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Don't see anything re: Beckmann.

gotta click that link he's referring to and look way down the page or take the direct route.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...c_tim.html

Someone referred to this on another thread. Basically, he's being accused by a former Illinois player of making that player play hurt and the player is standing up for the rights of players everywhere.


Pretty much the gist, not to make lite.


College players shouldn't have to decide between keeping that scholly and making themselves a cripple, not saying the accusation is true, just saying. Kind of glad Chase Nelson decided not to go the NFL route. That guy was hobbling around before he played his first down for UT. I'm sure his brain and degree will take him.

(05-11-2015 09:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Don't see anything re: Beckmann.

I think it's the same subject as posted by Potts regarding Simon Cvijanovic's complaining.

This is more about the state of Illinois, where there is activism to unionize collegiate student athletes, than it is about Tim Beckman.

You can't jump in the pig pen and not get some mud on ya, LOL!

(05-11-2015 10:53 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Don't see anything re: Beckmann.

I think it's the same subject as posted by Potts regarding Simon Cvijanovic's complaining.

This is more about the state of Illinois, where there is activism to unionize collegiate student athletes, than it is about Tim Beckman.

You can't jump in the pig pen and not get some mud on ya, LOL!

complaining is a pretty glib way to put it. He made some clear accusations about the staff not adequately informing him of medical procedures and encouraging him to play through serious injury. I don't know if it's accurate or how honest the guy is, but he wouldn't be the first athlete to realize his coaches and medical staff were sacrificing his long term health to win a game or two (that might keep their high paying jobs).

Illinois is where Northwestern is located and they were at the forefront of efforts to unionize major college sports. Like most Midwestern states it has a strong legacy of unions. I guess you could call it "activism". Others might say "awareness of worker rights" or "organizing". However you wanna put it, I'm pretty glad the unions have been active. Without them we wouldn't have Saturdays off and would be working all day instead of drinking beer and watching football.

(05-11-2015 09:18 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  gotta click that link he's referring to and look way down the page or take the direct route.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2...c_tim.html

Someone referred to this on another thread. Basically, he's being accused by a former Illinois player of making that player play hurt and the player is standing up for the rights of players everywhere.


Pretty much the gist, not to make lite.


College players shouldn't have to decide between keeping that scholly and making themselves a cripple, not saying the accusation is true, just saying. Kind of glad Chase Nelson decided not to go the NFL route. That guy was hobbling around before he played his first down for UT. I'm sure his brain and degree will take him.

Thanks.

(05-12-2015 03:09 AM)pono Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 10:53 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Don't see anything re: Beckmann.

I think it's the same subject as posted by Potts regarding Simon Cvijanovic's complaining.

This is more about the state of Illinois, where there is activism to unionize collegiate student athletes, than it is about Tim Beckman.

You can't jump in the pig pen and not get some mud on ya, LOL!

complaining is a pretty glib way to put it. He made some clear accusations about the staff not adequately informing him of medical procedures and encouraging him to play through serious injury. I don't know if it's accurate or how honest the guy is, but he wouldn't be the first athlete to realize his coaches and medical staff were sacrificing his long term health to win a game or two (that might keep their high paying jobs).

Illinois is where Northwestern is located and they were at the forefront of efforts to unionize major college sports. Like most Midwestern states it has a strong legacy of unions. I guess you could call it "activism". Others might say "awareness of worker rights" or "organizing". However you wanna put it, I'm pretty glad the unions have been active. Without them we wouldn't have Saturdays off and would be working all day instead of drinking beer and watching football.

That's the key to the players' rights issue. Coaches can play a guy who is injured, see that his injury has progressed to a point that the player is no longer injured, and then take away the scholarship for any reason (scholarships are NOT for four years). Yeah, the player got free tuition for a period of time, but now he has to deal with debilitating conditions for possibly the rest of his life and, in cases where scholarships are revoked, might not have an education to fall back on.

What a mamby pamby... and I agree another effort to unionize... if that occurs... so, goes the game... as it stands now, between the crooked refs and the payoffs from the very large Univ's... it doesn't appear to be a fair game any longer...

Exactly. Where was "the union"'s concern for the athletes before the big influx of TV money?

(05-12-2015 03:09 AM)pono Wrote:  complaining is a pretty glib way to put it. He made some clear accusations about the staff not adequately informing him of medical procedures and encouraging him to play through serious injury. I don't know if it's accurate or how honest the guy is, but he wouldn't be the first athlete to realize his coaches and medical staff were sacrificing his long term health to win a game or two (that might keep their high paying jobs).

No doubt. But, by the time they get to college they certainly must be aware of the risks and can choose to take, or not take, the risks. Heck, my dad got a permanent injury playing HS football and he informed me about it when I was a child. (I would have loved to play, but I was a stick figure. My mother shut that aspiration down.) That being said, I do believe health and medical care for student athletes is a very important issue. Maybe instead of letting the P5 suck up the lions share of the TV money, some of it should be used to fund some kind of insurance program for student athletes.

Quote:Illinois is where Northwestern is located and they were at the forefront of efforts to unionize major college sports. Like most Midwestern states it has a strong legacy of unions. I guess you could call it "activism". Others might say "awareness of worker rights" or "organizing". However you wanna put it, I'm pretty glad the unions have been active. Without them we wouldn't have Saturdays off and would be working all day instead of drinking beer and watching football.

I know I probably sound "anti-union." I'm not necessarily against the concept. I have relatives and friends who are in unions. But, I've heard enough comments about how in some unions you have your dues deducted, but get nothing of value in return. So, that, and violence and vandalism as a method of operation has caused me to lose trust and respect for them. I stand against that and do not want that element to have any part in college athletics. A union should not be needed to manage a health insurance program for student athletes.

the basic point of a union is to unify workers who are the essential part of production to improve their working conditions and compensation. by creating a framework for unified action concerns are mediated from a position of greater power. it is because of unionization that most of the basic rights of today's workers exist ( 8 hr workdays, sick leave, vacation days, safe work environments, compensation for on job injuries, etc...). Now, today's unions run the gamut from effective to weak, responsible to shady, true to their rank and file or in bed with management. Overall, our unions are weaker than most other wealthy countries.

when it comes to major college football there is clearly an imbalance between the, literally, billions being made off of fairly small number of athletes who routinely sacrifice their body, time, and energy and the coaches, administrators, NCAA bureaucrats, advertisers, tv stations. the attempt to unionize at northwestern is simply part of a growing movement among high level athletes to respond to the imbalance between the insane money being made off of the games and players and the inconsistencies in their treatment. what is happening at illinois is just the latest example of an athlete speaking up and saying he and others' health and dedication to the team were manipulated by people who do not play but profit greatly off of the players. unions are not the only answer, but those benefitting from the imbalance have only begun to address players' issues now that they are speaking up and organizing, and even then they haven't been very good at providing a model that is more democratic and gives the players more voice in the issues that concern them (like long term health care, scholarship stability).

I've witnessed first hand the lack of concern for the health of athletes. Elite ones get what they need, marginal ones are expendable. Always been that way. Athletic unions may be a good thing but they may also destroy the world of college sports as we know it. Not sure who the manny panty KB refers to, Beckman or the player, but permanent injury is no small matter. Look at the OSU walk-on who committed suicide. Was there a link to his use as cannon fodder? As for the manny pamby comment- thank God for the Internet. I'm thinking that nugget of wisdom never happens if Bob had to say that to The player's face.

(05-13-2015 08:43 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I've witnessed first hand the lack of concern for the health of athletes. Elite ones get what they need, marginal ones are expendable. Always been that way. Athletic unions may be a good thing but they may also destroy the world of college sports as we know it. Not sure who the manny panty KB refers to, Beckman or the player, but permanent injury is no small matter. Look at the OSU walk-on who committed suicide. Was there a link to his use as cannon fodder? As for the manny pamby comment- thank God for the Internet. I'm thinking that nugget of wisdom never happens if Bob had to say that to The player's face.

I think DI athletics has bigger problems than players' unions.

Anyway, Illinois was stupid to hire a head coach with only three years head coaching experience at a MAC school where he never won a championship. Only worse hire was Purdue hiring Kent's coach after two year's HC experience. How's that working out?

I think a union would go too far, but what the Northwestern players did was force people to talk about this. Coaches forcing athletes to play injured, then revoking a scholarship because of that is a big problem. Please share a problem that would be bigger for a governing body and member schools that supposedly care about athletes.

Toledo has had several players hurt and pushed to get back under the Beckman watch. Ryan Casano ? the kicker comes to mind, playing a dinged up Manz in this years Eastern game was just dumb.

in basketball during the first hissssssss cross year I watched a couple practices pre season. terry tubbs was a powerfully built point forward type who initially really impressed everyone. then, he injured a shoulder. I watched cross hisssssss personally challenge and push him through the most physical rebounding drills i've seen in a practice while tubbs winced and grabbed his arm throughout. a week or two later the team was forced to shut him down as his injury worsened. he lost the season and his scholarship and never made it back to division 1 basketball. cross hisssss kept coaching (or playing the ottawa hills aerobic class gigolo circuit which might have been more of his focus) at over $300,000 a year.

And then the Kyle Cameron story comes out: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

(05-13-2015 04:55 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  And then the Kyle Cameron story comes out: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

I had always wondered why only one assistant left UT and followed Beckman. All the others stayed behind to join Matt Campbell as coach. They certainly didn't stay for the money as U of I could have paid more, although they all got raises as UT upped the pot on assistant coaches when Campbell got promoted. Might the way he treated people be part of the story, I am sure we will find out more as time goes by?

Three coaches went with Beckman to Illinois.

Ward
Golesh
Clinkscales

Clinkscales only spent one year at UI and is now at UC

(05-13-2015 04:55 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  And then the Kyle Cameron story comes out: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

Ah, but consider the source: CHICAGO Tribune. The union thing again.

And the issue is hazing. Kind of a remote sidebar, really. Then again, it's Illinois. Maybe a federal Hazing Czar should be appointed.