have the 6-7th largest enrollment in Texas.

Some schools get students who become alumni that support the University they graduate from. It appears others brag about large student populations, # of beds on campus and TV Market etc without any support from those students who graduate.

I'm sure some fans would miss their Saturday afternoon at the park to see big name teams come to town. I'm curious why they won't support their University vs the schools they belong with?
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(05-12-2015 08:50 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 04:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 03:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Of course if you draw four people per game and those four are Warren Buffet and three of his friends you might be able to compete at the highest level with ease.

It's true, attendance is a very imperfect measurement of a minimum level of viability and wouldn't be anyone's first choice if we could get our hands on real, verified data about athletic department finances. But, more reliable measurements would probably be vetoed by the schools because they are much more intrusive, eg: Audited records of scholarship funding, to verify that each school funds the required minimums of football scholarships and varsity athletic scholarships. Or, setting minimum levels of football funding and athletic funding for each school and verifying them, and then requiring audited records of gross revenue, to verify whether money received from donors, ticket sales, university subsidies, etc., is real or just a fudge by the accountants.

IMO, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors around the publicly-released versions of these numbers, whether they come from athletic departments like Texas, or Texas State, or UT-Rio Grande Valley. No doubt, the real stories are in the data that we don't get to see. But, there's no chance we're ever going to get to see that real data, so we're stuck looking at things like reported football attendance or the sparse and cloudy numbers that the schools report to the federal government.

I learned many years ago (thanks to the Kansas City Star who discovered that Kansas was reporting far more than they could verify with tickets sold of turnstile count, later one of the Tampa area papers did likewise with USF in the early days) that there are two sets of attendance numbers. The ones we see on the NCAA website come from box scores and there is no standard at all how those are created. It can be anything from scanning tickets, tickets distributed, or the SID looking out the press box window and saying 73,158 looks about right.

The second set the NCAA will not release come from a report filed in February where the school has to detail how many were admitted to the game, the number of tickets sold at each price point, etc.

The problem is even the certified numbers are crooked. Learned that during my days doing consulting work in athletics. A former Sun Belt member now in CUSA was treating every donation as a ticket purchase. The booster club paid the money to the ticket office for the tickets, then the booster club "sold" the tickets back to the ticket office to get the cash back into the booster club. The donor never knew they bought a ticket all they knew is they got a tax deductible receipt. One year a new staffer did not know the system and failed to log the transactions "correctly" and they couldn't backdate it to clean it up without running afoul of NCAA rules, so they had to take their lumps and received an attendance warning letter from the NCAA.

Ouch. Somebody forgot to show the new employee the recipe for cooking the books...
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(05-12-2015 09:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 12:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  1. Southeastern **77,694
2. Big Ten# 66,869
3. Big 12 58,102
4. Pac-12 52,702
5. Atlantic Coast# 50,291
6. American# 29,193
7. Mountain West 25,254
8. Conference USA# 20,455
9. Sun Belt# 18,294
10. Mid-American 15,431
Independents# 52,882

To me the most interesting story is right here.

Let's go back to the numbers in 2003 to compare (2014 numbers)

1. Southeastern 74,059 (up 3,635)
2. Big Ten 70,198 (down 3,329)
3. Big XII 56,352 (up 1,750)
4. Atlantic Coast 51,938 (down 1,647)
5. Pacific-10 51,608 (up 1,094)
6. Big East 46,870 (N/A)
7. Mountain West 32,809 (down 7,555)
8. Conference USA 32,246 (down 11,791)
9. Western Athletic 24,675 (N/A)
10. Mid American 17,820 (down 2,389)
11. Sun Belt 14,325 (up 3,969)

-Out of all conferences the Sun Belt is up the most in attendance from 2003.

-CUSA fans like to talk up their conference but they are the ones who have taken the biggest hit in attendance of all conferences. 11,791 is a 33% cut.

-In 2003 gap between the lowest attended BCS conference (Big East 46,870) and highest attended non-BCS (MWC 32,809) was 14,061

In 2014 the gap between the lowest attended P5 (ACC 50,291) and highest attended G5 (American 29,193) was 21,098 an increase of about 50% in attendance gap between the haves and have nots from 2003.


MWC lost 3 schools in TCU, Utah and BYU. They gain with Boise State, but lost ground with San Jose State and Utah State last year.
If you count the Big East and AAC as the same? They lost the most. Tulane, Tulsa and Temple with U. Conn. did not help the football attendance.
Combined the MWC with the WAC, and subtract TCU, Utah, BYU, Texas State, Idaho, New Mexico State, UTSA, and recalculate for the final attendance between the two conferences.
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(05-12-2015 10:14 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 12:48 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf

Texas Tech 29th nationally in terms of attendance. 3rd in Texas yet we have the 6-7th largest enrollment in Texas.

Some schools get students who become alumni that support the University they graduate from. It appears others brag about large student populations, # of beds on campus and TV Market etc without any support from those students who graduate.

I'm sure some fans would miss their Saturday afternoon at the park to see big name teams come to town. I'm curious why they won't support their University vs the schools they belong with?


UTEP's largest attendance came a couple of years ago when Oklahoma came to town and played. Whoever else that did not showed up almost missed their home team upset Oklahoma.
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(05-12-2015 09:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 12:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  1. Southeastern **77,694
2. Big Ten# 66,869
3. Big 12 58,102
4. Pac-12 52,702
5. Atlantic Coast# 50,291
6. American# 29,193
7. Mountain West 25,254
8. Conference USA# 20,455
9. Sun Belt# 18,294
10. Mid-American 15,431
Independents# 52,882

To me the most interesting story is right here.

Let's go back to the numbers in 2003 to compare (2014 numbers)

1. Southeastern 74,059 (up 3,635) 12 of 12, 12 of 14
2. Big Ten 70,198 (down 3,329) 11 of 11, 11 of 14
3. Big XII 56,352 (up 1,750) 8 of 12, 8 of 10
4. Atlantic Coast 51,938 (down 1,647) 8 of 9, 8 of 14
5. Pacific-10 51,608 (up 1,094) 10 of 10, 10 of 12
6. Big East 46,870 (N/A) 1 of 8 BE/AAC, 1 of 12 BE/AAC--Temple
7. Mountain West 32,809 (down 7,555) 6 of 8, 6 of 12
8. Conference USA 32,246 (down 11,791) 2 of 11, 2 of 14
9. Western Athletic 24,675 (N/A) 0 of 10, 0 of 0
10. Mid American 17,820 (down 2,389) 12 of 14, 12 of 12
11. Sun Belt 14,325 (up 3,969) 4 of 8, 4 of 11--Idaho, NMSU

-Out of all conferences the Sun Belt is up the most in attendance from 2003.

-CUSA fans like to talk up their conference but they are the ones who have taken the biggest hit in attendance of all conferences. 11,791 is a 33% cut.

-In 2003 gap between the lowest attended BCS conference (Big East 46,870) and highest attended non-BCS (MWC 32,809) was 14,061

In 2014 the gap between the lowest attended P5 (ACC 50,291) and highest attended G5 (American 29,193) was 21,098 an increase of about 50% in attendance gap between the haves and have nots from 2003.


I put in the turnover numbers--how many of the 2003 members are still there, now many of the current members were 2003 members.
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(05-12-2015 01:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 12:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The Hall of Shame

Akron 9,170
Ball St. 9,389
FIU 11,966
New Mexico St. 12,269
Idaho 12,886
Kent St. 13,544
Northern Ill. 13,563
FAU 14,122
Georgia St. 15,006
Eastern Mich. 15,025
San Jose St. 15,068
Bowling Green 15,228
Western Mich. 15,625
UNLV 15,674
Miami (OH) 15,906
Massachusetts 16,088
Central Mich. 16,306
Western Ky. 16,306
Troy 16,767

Considering their W-L record the last few years, this one's a shocker.

No wonder their AD did not get the Pitt job when he interviewed.

There is opportunity with Northern Illinois. NIU is a big school with a lot of alumni. I am baffled how difficult it is for this school to attract their former students. NIU is 25 miles from my home. Wisconsin is 90 miles. Illinois is not too far. Notre Dame is not an impossible drive.
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(05-12-2015 04:37 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  Yes our (NIU's) home attendance stinks. It has been in full stink mode for all but 2 games since our home opener in 2011 in my opinion.

There are many reasons and excuses some valid and others reaching a bit much by a homer. Either way it has to get better. We like what our new AD is doing and we did breath a sigh of relief when he didn't get the Pitt job. Basically if he cant do it now then its never going to happen. To push the point across just last week he actually called out the Alums.

http://www.niuhuskies.com/genrel/050615aab.html

This is nice to read.
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(05-13-2015 04:05 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 10:14 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 12:48 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2014.pdf

Texas Tech 29th nationally in terms of attendance. 3rd in Texas yet we have the 6-7th largest enrollment in Texas.

Some schools get students who become alumni that support the University they graduate from. It appears others brag about large student populations, # of beds on campus and TV Market etc without any support from those students who graduate.

I'm sure some fans would miss their Saturday afternoon at the park to see big name teams come to town. I'm curious why they won't support their University vs the schools they belong with?


UTEP's largest attendance came a couple of years ago when Oklahoma came to town and played. Whoever else that did not showed up almost missed their home team upset Oklahoma.

Not correct. UTEP's 2 largest crowds were both over 53k (SRO), one vs Texas in 2008 (one would expect that) the other vs Rice in 2000 when the conference title was within site. In fact, the 30 largest crowds for a home UTEP game, all over 40k, only 2 were against current P5 opponents, Texas in 2008 and Texas Tech in 2006.

The Oklahoma game you referred to was played in 2012 and had a very disappointing crowd of barely over 40k which is not in the top 30 crowds.
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(05-12-2015 05:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 05:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(05-12-2015 12:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  The Hall of Shame

Akron 9,170
Ball St. 9,389
FIU 11,966
New Mexico St. 12,269
Idaho 12,886
Kent St. 13,544
Northern Ill. 13,563
FAU 14,122
Georgia St. 15,006
Eastern Mich. 15,025
San Jose St. 15,068
Bowling Green 15,228
Western Mich. 15,625
UNLV 15,674
Miami (OH) 15,906
Massachusetts 16,088
Central Mich. 16,306
Western Ky. 16,306
Troy 16,767

Considering their W-L record the last few years, this one's a shocker.

No wonder their AD did not get the Pitt job when he interviewed.

This is why you don't typically see any MAC teams in best of the rest type senarios. They have some decent performers---just zero fan engagement---even by G5 standards.


The only reason is that Northern Illinois appeared on TV a lot which is why the attendance is down. Why go to their games when you can see them on tv in your comfy home? Same with Toledo, Western Michigan, Central Michigan and Bowling Green. Those schools made it up from the games being played on tv.

If you want to be in the Big Boy club...you have to draw for TV games on Saturday.

The games NIU has played on Saturday on real TV have done decently with ratings. Better than some P5 vs P5 games on the same channels during the same time slot.
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(05-12-2015 09:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 04:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 03:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Of course if you draw four people per game and those four are Warren Buffet and three of his friends you might be able to compete at the highest level with ease.

It's true, attendance is a very imperfect measurement of a minimum level of viability and wouldn't be anyone's first choice if we could get our hands on real, verified data about athletic department finances. But, more reliable measurements would probably be vetoed by the schools because they are much more intrusive, eg: Audited records of scholarship funding, to verify that each school funds the required minimums of football scholarships and varsity athletic scholarships. Or, setting minimum levels of football funding and athletic funding for each school and verifying them, and then requiring audited records of gross revenue, to verify whether money received from donors, ticket sales, university subsidies, etc., is real or just a fudge by the accountants.

IMO, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors around the publicly-released versions of these numbers, whether they come from athletic departments like Texas, or Texas State, or UT-Rio Grande Valley. No doubt, the real stories are in the data that we don't get to see. But, there's no chance we're ever going to get to see that real data, so we're stuck looking at things like reported football attendance or the sparse and cloudy numbers that the schools report to the federal government.

What few people realize though is how the attendance standard came about.

When I-A was created there were minimum standards for I-A adopted. Schools had to offer a minimum number of sports and schedule in line with the standards. There were a number of schools that had been historically considered major who did not offer enough sports so an exception was created. Average 17k once every four years in a 30k stadium or over four years in a smaller stadium, OR average 20k home and home once in four or over four years in a smaller stadium OR be a member of a conference where more than half the members met the standard.

In 1981 the power schools wanted out of the NCAA TV deal, the NCAA wanted the money and control so their counter-solution was making the rule that had once been an exception to save some schools not sponsoring enough sports the new standard.

The only reason attendance became critical was to allow the NCAA to control the football TV contract for two more years.

The newer standard of 16 sports, awarding a minimum number of football scholarships and not less than 200 grants in all sports is closer to the spirit of the rules set forth when I-A was created.

Exactly. Attendance doesn't matter.

It's only used by FBS haters (usually FCS fans) who would love nothing better than to pull some of the "low-major" FBS teams down to FCS.


In fact, I think that any school who wants to meet the higher minimum requirements of FBS should be allowed to do so, as they choose. They would simply be FBS independents if they don't get an invite to an FBS conference. And that's how CFP money would be controlled. No CFP media deal money to independents. (Doesn't matter to Notre Dame and BYU, they have their own media deals and do get money from bowls appearances directly)
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(05-12-2015 09:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(05-12-2015 12:50 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  1. Southeastern **77,694
2. Big Ten# 66,869
3. Big 12 58,102
4. Pac-12 52,702
5. Atlantic Coast# 50,291
6. American# 29,193
7. Mountain West 25,254
8. Conference USA# 20,455
9. Sun Belt# 18,294
10. Mid-American 15,431
Independents# 52,882

To me the most interesting story is right here.

Let's go back to the numbers in 2003 to compare (2014 numbers)

1. Southeastern 74,059 (up 3,635)
2. Big Ten 70,198 (down 3,329)
3. Big XII 56,352 (up 1,750)
4. Atlantic Coast 51,938 (down 1,647)
5. Pacific-10 51,608 (up 1,094)
6. Big East 46,870 (N/A)
7. Mountain West 32,809 (down 7,555)
8. Conference USA 32,246 (down 11,791)
9. Western Athletic 24,675 (N/A)
10. Mid American 17,820 (down 2,389)
11. Sun Belt 14,325 (up 3,969)

-Out of all conferences the Sun Belt is up the most in attendance from 2003.

-CUSA fans like to talk up their conference but they are the ones who have taken the biggest hit in attendance of all conferences. 11,791 is a 33% cut.

-In 2003 gap between the lowest attended BCS conference (Big East 46,870) and highest attended non-BCS (MWC 32,809) was 14,061

In 2014 the gap between the lowest attended P5 (ACC 50,291) and highest attended G5 (American 29,193) was 21,098 an increase of about 50% in attendance gap between the haves and have nots from 2003.

Not an apples to apples comparison, in most cases.

It would only be legitimate if you looked at which teams were in a particular conference in 2003 and then compared only to those teams still in the conference in 2014.
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