(05-21-2015 03:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:03 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 02:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 02:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 02:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  He admits that he grew up at Kansas. It's too bad we didn't get the grown up version when he was here. Barely a whimper from any of the players when he left.

What were they supposed to say? You saw what happened to Burrell when he voiced his support for Iverson? He got benched for the next 10 games.

So ridiculous on so many levels, I don't know where to start. The short answer is that you hate Pastner so much, that you will say anything, no matter how little sense it makes, to push your agenda. The slightly longer answer...

- Comparing Black's tenure to Iverson's is ridiculous
- Comparing Black, who most of the players have known since grade school, to Iverson is ridiculous
- The notion that a player saying that they would miss Tarik in the offseason would lead to a benching is ridiculous
- The assumption (link?) that Burrell was benched because he said him and Iverson were friends, is ridiculous

Again, the short answer is that you hate Pastner.

Wrong again Kemosabe: answer this ... Why was Burrell benched? And as for Black he was the supposed "team leader" who was upset about the way things went down in the Bahamas, where btw he played pretty well. He has one bad practice then he's benched for the rest of the year for a freshman who repeatedly picked up 2 fouls faster than he did. He scored 12 Pts and 7 rebounds in Josh's first NCAA win. And no I don't hate Pastner. I just think he'd be better as a Boy Scout leader or L Ron Hubbard seminar speaker than he will ever be as a basketball coach.

You on the other hand keep bashing a young 20 something kid. I bet you knew everything when you were Tarik's age didn't you

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Black was the team leader the same as Witherspoon and Coleman were team leaders.

Quote:Black, a transfer from Memphis, averaged only 13.5 minutes per game, along with 5.5 points and 3.9 rebounds in his final college basketball season with Kansas. He is strong and physical, weighs roughly 230 lbs and stands at 6’8. Tarik Black failed to live up to his high school hype on the basketball court, but maintains size that may allow him to find a chance in the NBA. That same size could make him better positioned for a future in the NFL.

Quote:ESPN.com's Chad Ford had him ranked 75th, and his one write up of Black just said, “Black was a huge disappointment in Maui. He's strong and physical, but doesn't know how to use his length, athleticism and strength on either end of the floor.”

Quote: As Andy Glockner wrote for Sports Illustrated in May of 2013:

“
At the same time, Black, a highly regarded prospect coming out of high school, never really came close to living up to that reputation at Memphis. He struggled with consistency and intensity, and his similarity scores from this past season (per KenPom.com) relate him to such luminaries as Alex Franklin, Aaron Pogue and Jonathan Kale. Those are mostly nondescript big men from Siena, Cleveland State and Providence, if you were curious. Black's minutes were cut pretty significantly from his sophomore to junior year as almost every stat category dropped off alarmingly. He only started five of Memphis' 32 games last season after being a starter for much of his first two seasons. It's not anywhere close to the projected curve you'd expect from a third-year big man who had ramped up nicely as a sophomore.

Quote:Back in Lawrence, his former college coaches watched with admiration as Black carved out a spot in the league. “He’s the best teammate ever,” KU assistant Norm Roberts said in late February.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...rylink=cpy

Quote:“I grew as a man here,” Black says, pausing to sign an autograph before a KU barnstorming game at De Soto High School on Friday. “That’s more important than putting the basketball in a hoop any day of the week.”

KU Fans...

Quote:Tarik Black does nothing well. His rebounding is mediocre. He can't hedge. He doesn't protect the rim. He can't score. He just isn't a threat. All he does is foul and clog the paint so our slashers can't do anything. It's not a coincidence he and Traylor have the worst offensive ratings on the team. Simply put, they're terrible at the game of basketball. Nice guys, I'm sure. But suck at basketball.

Quote:We should just take Black out to the AFH parking lot and put him down. Completely useless.

Quote:The being a decent but not great rebounder thing is fine. But you need to do something else well somewhere on the floor to help the team. Block shots. Make shots. Get steals. Destroy the offensive glass. Be a defensive stopper in the low block. But so far he is none of those things.

There is not an acceptable number of rebounds in my view. Players need to be looked at for their overall contributions. That is where Black falls down.

Quote:He is not terrible at basketball. He is just not great at it either. This stat to me is pretty telling as to what we are really getting out of our big men. In the minutes Joel Embiid has played, KU has outscored opponents, 268-182. In the minutes Embiid has not played, KU has a 293-292 edge.

Quote:I am talking about what I have been talking about since I first posted in this thread. His rebounding is ok, but he is not doing anything else all that well that it is something he can really hang his hat on.

Quote:I like the fact that he has five fouls to give. I dislike his compulsion to spend those five fouls in the first ten minutes.

Them Pastner haters LOVE to defend Black.

Compare the universally loved Austin Nichols as a Sophomore to the man you love to hate as a sophomore and you will see that they are essentially a wash in production.

(05-21-2015 02:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 02:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 01:34 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 01:07 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 01:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  So now we love Tarik?

LMAO.

He's a great young man. Always has been. Great mom and step dad as well.

WGAS?

He admits that he grew up at Kansas. It's too bad we didn't get the grown up version when he was here. Barely a whimper from any of the players when he left.

What were they supposed to say? You saw what happened to Burrell when he voiced his support for Iverson? He got benched for the next 10 games.

What’s odd is after Burrell was put in the doghouse no one really mentioned it on the forums (IIRC).

If Austin didn’t get injured and Nick wasn’t also in the doghouse, Burrell wouldn’t have gotten the PT in the final few games and prove he could be effective and help to carry the team.

(05-21-2015 03:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:03 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 02:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 02:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  What were they supposed to say? You saw what happened to Burrell when he voiced his support for Iverson? He got benched for the next 10 games.

So ridiculous on so many levels, I don't know where to start. The short answer is that you hate Pastner so much, that you will say anything, no matter how little sense it makes, to push your agenda. The slightly longer answer...

- Comparing Black's tenure to Iverson's is ridiculous
- Comparing Black, who most of the players have known since grade school, to Iverson is ridiculous
- The notion that a player saying that they would miss Tarik in the offseason would lead to a benching is ridiculous
- The assumption (link?) that Burrell was benched because he said him and Iverson were friends, is ridiculous

Again, the short answer is that you hate Pastner.

Wrong again Kemosabe: answer this ... Why was Burrell benched? And as for Black he was the supposed "team leader" who was upset about the way things went down in the Bahamas, where btw he played pretty well. He has one bad practice then he's benched for the rest of the year for a freshman who repeatedly picked up 2 fouls faster than he did. He scored 12 Pts and 7 rebounds in Josh's first NCAA win. And no I don't hate Pastner. I just think he'd be better as a Boy Scout leader or L Ron Hubbard seminar speaker than he will ever be as a basketball coach.

You on the other hand keep bashing a young 20 something kid. I bet you knew everything when you were Tarik's age didn't you

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Black was the team leader the same as Witherspoon and Coleman were team leaders.

Quote:Black, a transfer from Memphis, averaged only 13.5 minutes per game, along with 5.5 points and 3.9 rebounds in his final college basketball season with Kansas. He is strong and physical, weighs roughly 230 lbs and stands at 6’8. Tarik Black failed to live up to his high school hype on the basketball court, but maintains size that may allow him to find a chance in the NBA. That same size could make him better positioned for a future in the NFL.

Quote:ESPN.com's Chad Ford had him ranked 75th, and his one write up of Black just said, “Black was a huge disappointment in Maui. He's strong and physical, but doesn't know how to use his length, athleticism and strength on either end of the floor.”

Quote: As Andy Glockner wrote for Sports Illustrated in May of 2013:

“
At the same time, Black, a highly regarded prospect coming out of high school, never really came close to living up to that reputation at Memphis. He struggled with consistency and intensity, and his similarity scores from this past season (per KenPom.com) relate him to such luminaries as Alex Franklin, Aaron Pogue and Jonathan Kale. Those are mostly nondescript big men from Siena, Cleveland State and Providence, if you were curious. Black's minutes were cut pretty significantly from his sophomore to junior year as almost every stat category dropped off alarmingly. He only started five of Memphis' 32 games last season after being a starter for much of his first two seasons. It's not anywhere close to the projected curve you'd expect from a third-year big man who had ramped up nicely as a sophomore.

Quote:Back in Lawrence, his former college coaches watched with admiration as Black carved out a spot in the league. “He’s the best teammate ever,” KU assistant Norm Roberts said in late February.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...rylink=cpy

Quote:“I grew as a man here,” Black says, pausing to sign an autograph before a KU barnstorming game at De Soto High School on Friday. “That’s more important than putting the basketball in a hoop any day of the week.”

KU Fans...

Quote:Tarik Black does nothing well. His rebounding is mediocre. He can't hedge. He doesn't protect the rim. He can't score. He just isn't a threat. All he does is foul and clog the paint so our slashers can't do anything. It's not a coincidence he and Traylor have the worst offensive ratings on the team. Simply put, they're terrible at the game of basketball. Nice guys, I'm sure. But suck at basketball.

Quote:We should just take Black out to the AFH parking lot and put him down. Completely useless.

Quote:The being a decent but not great rebounder thing is fine. But you need to do something else well somewhere on the floor to help the team. Block shots. Make shots. Get steals. Destroy the offensive glass. Be a defensive stopper in the low block. But so far he is none of those things.

There is not an acceptable number of rebounds in my view. Players need to be looked at for their overall contributions. That is where Black falls down.

Quote:He is not terrible at basketball. He is just not great at it either. This stat to me is pretty telling as to what we are really getting out of our big men. In the minutes Joel Embiid has played, KU has outscored opponents, 268-182. In the minutes Embiid has not played, KU has a 293-292 edge.

Quote:I am talking about what I have been talking about since I first posted in this thread. His rebounding is ok, but he is not doing anything else all that well that it is something he can really hang his hat on.

Quote:I like the fact that he has five fouls to give. I dislike his compulsion to spend those five fouls in the first ten minutes.

Them Pastner haters LOVE to defend Black.

Compare the universally loved Austin Nichols as a Sophomore to the man you love to hate as a sophomore and you will see that they are essentially a wash in production.

Who said anything about hating Black? Just you and the other comedian. Your love for Black is solely based on your hate for Pastner. When Scooter left; NOBODY was hating on him, and his production was much better than Black's was.

(05-22-2015 09:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:03 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 02:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  So ridiculous on so many levels, I don't know where to start. The short answer is that you hate Pastner so much, that you will say anything, no matter how little sense it makes, to push your agenda. The slightly longer answer...

- Comparing Black's tenure to Iverson's is ridiculous
- Comparing Black, who most of the players have known since grade school, to Iverson is ridiculous
- The notion that a player saying that they would miss Tarik in the offseason would lead to a benching is ridiculous
- The assumption (link?) that Burrell was benched because he said him and Iverson were friends, is ridiculous

Again, the short answer is that you hate Pastner.

Wrong again Kemosabe: answer this ... Why was Burrell benched? And as for Black he was the supposed "team leader" who was upset about the way things went down in the Bahamas, where btw he played pretty well. He has one bad practice then he's benched for the rest of the year for a freshman who repeatedly picked up 2 fouls faster than he did. He scored 12 Pts and 7 rebounds in Josh's first NCAA win. And no I don't hate Pastner. I just think he'd be better as a Boy Scout leader or L Ron Hubbard seminar speaker than he will ever be as a basketball coach.

You on the other hand keep bashing a young 20 something kid. I bet you knew everything when you were Tarik's age didn't you

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Black was the team leader the same as Witherspoon and Coleman were team leaders.

Quote:Black, a transfer from Memphis, averaged only 13.5 minutes per game, along with 5.5 points and 3.9 rebounds in his final college basketball season with Kansas. He is strong and physical, weighs roughly 230 lbs and stands at 6’8. Tarik Black failed to live up to his high school hype on the basketball court, but maintains size that may allow him to find a chance in the NBA. That same size could make him better positioned for a future in the NFL.

Quote:ESPN.com's Chad Ford had him ranked 75th, and his one write up of Black just said, “Black was a huge disappointment in Maui. He's strong and physical, but doesn't know how to use his length, athleticism and strength on either end of the floor.”

Quote: As Andy Glockner wrote for Sports Illustrated in May of 2013:

“
At the same time, Black, a highly regarded prospect coming out of high school, never really came close to living up to that reputation at Memphis. He struggled with consistency and intensity, and his similarity scores from this past season (per KenPom.com) relate him to such luminaries as Alex Franklin, Aaron Pogue and Jonathan Kale. Those are mostly nondescript big men from Siena, Cleveland State and Providence, if you were curious. Black's minutes were cut pretty significantly from his sophomore to junior year as almost every stat category dropped off alarmingly. He only started five of Memphis' 32 games last season after being a starter for much of his first two seasons. It's not anywhere close to the projected curve you'd expect from a third-year big man who had ramped up nicely as a sophomore.

Quote:Back in Lawrence, his former college coaches watched with admiration as Black carved out a spot in the league. “He’s the best teammate ever,” KU assistant Norm Roberts said in late February.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...rylink=cpy

Quote:“I grew as a man here,” Black says, pausing to sign an autograph before a KU barnstorming game at De Soto High School on Friday. “That’s more important than putting the basketball in a hoop any day of the week.”

KU Fans...

Quote:Tarik Black does nothing well. His rebounding is mediocre. He can't hedge. He doesn't protect the rim. He can't score. He just isn't a threat. All he does is foul and clog the paint so our slashers can't do anything. It's not a coincidence he and Traylor have the worst offensive ratings on the team. Simply put, they're terrible at the game of basketball. Nice guys, I'm sure. But suck at basketball.

Quote:We should just take Black out to the AFH parking lot and put him down. Completely useless.

Quote:The being a decent but not great rebounder thing is fine. But you need to do something else well somewhere on the floor to help the team. Block shots. Make shots. Get steals. Destroy the offensive glass. Be a defensive stopper in the low block. But so far he is none of those things.

There is not an acceptable number of rebounds in my view. Players need to be looked at for their overall contributions. That is where Black falls down.

Quote:He is not terrible at basketball. He is just not great at it either. This stat to me is pretty telling as to what we are really getting out of our big men. In the minutes Joel Embiid has played, KU has outscored opponents, 268-182. In the minutes Embiid has not played, KU has a 293-292 edge.

Quote:I am talking about what I have been talking about since I first posted in this thread. His rebounding is ok, but he is not doing anything else all that well that it is something he can really hang his hat on.

Quote:I like the fact that he has five fouls to give. I dislike his compulsion to spend those five fouls in the first ten minutes.

Them Pastner haters LOVE to defend Black.

Compare the universally loved Austin Nichols as a Sophomore to the man you love to hate as a sophomore and you will see that they are essentially a wash in production.

Who said anything about hating Black? Just you and the other comedian. Your love for Black is solely based on your hate for Pastner. When Scooter left; NOBODY was hating on him, and his production was much better than Black's was.

I don't love Black...Just want him accurately portrayed which you are not doing. Black was as productive as Austin his sophomore year yet you never mention that, you only mention the negatives about him.

(05-21-2015 07:21 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 02:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 02:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 01:34 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 01:07 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  He's a great young man. Always has been. Great mom and step dad as well.

WGAS?

He admits that he grew up at Kansas. It's too bad we didn't get the grown up version when he was here. Barely a whimper from any of the players when he left.

What were they supposed to say? You saw what happened to Burrell when he voiced his support for Iverson? He got benched for the next 10 games.

What’s odd is after Burrell was put in the doghouse no one really mentioned it on the forums (IIRC).

If Austin didn’t get injured and Nick wasn’t also in the doghouse, Burrell wouldn’t have gotten the PT in the final few games and prove he could be effective and help to carry the team.

That would be the clown argument in a nutshell. The reality is that Burrell said that Iverson transferring was best for the team, and that Burrell was going through a 5 game stretch where he was 10-33 from the field.

(05-22-2015 09:08 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:03 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Wrong again Kemosabe: answer this ... Why was Burrell benched? And as for Black he was the supposed "team leader" who was upset about the way things went down in the Bahamas, where btw he played pretty well. He has one bad practice then he's benched for the rest of the year for a freshman who repeatedly picked up 2 fouls faster than he did. He scored 12 Pts and 7 rebounds in Josh's first NCAA win. And no I don't hate Pastner. I just think he'd be better as a Boy Scout leader or L Ron Hubbard seminar speaker than he will ever be as a basketball coach.

You on the other hand keep bashing a young 20 something kid. I bet you knew everything when you were Tarik's age didn't you

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Black was the team leader the same as Witherspoon and Coleman were team leaders.

Quote:Black, a transfer from Memphis, averaged only 13.5 minutes per game, along with 5.5 points and 3.9 rebounds in his final college basketball season with Kansas. He is strong and physical, weighs roughly 230 lbs and stands at 6’8. Tarik Black failed to live up to his high school hype on the basketball court, but maintains size that may allow him to find a chance in the NBA. That same size could make him better positioned for a future in the NFL.

Quote:ESPN.com's Chad Ford had him ranked 75th, and his one write up of Black just said, “Black was a huge disappointment in Maui. He's strong and physical, but doesn't know how to use his length, athleticism and strength on either end of the floor.”

Quote: As Andy Glockner wrote for Sports Illustrated in May of 2013:

“
At the same time, Black, a highly regarded prospect coming out of high school, never really came close to living up to that reputation at Memphis. He struggled with consistency and intensity, and his similarity scores from this past season (per KenPom.com) relate him to such luminaries as Alex Franklin, Aaron Pogue and Jonathan Kale. Those are mostly nondescript big men from Siena, Cleveland State and Providence, if you were curious. Black's minutes were cut pretty significantly from his sophomore to junior year as almost every stat category dropped off alarmingly. He only started five of Memphis' 32 games last season after being a starter for much of his first two seasons. It's not anywhere close to the projected curve you'd expect from a third-year big man who had ramped up nicely as a sophomore.

Quote:Back in Lawrence, his former college coaches watched with admiration as Black carved out a spot in the league. “He’s the best teammate ever,” KU assistant Norm Roberts said in late February.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...rylink=cpy

Quote:“I grew as a man here,” Black says, pausing to sign an autograph before a KU barnstorming game at De Soto High School on Friday. “That’s more important than putting the basketball in a hoop any day of the week.”

KU Fans...

Quote:Tarik Black does nothing well. His rebounding is mediocre. He can't hedge. He doesn't protect the rim. He can't score. He just isn't a threat. All he does is foul and clog the paint so our slashers can't do anything. It's not a coincidence he and Traylor have the worst offensive ratings on the team. Simply put, they're terrible at the game of basketball. Nice guys, I'm sure. But suck at basketball.

Quote:We should just take Black out to the AFH parking lot and put him down. Completely useless.

Quote:The being a decent but not great rebounder thing is fine. But you need to do something else well somewhere on the floor to help the team. Block shots. Make shots. Get steals. Destroy the offensive glass. Be a defensive stopper in the low block. But so far he is none of those things.

There is not an acceptable number of rebounds in my view. Players need to be looked at for their overall contributions. That is where Black falls down.

Quote:He is not terrible at basketball. He is just not great at it either. This stat to me is pretty telling as to what we are really getting out of our big men. In the minutes Joel Embiid has played, KU has outscored opponents, 268-182. In the minutes Embiid has not played, KU has a 293-292 edge.

Quote:I am talking about what I have been talking about since I first posted in this thread. His rebounding is ok, but he is not doing anything else all that well that it is something he can really hang his hat on.

Quote:I like the fact that he has five fouls to give. I dislike his compulsion to spend those five fouls in the first ten minutes.

Them Pastner haters LOVE to defend Black.

Compare the universally loved Austin Nichols as a Sophomore to the man you love to hate as a sophomore and you will see that they are essentially a wash in production.

Who said anything about hating Black? Just you and the other comedian. Your love for Black is solely based on your hate for Pastner. When Scooter left; NOBODY was hating on him, and his production was much better than Black's was.

I don't love Black...Just want him accurately portrayed which you are not doing. Black was as productive as Austin his sophomore year yet you never mention that, you only mention the negatives about him.

I am portraying him very accurately; now and then. He did what was best for him, which was fine, but in doing so he knew that he was putting the program and his teammates in a very difficult spot. His attitude while he was at Memphis combined with that is why only Pastner haters will defend him.

Hate Pastner and defend Black. We all get it.

(05-22-2015 09:20 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:08 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Black was the team leader the same as Witherspoon and Coleman were team leaders.





Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...rylink=cpy


KU Fans...







Them Pastner haters LOVE to defend Black.

Compare the universally loved Austin Nichols as a Sophomore to the man you love to hate as a sophomore and you will see that they are essentially a wash in production.

Who said anything about hating Black? Just you and the other comedian. Your love for Black is solely based on your hate for Pastner. When Scooter left; NOBODY was hating on him, and his production was much better than Black's was.

I don't love Black...Just want him accurately portrayed which you are not doing. Black was as productive as Austin his sophomore year yet you never mention that, you only mention the negatives about him.

I am portraying him very accurately; now and then. He did what was best for him, which was fine, but in doing so he knew that he was putting the program and his teammates in a very difficult spot. His attitude while he was at Memphis combined with that is why only Pastner haters will defend him.

Hate Pastner and defend Black. We all get it.

It sure seems like you are slamming Black. It sure doesn't seem like you are respecting his decision.

(05-22-2015 09:34 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:20 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:08 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-22-2015 09:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 03:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Compare the universally loved Austin Nichols as a Sophomore to the man you love to hate as a sophomore and you will see that they are essentially a wash in production.

Who said anything about hating Black? Just you and the other comedian. Your love for Black is solely based on your hate for Pastner. When Scooter left; NOBODY was hating on him, and his production was much better than Black's was.

I don't love Black...Just want him accurately portrayed which you are not doing. Black was as productive as Austin his sophomore year yet you never mention that, you only mention the negatives about him.

I am portraying him very accurately; now and then. He did what was best for him, which was fine, but in doing so he knew that he was putting the program and his teammates in a very difficult spot. His attitude while he was at Memphis combined with that is why only Pastner haters will defend him.

Hate Pastner and defend Black. We all get it.

It sure seems like you are slamming Black. It sure doesn't seem like you are respecting his decision.

I have been very consistent, but I don't expect posters to sift through my posts to know where I stand. For the record...

The Good
- I respect his decision completely. It wasn't working out the way he wanted and leaving was the right move
- I am thrilled that he chose to come to Memphis and help rebuild the program
- I think he mostly tried hard. You could see that it really bothered him when he made mistakes
- I am 100% certain that he is a very good person

The Bad
- Many players in his position would have stayed, knowing what the consequences were going to be if they left
- Many players in his position, would have had a strong bond with his teammates that he had known since early high school
- By many accounts, begged out of a lot of practices due to minor injuries
- By many accounts, not a great attitude and at odds with a lot of teammates
- Did not improve at Kansas
- By HIS own admission; he grew up a lot at Kansas. This is an admission that he wasn't a grown up at Memphis

I don't have anything against Antonio Barton even though he went to UT. I don't have anything against Drew Barham, Pookie, Tre'Von, Wilson, Robinson or King.

I don't have any reason to cheer for Black or Scooter. Black was disruptive and should have worked harder to be a better player when he was here. I sure don't hate him, but there is ZERO reason for any Memphis fan to defend him or Scooter.

Reading through this thread, it sounds like Josh needs to recruit more talented players or guys he can develop.

Good luck to Pookie!