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RE: Northern Kentucky
I think 11 football schools is too many unless you aren't going to play each one every season. Why not 2 more non football schools, such as Winthrop, UNCA, Lipscomb, or North Florida?
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Buccaneerlover
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RE: Northern Kentucky
Going past 10 doesn't make a lot of sense unless you're in FBS and want a championship game. 12 got basketball however would be great for home games and I'd be all for convincing Belmont to come with Lipscomb to the Southern. That creates a nice little four team pod with Samford, Belmont, Lipscomb, and UTC.
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RE: Northern Kentucky
UAB will be looking for a home won't they? I think Socon should go hard after them. Since I'm assuming they might have a tough time finding a conference without football.
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RE: Northern Kentucky
UAB will be playing football again. They have raised a lot of money and will reverse their decision pretty soon.
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RE: Northern Kentucky
How about UAB and BELMONT(or Lipscomb) ?
It would definitely help jump the RPI !! Also help with TV market.
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Just Buc
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RE: Northern Kentucky
SoCon has said earlier this year they won't add any non-football schools. If UAB keeps football they'll stay in CUSA. No reason to keep it and then drop to lower conference.
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Just Buc
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-12-2015 09:38 AM)etsubuc Wrote: UAB will be playing football again. They have raised a lot of money and will reverse their decision pretty soon.
Agree but they've effectively killed their program. Already lost a bunch of players, no recruiting done this year, and total lack of trust in admin by everybody.
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-11-2015 05:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote: Liberty has made it pretty clear their next move it to FBS competition.
With the baggage that Liberty has and the "Junk Science" that they teach no IA conference will ever touch them. Its the reason they have been in the Big South since 1991. I know of at least 2 times they have applied for membership to the SoCon and 1 time to the CAA. All 3 times their membership were denied.
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Northern Kentucky
That guy is a creep and if he doesn't bring it back, he loses his job.
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Buccaneerlover
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-15-2015 10:35 AM)HerdZoned Wrote: (05-11-2015 05:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote: Liberty has made it pretty clear their next move it to FBS competition.
With the baggage that Liberty has and the "Junk Science" that they teach no IA conference will ever touch them. Its the reason they have been in the Big South since 1991. I know of at least 2 times they have applied for membership to the SoCon and 1 time to the CAA. All 3 times their membership were denied.
Money has a funny way of changing people's minds, and if it comes to pass that some form of a split happens and a window opens where FCS teams can transfer up without a home or by starting a new one, they'll jump along with us, UTC, Coastal, and the majority of the MVFC and Big Sky.
The one thing I've always known to be true, never say never.
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-15-2015 10:35 AM)HerdZoned Wrote: (05-11-2015 05:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote: Liberty has made it pretty clear their next move it to FBS competition.
With the baggage that Liberty has and the "Junk Science" that they teach no IA conference will ever touch them. Its the reason they have been in the Big South since 1991. I know of at least 2 times they have applied for membership to the SoCon and 1 time to the CAA. All 3 times their membership were denied.
See BYU. If them, why not Liberty?
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-15-2015 02:31 PM)Buc66 Wrote: (05-15-2015 10:35 AM)HerdZoned Wrote: (05-11-2015 05:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote: Liberty has made it pretty clear their next move it to FBS competition.
With the baggage that Liberty has and the "Junk Science" that they teach no IA conference will ever touch them. Its the reason they have been in the Big South since 1991. I know of at least 2 times they have applied for membership to the SoCon and 1 time to the CAA. All 3 times their membership were denied.
See BYU. If them, why not Liberty?
Lol BYU and Liberty are nothing alike, Are you saying that because both or Religious schools or because you are saying Mormonism is a "Junk Science"?
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-15-2015 03:21 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote: (05-15-2015 02:31 PM)Buc66 Wrote: (05-15-2015 10:35 AM)HerdZoned Wrote: (05-11-2015 05:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote: Liberty has made it pretty clear their next move it to FBS competition.
With the baggage that Liberty has and the "Junk Science" that they teach no IA conference will ever touch them. Its the reason they have been in the Big South since 1991. I know of at least 2 times they have applied for membership to the SoCon and 1 time to the CAA. All 3 times their membership were denied.
See BYU. If them, why not Liberty?
Lol BYU and Liberty are nothing alike, Are you saying that because both or Religious schools or because you are saying Mormonism is a "Junk Science"?
Both, rather unique religious schools with money. Probably the usual crowd of academia liberal types would find a number of objectionable issues with both, but money, athletic success, and minority/non-mainline Christian status has been BYU's trump card for acceptance. As for the "junk science" issue, some of the stuff being pushed as legit education by the left these days could be classified as "junk education". Likely, Liberty will buy its way into FCS ranks while waxing its image into a more palpable brand.
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-15-2015 06:39 PM)Buc66 Wrote: (05-15-2015 03:21 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote: (05-15-2015 02:31 PM)Buc66 Wrote: (05-15-2015 10:35 AM)HerdZoned Wrote: (05-11-2015 05:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote: Liberty has made it pretty clear their next move it to FBS competition.
With the baggage that Liberty has and the "Junk Science" that they teach no IA conference will ever touch them. Its the reason they have been in the Big South since 1991. I know of at least 2 times they have applied for membership to the SoCon and 1 time to the CAA. All 3 times their membership were denied.
See BYU. If them, why not Liberty?
Lol BYU and Liberty are nothing alike, Are you saying that because both or Religious schools or because you are saying Mormonism is a "Junk Science"?
Both, rather unique religious schools with money. Probably the usual crowd of academia liberal types would find a number of objectionable issues with both, but money, athletic success, and minority/non-mainline Christian status has been BYU's trump card for acceptance. As for the "junk science" issue, some of the stuff being pushed as legit education by the left these days could be classified as "junk education". Likely, Liberty will buy its way into FCS ranks while waxing its image into a more palpable brand.
What junk ed is being pushed? Not to derail the conversation, just curious as to the actual substance of this last comment.
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-15-2015 07:18 PM)shampoo Wrote: (05-15-2015 06:39 PM)Buc66 Wrote: (05-15-2015 03:21 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote: (05-15-2015 02:31 PM)Buc66 Wrote: (05-15-2015 10:35 AM)HerdZoned Wrote: With the baggage that Liberty has and the "Junk Science" that they teach no IA conference will ever touch them. Its the reason they have been in the Big South since 1991. I know of at least 2 times they have applied for membership to the SoCon and 1 time to the CAA. All 3 times their membership were denied.
See BYU. If them, why not Liberty?
Lol BYU and Liberty are nothing alike, Are you saying that because both or Religious schools or because you are saying Mormonism is a "Junk Science"?
Both, rather unique religious schools with money. Probably the usual crowd of academia liberal types would find a number of objectionable issues with both, but money, athletic success, and minority/non-mainline Christian status has been BYU's trump card for acceptance. As for the "junk science" issue, some of the stuff being pushed as legit education by the left these days could be classified as "junk education". Likely, Liberty will buy its way into FCS ranks while waxing its image into a more palpable brand.
What junk ed is being pushed? Not to derail the conversation, just curious as to the actual substance of this last comment.
I am not the one who said that but I have seen some really off the wall quotes and claims by Liberty staff.
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Just Buc
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-15-2015 06:39 PM)Buc66 Wrote: (05-15-2015 03:21 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote: (05-15-2015 02:31 PM)Buc66 Wrote: (05-15-2015 10:35 AM)HerdZoned Wrote: (05-11-2015 05:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote: Liberty has made it pretty clear their next move it to FBS competition.
With the baggage that Liberty has and the "Junk Science" that they teach no IA conference will ever touch them. Its the reason they have been in the Big South since 1991. I know of at least 2 times they have applied for membership to the SoCon and 1 time to the CAA. All 3 times their membership were denied.
See BYU. If them, why not Liberty?
Lol BYU and Liberty are nothing alike, Are you saying that because both or Religious schools or because you are saying Mormonism is a "Junk Science"?
Both, rather unique religious schools with money. Probably the usual crowd of academia liberal types would find a number of objectionable issues with both, but money, athletic success, and minority/non-mainline Christian status has been BYU's trump card for acceptance. As for the "junk science" issue, some of the stuff being pushed as legit education by the left these days could be classified as "junk education". Likely, Liberty will buy its way into FCS ranks while waxing its image into a more palpable brand.
Doubt Liberty is going anywhere until they prove they can actually compete for and win something that matters to a better conference regardless of how much money they have. They don't have much to offer at this point.
(This post was last modified: 05-16-2015 06:30 AM by Just Buc.)
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RE: Northern Kentucky
really struggle to think SoCon would take Coastal Carolina. believe the private schools would fight this (although CCU has a really nice athletics program). also, although Liberty has stated they want to go to FBS, have to believe it would jump at the chance to join SoCon. However, this is another school i cannot see being accepted by the other SoCon members. The funding model of the school will scare the daylights out of all of them. Liberty has a massive on-line program that brings its enrollment to pushing 90,000. LU is printing its own money right now (check out their website and their facilities - quite impressive). simply do not see the other schools feeling comfortable about this
(05-11-2015 03:39 PM)buc1984 Wrote: With the Atlantic Sun needing to expand, should the Southern Conference be proactive and expand by two football playing schools? Currently the Southern stands at 10 members with 1 non-football school (UNCG). By adding two, the conference would have 12 members with 11 playing football. Schools would play 10 conference games a year with 5 home and 5 away games. Possibilities include Coastal Carolina and Kennesaw State on the public school side and Presbyterian and Liberty on the private school side.
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RE: Northern Kentucky
I don't have a strong opinion on Liberty, but in light of the funding model discussion and overall conversation of a religious private institution being accepted into a conference...I think it is important to note that BYU is considered a legitimate D1 school and is fully accepted.
Keep in mind that the LDS have all sorts of odd/different beliefs and they wear magic underwear (those who have passed endowment wear temple garments/undies all the time). I think that BYU being fully accepted is a bigger deal than how Liberty raises funds.
Also, let us all remember that Jim McMahon was two-time All American at BYU. And Steve Young used to take off his magic underwear before each 49ers games.
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RE: Northern Kentucky
(05-15-2015 07:18 PM)shampoo Wrote: What junk ed is being pushed? Not to derail the conversation, just curious as to the actual substance of this last comment.
They teach creationism as a science credit. They have a dinosaur fossil on campus and claim its just over 3,000 years old.
That's "Junk Science"
As far as buying their way into a IA conference, they have already tried that and failed. They offered the SB 1.5 million to join and offered CUSA double the entrance fee. Both conference told them "No Thanks".
I know a lady that I graduated HS with, she had a scholarship to go to Liberty. This is a lady that never misses church no mater what. She left Liberty with in 2 weeks of getting there. She said the people that run it are crazy. At that time it was Jerry Falwell and his son. The older is gone but his son carries on his same ideals.
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