There obviously has to be some sort of punishment, I don't think many are saying there should be none at all. We just grossly disagree about the "advantage" of slightly under inflated balls. Its just not a big deal as some want to pretend. I speak from experience and also point to common sense with the NFL and its long obsession with increasing offense. This was simply a comfort issue with Brady. Did it work to there advantage on some small level? perhaps so. Did it give them some game changing advantage?....Not even close.

4 games and a 1st round pick seems a bit steep, but I think its the pats history that played a role. Its quite possible the suspension gets cut in half.

The loss of a 1st round pick really stings.

(05-13-2015 04:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There obviously has to be some sort of punishment, I don't think many are saying there should be none at all. We just grossly disagree about the "advantage" of slightly under inflated balls. Its just not a big deal as some want to pretend. I speak from experience and also point to common sense with the NFL and its long obsession with increasing offense. This was simply a comfort issue with Brady. Did it work to there advantage on some small level? perhaps so. Did it give them some game changing advantage?....Not even close.

4 games and a 1st round pick seems a bit steep, but I think its the pats history that played a role. Its quite possible the suspension gets cut in half.

The loss of a 1st round pick really stings.

also a $1million fine isn't there?

(05-13-2015 04:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There obviously has to be some sort of punishment, I don't think many are saying there should be none at all. We just grossly disagree about the "advantage" of slightly under inflated balls. Its just not a big deal as some want to pretend. I speak from experience and also point to common sense with the NFL and its long obsession with increasing offense. This was simply a comfort issue with Brady. Did it work to there advantage on some small level? perhaps so. Did it give them some game changing advantage?....Not even close.

4 games and a 1st round pick seems a bit steep, but I think its the pats history that played a role. Its quite possible the suspension gets cut in half.

The loss of a 1st round pick really stings.

Not a big deal. Righto.

(05-13-2015 01:52 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 01:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 09:30 PM)bengltgrs Wrote:  A gigantic witch hunt...as I understand the situation, a team may adjust the PSI pressure from 12 to 16. Brady chose the lowest. Is this correct?

The lowest allowable PSI is 12.5. The balls were at 10.5. You have never thrown or caught a football in cold weather. Both are infinitely easier with a ball that is underinflated.

That is a fantasy. I played football many times in cold weather. Coached as well.

Brady's numbers with the properly inflated balls dwarfed the deflated ball numbers.

If 10.5 REALLY increased offenses, the NFL would have made this mandatory 30 years ago.

Every rule adjustment they make is designed to increase offense and scoring. That has been the case since the late 70's.

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(05-14-2015 01:03 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 04:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There obviously has to be some sort of punishment, I don't think many are saying there should be none at all. We just grossly disagree about the "advantage" of slightly under inflated balls. Its just not a big deal as some want to pretend. I speak from experience and also point to common sense with the NFL and its long obsession with increasing offense. This was simply a comfort issue with Brady. Did it work to there advantage on some small level? perhaps so. Did it give them some game changing advantage?....Not even close.

4 games and a 1st round pick seems a bit steep, but I think its the pats history that played a role. Its quite possible the suspension gets cut in half.

The loss of a 1st round pick really stings.

Not a big deal. Righto.

Honestly it really doesn't give a huge advantage. Slight probably, but big/huge probably not.

Tom Brady and the Patriots are essentially getting the same treatment as Bruce Pearl...The deed is not the biggest issue, they lying and the cover up is what is being punished.

(05-15-2015 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:03 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 04:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There obviously has to be some sort of punishment, I don't think many are saying there should be none at all. We just grossly disagree about the "advantage" of slightly under inflated balls. Its just not a big deal as some want to pretend. I speak from experience and also point to common sense with the NFL and its long obsession with increasing offense. This was simply a comfort issue with Brady. Did it work to there advantage on some small level? perhaps so. Did it give them some game changing advantage?....Not even close.

4 games and a 1st round pick seems a bit steep, but I think its the pats history that played a role. Its quite possible the suspension gets cut in half.

The loss of a 1st round pick really stings.

Not a big deal. Righto.

Honestly it really doesn't give a huge advantage. Slight probably, but big/huge probably not.

Tom Brady and the Patriots are essentially getting the same treatment as Bruce Pearl...The deed is not the biggest issue, they lying and the cover up is what is being punished.

John Eric Goff, a physicist at Lynchburg College in Virginia and author of Gold Medal Physics, agrees. However, underinflating a ball also carries a slight disadvantage:

"If you reduce the mass of the ball, which happens if you let a little bit of air out, the ball can decelerate faster when you throw it," he says. And that means it won't go as far on each throw.

(05-15-2015 02:28 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:03 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 04:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There obviously has to be some sort of punishment, I don't think many are saying there should be none at all. We just grossly disagree about the "advantage" of slightly under inflated balls. Its just not a big deal as some want to pretend. I speak from experience and also point to common sense with the NFL and its long obsession with increasing offense. This was simply a comfort issue with Brady. Did it work to there advantage on some small level? perhaps so. Did it give them some game changing advantage?....Not even close.

4 games and a 1st round pick seems a bit steep, but I think its the pats history that played a role. Its quite possible the suspension gets cut in half.

The loss of a 1st round pick really stings.

Not a big deal. Righto.

Honestly it really doesn't give a huge advantage. Slight probably, but big/huge probably not.

Tom Brady and the Patriots are essentially getting the same treatment as Bruce Pearl...The deed is not the biggest issue, they lying and the cover up is what is being punished.

John Eric Goff, a physicist at Lynchburg College in Virginia and author of Gold Medal Physics, agrees. However, underinflating a ball also carries a slight disadvantage:

"If you reduce the mass of the ball, which happens if you let a little bit of air out, the ball can decelerate faster when you throw it," he says. And that means it won't go as far on each throw.

Not a problem for the Pats. Most of Brady's passes are slants and screens that rarely go past the line of scrimmage. The real advantage they gained from this was ball security. All of the RB's and WR's benefited from this as well. The Patriots' fumble rate since 2007 (when the rule was changed) has been anomalously low compared to the rest of the league. How many close games have they won that have allowed them to secure a first round bye and avoid a wild card match up with the Steelers or Ravens? How many teams have been robbed of a chance at victory because the Patriots magically never fumble the ******* football, and when they do it rarely bounces far enough away to be recovered by the other team.

If it added no advantage Brady/Belichick would not have done it in the first place

(05-16-2015 06:54 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  If it added no advantage Brady/Belichick would not have done it in the first place

I don't think I've heard anyone regular there was zero advantage gained at all.

At the very least, Brady gained a mental advantage by having the ball at his perfect comfort level, as opposed to the leauge rules.

The disagreement is over the lever of advantage gained, and Brady's numbers before and after the deflated balls don't make much of a case for it being a big advantage.

(05-15-2015 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:03 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 04:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There obviously has to be some sort of punishment, I don't think many are saying there should be none at all. We just grossly disagree about the "advantage" of slightly under inflated balls. Its just not a big deal as some want to pretend. I speak from experience and also point to common sense with the NFL and its long obsession with increasing offense. This was simply a comfort issue with Brady. Did it work to there advantage on some small level? perhaps so. Did it give them some game changing advantage?....Not even close.

4 games and a 1st round pick seems a bit steep, but I think its the pats history that played a role. Its quite possible the suspension gets cut in half.

The loss of a 1st round pick really stings.

Not a big deal. Righto.

Honestly it really doesn't give a huge advantage. Slight probably, but big/huge probably not.

Tom Brady and the Patriots are essentially getting the same treatment as Bruce Pearl...The deed is not the biggest issue, they lying and the cover up is what is being punished.

Not a huge advantage. Kind of like only needing 9 yards for a first down, or getting 5 downs every now and then.

(05-12-2015 09:37 AM)Mimi Wrote:  He and NE thumbed their noses at rules. They have done it before. They will do it again. Had he cooperated when this came out, he would have been suspended for the Super Bowl.

Gee, Kraft is upset? Shocking.

Agreed.