(05-12-2015 10:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here is my concern when it comes to student fees.

We are moving into a phase where competition for students is going to become more fierce.
Total college enrollment is expected to fall over the next decade and right now the political trend is that funding for higher ed is easy to cut with little political fallout.

So schools will be competing for fewer students while many schools will likely increase how many students they admit in order to gain tuition and fee income.

If a school is highly dependent on university and student income for athletics they could be in dire financial straits if they lose enrollment or if operating costs increase and those costs cannot be met from the university and student sources.

I just don't see that happening. Enrollment in four year colleges is still trending up. I certainly don't see Texas State trending downward. We were at an enrollment of 29,125 in 2008 and in 2014 we were at 36,790, a 26% increase in just six years. The revenue from the athletic fee was budgeted at $5.2 million in 2008 and in 2015 was budgeted at $16.7 million.

If anything, there is a building boom on college campuses. Every state is different, so if a state is cutting the education budget then that could potentially cause some problems in those states.

(05-14-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 10:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here is my concern when it comes to student fees.

We are moving into a phase where competition for students is going to become more fierce.
Total college enrollment is expected to fall over the next decade and right now the political trend is that funding for higher ed is easy to cut with little political fallout.

So schools will be competing for fewer students while many schools will likely increase how many students they admit in order to gain tuition and fee income.

If a school is highly dependent on university and student income for athletics they could be in dire financial straits if they lose enrollment or if operating costs increase and those costs cannot be met from the university and student sources.

I just don't see that happening. Enrollment in four year colleges is still trending up. I certainly don't see Texas State trending downward. We were at an enrollment of 29,125 in 2008 and in 2014 we were at 36,790, a 26% increase in just six years. The revenue from the athletic fee was budgeted at $5.2 million in 2008 and in 2015 was budgeted at $16.7 million.

If anything, there is a building boom on college campuses. Every state is different, so if a state is cutting the education budget then that could potentially cause some problems in those states.

Expectation is the midwest will bear the brunt but the 10 year trend is bad

(05-14-2015 11:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 10:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here is my concern when it comes to student fees.

We are moving into a phase where competition for students is going to become more fierce.
Total college enrollment is expected to fall over the next decade and right now the political trend is that funding for higher ed is easy to cut with little political fallout.

So schools will be competing for fewer students while many schools will likely increase how many students they admit in order to gain tuition and fee income.

If a school is highly dependent on university and student income for athletics they could be in dire financial straits if they lose enrollment or if operating costs increase and those costs cannot be met from the university and student sources.

I just don't see that happening. Enrollment in four year colleges is still trending up. I certainly don't see Texas State trending downward. We were at an enrollment of 29,125 in 2008 and in 2014 we were at 36,790, a 26% increase in just six years. The revenue from the athletic fee was budgeted at $5.2 million in 2008 and in 2015 was budgeted at $16.7 million.

If anything, there is a building boom on college campuses. Every state is different, so if a state is cutting the education budget then that could potentially cause some problems in those states.

Expectation is the midwest will bear the brunt but the 10 year trend is bad

I imagine that it is a regional thing. Texas in general is growing so the universities are too. uta is at around 35,000 and is about to graduate over 5,000 this semester. there have been many hundreds of millions of dollars of new facilities and upgrades the last few years. enrollment has been on an upward trend for quite a while now.

(05-15-2015 05:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 10:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here is my concern when it comes to student fees.

We are moving into a phase where competition for students is going to become more fierce.
Total college enrollment is expected to fall over the next decade and right now the political trend is that funding for higher ed is easy to cut with little political fallout.

So schools will be competing for fewer students while many schools will likely increase how many students they admit in order to gain tuition and fee income.

If a school is highly dependent on university and student income for athletics they could be in dire financial straits if they lose enrollment or if operating costs increase and those costs cannot be met from the university and student sources.

I just don't see that happening. Enrollment in four year colleges is still trending up. I certainly don't see Texas State trending downward. We were at an enrollment of 29,125 in 2008 and in 2014 we were at 36,790, a 26% increase in just six years. The revenue from the athletic fee was budgeted at $5.2 million in 2008 and in 2015 was budgeted at $16.7 million.

If anything, there is a building boom on college campuses. Every state is different, so if a state is cutting the education budget then that could potentially cause some problems in those states.

Expectation is the midwest will bear the brunt but the 10 year trend is bad

I imagine that it is a regional thing. Texas in general is growing so the universities are too. uta is at around 35,000 and is about to graduate over 5,000 this semester. there have been many hundreds of millions of dollars of new facilities and upgrades the last few years. enrollment has been on an upward trend for quite a while now.

The coming drop in the number of potential students is national. Within the 50 states over the next decade the number of college students is expected to fall.

That does not mean every state or every specific university is going to experience a decline. Even in the states expected to be hit the worst it is likely some schools will see enrollment increase because they will expand their freshmen admissions to generate more revenue.

But the grand total nationally is going to fall and more schools will see numbers fall than see numbers be flat or climb.

(05-15-2015 09:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 05:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 10:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Here is my concern when it comes to student fees.

We are moving into a phase where competition for students is going to become more fierce.
Total college enrollment is expected to fall over the next decade and right now the political trend is that funding for higher ed is easy to cut with little political fallout.

So schools will be competing for fewer students while many schools will likely increase how many students they admit in order to gain tuition and fee income.

If a school is highly dependent on university and student income for athletics they could be in dire financial straits if they lose enrollment or if operating costs increase and those costs cannot be met from the university and student sources.

I just don't see that happening. Enrollment in four year colleges is still trending up. I certainly don't see Texas State trending downward. We were at an enrollment of 29,125 in 2008 and in 2014 we were at 36,790, a 26% increase in just six years. The revenue from the athletic fee was budgeted at $5.2 million in 2008 and in 2015 was budgeted at $16.7 million.

If anything, there is a building boom on college campuses. Every state is different, so if a state is cutting the education budget then that could potentially cause some problems in those states.

Expectation is the midwest will bear the brunt but the 10 year trend is bad

I imagine that it is a regional thing. Texas in general is growing so the universities are too. uta is at around 35,000 and is about to graduate over 5,000 this semester. there have been many hundreds of millions of dollars of new facilities and upgrades the last few years. enrollment has been on an upward trend for quite a while now.

The coming drop in the number of potential students is national. Within the 50 states over the next decade the number of college students is expected to fall.

That does not mean every state or every specific university is going to experience a decline. Even in the states expected to be hit the worst it is likely some schools will see enrollment increase because they will expand their freshmen admissions to generate more revenue.

But the grand total nationally is going to fall and more schools will see numbers fall than see numbers be flat or climb.

I am just not seeing the coming drop. Out here in California they are seeing record numbers of applicants every year at every level. They need to build more schools. UCLA had 112,000 applicants for the fall of 2015, 92,000 freshman applicants. Less than 20% will be accepted. The state of California will be spending an additional $1 billion on community colleges this year in order to add 65,000 students and 600 full-time faculty.

I just can't see California being alone on this. It just seems that a college education is even more important these days in the competitive global environment. Anyway, I don't see student athletic fees really being affected much. I figure theses fees may not increase at the same annual rate as in the past, but they should not decrease.

(05-15-2015 02:57 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 09:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 05:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 07:59 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  I just don't see that happening. Enrollment in four year colleges is still trending up. I certainly don't see Texas State trending downward. We were at an enrollment of 29,125 in 2008 and in 2014 we were at 36,790, a 26% increase in just six years. The revenue from the athletic fee was budgeted at $5.2 million in 2008 and in 2015 was budgeted at $16.7 million.

If anything, there is a building boom on college campuses. Every state is different, so if a state is cutting the education budget then that could potentially cause some problems in those states.

Expectation is the midwest will bear the brunt but the 10 year trend is bad

I imagine that it is a regional thing. Texas in general is growing so the universities are too. uta is at around 35,000 and is about to graduate over 5,000 this semester. there have been many hundreds of millions of dollars of new facilities and upgrades the last few years. enrollment has been on an upward trend for quite a while now.

The coming drop in the number of potential students is national. Within the 50 states over the next decade the number of college students is expected to fall.

That does not mean every state or every specific university is going to experience a decline. Even in the states expected to be hit the worst it is likely some schools will see enrollment increase because they will expand their freshmen admissions to generate more revenue.

But the grand total nationally is going to fall and more schools will see numbers fall than see numbers be flat or climb.

I am just not seeing the coming drop. Out here in California they are seeing record numbers of applicants every year at every level. They need to build more schools. UCLA had 112,000 applicants for the fall of 2015, 92,000 freshman applicants. Less than 20% will be accepted. The state of California will be spending an additional $1 billion on community colleges this year in order to add 65,000 students and 600 full-time faculty.

I just can't see California being alone on this. It just seems that a college education is even more important these days in the competitive global environment. Anyway, I don't see student athletic fees really being affected much. I figure theses fees may not increase at the same annual rate as in the past, but they should not decrease.

One of many articles.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16...88151.html

Nationally numbers are dropping. Enrollments dropped in the early 50's because we ran out of GI Bill students. They started dropping late 60's to early 70's because the boomers moved out of college age (process accelerated by ending draft deferrement for being in college).

It's cyclical.

In 2010 25% of the people in California were under age 18 of course California has space issues. Same year 27.3% of everyone in Texas was under age 18.

Just because a few states have a good supply of younger individuals, that is not the case nationally.

(05-15-2015 04:18 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 02:57 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 09:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 05:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 11:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Expectation is the midwest will bear the brunt but the 10 year trend is bad

I imagine that it is a regional thing. Texas in general is growing so the universities are too. uta is at around 35,000 and is about to graduate over 5,000 this semester. there have been many hundreds of millions of dollars of new facilities and upgrades the last few years. enrollment has been on an upward trend for quite a while now.

The coming drop in the number of potential students is national. Within the 50 states over the next decade the number of college students is expected to fall.

That does not mean every state or every specific university is going to experience a decline. Even in the states expected to be hit the worst it is likely some schools will see enrollment increase because they will expand their freshmen admissions to generate more revenue.

But the grand total nationally is going to fall and more schools will see numbers fall than see numbers be flat or climb.

I am just not seeing the coming drop. Out here in California they are seeing record numbers of applicants every year at every level. They need to build more schools. UCLA had 112,000 applicants for the fall of 2015, 92,000 freshman applicants. Less than 20% will be accepted. The state of California will be spending an additional $1 billion on community colleges this year in order to add 65,000 students and 600 full-time faculty.

I just can't see California being alone on this. It just seems that a college education is even more important these days in the competitive global environment. Anyway, I don't see student athletic fees really being affected much. I figure theses fees may not increase at the same annual rate as in the past, but they should not decrease.

One of many articles.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16...88151.html

Nationally numbers are dropping. Enrollments dropped in the early 50's because we ran out of GI Bill students. They started dropping late 60's to early 70's because the boomers moved out of college age (process accelerated by ending draft deferrement for being in college).

It's cyclical.

In 2010 25% of the people in California were under age 18 of course California has space issues. Same year 27.3% of everyone in Texas was under age 18.

Just because a few states have a good supply of younger individuals, that is not the case nationally.

I will admit that the Midwest and Northeast may have some problems in the future, but I don't see it as a problem for states with growing populations or the larger state schools. I am not sure that it is an issue for Sun Belt schools and is certainly not an issue for Texas State.

By the way, California has plenty of land and more than enough people. What we need is more water...

I think that some Sun Belt schools will fare just fine in this supposed 'lower enrollment' period. For starters, our schools are relatively much more affordable than some other schools. Many of our schools are in fast growing areas too.