(05-10-2015 09:40 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 05:35 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 03:41 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  A grown ass man downs alcohol for HIS own purposes and others are to be blamed? No one tied him to a chair and water boarded him with alcohol. He decided to pledge that fraternity, he decided to consume that alcohol, many of us have over indulged and did not die. Sorry he died, but the primary reason he died was because of his actions and beliefs.

Exactly. He was never forced to do anything.

PrideinthePack, when you replied NIU's reason for having a hazing policy is "Good PR," do you really believe that? So that's the only reason "hazing policies" were created.....how utterly naive.

NIUfilmaker, you really believe a court of law is worried about "placating the press or greek-haters?"....you clearly drew a low card when the logical thinking deck was being cut.

NIU005 and PrideinthePack, did you guys belong to a fraternity? What do you think not cooperating does for someone's standing in such an organization?
zdsmith has the courage to note that "social pressures can be a huge deal," but that doesn't matter in your thinking unless someone's "tied to a chair."
As huskiebob notes, "you could make a strong case that they got off easy."
Perhaps you guys are aware there are laws that can hold bar owners or bartenders liable for someone over-consuming? Substitute "fraternity" and "brothers" and the law still applies. Not one person considered the number of rooms, questions, etc. and multiplied that by the alcohol in a shot and figured that could eventually get dangerous?
The only thing sadder than this situation -- for everyone, the parents who lost a son and the fraternity members whose lifes are now permanently affected -- is how callous you guys can be. Seriously, hope none of you lose a family member or ever make a decision that conflicts with a law.

Judges and juries are effected on a regular basis by the press, moron.

WTF.... Theres 20,000 students at NIU 10,0000 guys and 9,900 don;t won;t to be Pikes. HE made a choice and a bad one at that.

Never was a member of a frat and yes I have a history of bad choices and sometimes I had to pay the consequences and some I got lucky and did not. Either way it was my decision and my action

(05-10-2015 03:44 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Judges and juries are effected on a regular basis by the press, moron.

You have any evidence to back up your assertion that judges "are affected on a regular basis by the press" instead of following the law?
As far as moronic statements go, exactly which "press" do you believe wasn't "placated" by this verdict? The Northern Star, The Daily Chronicle, WMAQ-TV, WLS-AM?

(05-10-2015 06:54 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(05-10-2015 03:44 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Judges and juries are effected on a regular basis by the press, moron.

You have any evidence to back up your assertion that judges "are affected on a regular basis by the press" instead of following the law?
As far as moronic statements go, exactly which "press" do you believe wasn't "placated" by this verdict? The Northern Star, The Daily Chronicle, WMAQ-TV, WLS-AM?

The entire english speaking world knows that trials can be effected by the press, thats why requests for changes in venue are made for much-publicized cases. Both judges and juries read the news...

I don't think the press was placated in this instance, and I'm glad it wasn't.

(05-11-2015 04:24 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  .... judges and juries read the news...
I don't think the press was placated in this instance, and I'm glad it wasn't.

As asked before, what evidence do you have that a judge is influenced by press coverage. Is your assumption that the press always affects a judge (or jury) against a plantiff or the defendant? Change of venue requests are made because the attorneys believe they'll get a more impartial jury.
Can you please cite an actual example of "press" coverage of this case that shows this verdict didn't "placate" the press (in this instance). If you ever land in court, hope the judge is as unbiased as you are.