(05-13-2015 06:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 02:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 11:16 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 11:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Big XII

You wish. Dream on, Alice.

It's nice that you feel some loyalty to the conference that saved you, I guess.

But WV is a Big East school. Not a XII school. Please. You're not in Texas.

If you want to get truly technical on the matter, West Virginia University is a major eastern independent, which its been since leaving the old Southern Conference. Big East football was entirely composed of major eastern independents. Associations change. But that's it.

Fair enough.

WV is certainly not located in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas. So you have no need for loyalty to the XII.

I'm hoping WV gets into an "Old Big East" division of the ACC. Get the party back together under a new roof.

I'm not. The various schools involved don't share the same goals or ideals, even though they do have a lot of history together. But that's more a symptom of geography than any mutual interests.

The entire east looks down its nose at West Virginia, WVU, and West Virginians in general. Any discussions with WVU generally descended to the people involved resorting to stupid stereotypes, invented by northerners to ridicule those they felt were their inferiors, and ignoring any idea that originated in the State of West Virginia.

The Big XII schools don't do that, since they have more in common with WVU and West Virginia than the eastern schools ever did. The Big XII media doesn't do that either. If the Big XII ever does disappear, which I kind of doubt, WVU would be far better off in the SEC. The ACC would be the last resort. The B1G would be better, even though there's no chance of that. But at least Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State share the same interests. A very select few ACC schools do, which is why it's the bottom choice.

It's not all about geography. And all that travel can be turned into a big advantage. It's all about proper marketing.

(05-14-2015 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 03:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 01:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Apparently the money is still with what we have now. The 4-team playoff distributed over $500 million in net profit to the conferences and schools. Inertia being what it is, the conferences might have to be convinced that an 8-team playoff nets them at least $750 million/year. $470 million of this year's gross revenue comes from ESPN. Sponsorship revenue is already high and might not increase much for going from 4 teams to 8, so getting an extra $250 million probably requires that ESPN (or Fox or whomever) pay almost all of that increase, i.e., the TV rights would have to jump from $470 million/year to about $720 million/year.

So, ESPN would need to payout an additional $250 million for an additional 4 games? That's about $60 million per game, less than half what ESPN is currently paying out per game for the original 3 CFP games. That's within the realm of reasonability.

Remember that ESPN is already paying $80 million *each* for every consolation Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl that aren't playoff games. Those games would be worth quite a bit more as guaranteed playoff games, so I'd say $80 million per game is already just the bare minimum (as the power conferences will only make a move if they'll make more than what they're getting now).

That's a good point; it means that the increase in TV money will have to be more to make the 8-team playoff attractive to the decisionmakers. The value of the Rose and Sugar bowls will go down quite a bit when their best possible team is #9 and those games start looking even more NIT-ish. The Orange and others might lose an even greater percentage of their current value. (Or some of those bowls might go away entirely, replaced by a playoff game hosted at the site of the former bowl game.) So there will have to be additional revenue delivered by the extra round of playoffs to compensate for the lost value of those bowl games.

(05-14-2015 12:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 06:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 02:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 11:16 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  You wish. Dream on, Alice.

It's nice that you feel some loyalty to the conference that saved you, I guess.

But WV is a Big East school. Not a XII school. Please. You're not in Texas.

If you want to get truly technical on the matter, West Virginia University is a major eastern independent, which its been since leaving the old Southern Conference. Big East football was entirely composed of major eastern independents. Associations change. But that's it.

Fair enough.

WV is certainly not located in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas. So you have no need for loyalty to the XII.

I'm hoping WV gets into an "Old Big East" division of the ACC. Get the party back together under a new roof.

I'm not. The various schools involved don't share the same goals or ideals, even though they do have a lot of history together. But that's more a symptom of geography than any mutual interests.

The entire east looks down its nose at West Virginia, WVU, and West Virginians in general. Any discussions with WVU generally descended to the people involved resorting to stupid stereotypes, invented by northerners to ridicule those they felt were their inferiors, and ignoring any idea that originated in the State of West Virginia.

The Big XII schools don't do that, since they have more in common with WVU and West Virginia than the eastern schools ever did. The Big XII media doesn't do that either. If the Big XII ever does disappear, which I kind of doubt, WVU would be far better off in the SEC. The ACC would be the last resort. The B1G would be better, even though there's no chance of that. But at least Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State share the same interests. A very select few ACC schools do, which is why it's the bottom choice.

It's not all about geography. And all that travel can be turned into a big advantage. It's all about proper marketing.

I agree with the comment about geography not being that big of a deal, at least in terms of fan interest. We were an outlier in the MWC, but we developed some good rivalries and I actually felt fairly strong loyalty fairly quickly there. When it comes down to it, rivalries are made on the field/court, not on a map.

The other thing the B-12/WVU have going for it is this "us against the world" sense. With the rest of the country piling on the league in the court of public opinion, there is a tendency to circle the wagons and paradoxically develop deeper bonds. I think I saw that same phenomenon with the MWC.

(05-14-2015 01:09 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 06:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 02:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It's nice that you feel some loyalty to the conference that saved you, I guess.

But WV is a Big East school. Not a XII school. Please. You're not in Texas.

If you want to get truly technical on the matter, West Virginia University is a major eastern independent, which its been since leaving the old Southern Conference. Big East football was entirely composed of major eastern independents. Associations change. But that's it.

Fair enough.

WV is certainly not located in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas. So you have no need for loyalty to the XII.

I'm hoping WV gets into an "Old Big East" division of the ACC. Get the party back together under a new roof.

I'm not. The various schools involved don't share the same goals or ideals, even though they do have a lot of history together. But that's more a symptom of geography than any mutual interests.

The entire east looks down its nose at West Virginia, WVU, and West Virginians in general. Any discussions with WVU generally descended to the people involved resorting to stupid stereotypes, invented by northerners to ridicule those they felt were their inferiors, and ignoring any idea that originated in the State of West Virginia.

The Big XII schools don't do that, since they have more in common with WVU and West Virginia than the eastern schools ever did. The Big XII media doesn't do that either. If the Big XII ever does disappear, which I kind of doubt, WVU would be far better off in the SEC. The ACC would be the last resort. The B1G would be better, even though there's no chance of that. But at least Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State share the same interests. A very select few ACC schools do, which is why it's the bottom choice.

It's not all about geography. And all that travel can be turned into a big advantage. It's all about proper marketing.

I agree with the comment about geography not being that big of a deal, at least in terms of fan interest. We were an outlier in the MWC, but we developed some good rivalries and I actually felt fairly strong loyalty fairly quickly there. When it comes down to it, rivalries are made on the field/court, not on a map.

The other thing the B-12/WVU have going for it is this "us against the world" sense. With the rest of the country piling on the league in the court of public opinion, there is a tendency to circle the wagons and paradoxically develop deeper bonds. I think I saw that same phenomenon with the MWC.

I've never seen any piling on against the Big 12 outside this forum. Everywhere else the Big 12 is regarded as a fine, elite level conference.

It only gets critiqued here by fans of G5 schools who see it as the best chance for their schools to join the P5, and thus need to pretend that the Big 12 is fatally flawed as it is.

(05-14-2015 12:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 06:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 02:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 11:16 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  You wish. Dream on, Alice.

It's nice that you feel some loyalty to the conference that saved you, I guess.

But WV is a Big East school. Not a XII school. Please. You're not in Texas.

If you want to get truly technical on the matter, West Virginia University is a major eastern independent, which its been since leaving the old Southern Conference. Big East football was entirely composed of major eastern independents. Associations change. But that's it.

Fair enough.

WV is certainly not located in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas. So you have no need for loyalty to the XII.

I'm hoping WV gets into an "Old Big East" division of the ACC. Get the party back together under a new roof.

I'm not. The various schools involved don't share the same goals or ideals, even though they do have a lot of history together. But that's more a symptom of geography than any mutual interests.

The entire east looks down its nose at West Virginia, WVU, and West Virginians in general. Any discussions with WVU generally descended to the people involved resorting to stupid stereotypes, invented by northerners to ridicule those they felt were their inferiors, and ignoring any idea that originated in the State of West Virginia.

The Big XII schools don't do that, since they have more in common with WVU and West Virginia than the eastern schools ever did. The Big XII media doesn't do that either. If the Big XII ever does disappear, which I kind of doubt, WVU would be far better off in the SEC. The ACC would be the last resort. The B1G would be better, even though there's no chance of that. But at least Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State share the same interests. A very select few ACC schools do, which is why it's the bottom choice.

It's not all about geography. And all that travel can be turned into a big advantage. It's all about proper marketing.

Rutgers has the same interests as WV, but Pitt doesn't? Sounds like a far fetched justification from someone who didn't like the old Big East.

(05-14-2015 01:09 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 06:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 02:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 12:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  It's nice that you feel some loyalty to the conference that saved you, I guess.

But WV is a Big East school. Not a XII school. Please. You're not in Texas.

If you want to get truly technical on the matter, West Virginia University is a major eastern independent, which its been since leaving the old Southern Conference. Big East football was entirely composed of major eastern independents. Associations change. But that's it.

Fair enough.

WV is certainly not located in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas. So you have no need for loyalty to the XII.

I'm hoping WV gets into an "Old Big East" division of the ACC. Get the party back together under a new roof.

I'm not. The various schools involved don't share the same goals or ideals, even though they do have a lot of history together. But that's more a symptom of geography than any mutual interests.

The entire east looks down its nose at West Virginia, WVU, and West Virginians in general. Any discussions with WVU generally descended to the people involved resorting to stupid stereotypes, invented by northerners to ridicule those they felt were their inferiors, and ignoring any idea that originated in the State of West Virginia.

The Big XII schools don't do that, since they have more in common with WVU and West Virginia than the eastern schools ever did. The Big XII media doesn't do that either. If the Big XII ever does disappear, which I kind of doubt, WVU would be far better off in the SEC. The ACC would be the last resort. The B1G would be better, even though there's no chance of that. But at least Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State share the same interests. A very select few ACC schools do, which is why it's the bottom choice.

It's not all about geography. And all that travel can be turned into a big advantage. It's all about proper marketing.

I agree with the comment about geography not being that big of a deal, at least in terms of fan interest. We were an outlier in the MWC, but we developed some good rivalries and I actually felt fairly strong loyalty fairly quickly there. When it comes down to it, rivalries are made on the field/court, not on a map.

The other thing the B-12/WVU have going for it is this "us against the world" sense. With the rest of the country piling on the league in the court of public opinion, there is a tendency to circle the wagons and paradoxically develop deeper bonds. I think I saw that same phenomenon with the MWC.

That might be true, but IIRC West Virginia had some pretty strong rivalries back in the day with Pitt and VT.

(05-14-2015 01:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:09 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 06:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 02:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If you want to get truly technical on the matter, West Virginia University is a major eastern independent, which its been since leaving the old Southern Conference. Big East football was entirely composed of major eastern independents. Associations change. But that's it.

Fair enough.

WV is certainly not located in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas. So you have no need for loyalty to the XII.

I'm hoping WV gets into an "Old Big East" division of the ACC. Get the party back together under a new roof.

I'm not. The various schools involved don't share the same goals or ideals, even though they do have a lot of history together. But that's more a symptom of geography than any mutual interests.

The entire east looks down its nose at West Virginia, WVU, and West Virginians in general. Any discussions with WVU generally descended to the people involved resorting to stupid stereotypes, invented by northerners to ridicule those they felt were their inferiors, and ignoring any idea that originated in the State of West Virginia.

The Big XII schools don't do that, since they have more in common with WVU and West Virginia than the eastern schools ever did. The Big XII media doesn't do that either. If the Big XII ever does disappear, which I kind of doubt, WVU would be far better off in the SEC. The ACC would be the last resort. The B1G would be better, even though there's no chance of that. But at least Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State share the same interests. A very select few ACC schools do, which is why it's the bottom choice.

It's not all about geography. And all that travel can be turned into a big advantage. It's all about proper marketing.

I agree with the comment about geography not being that big of a deal, at least in terms of fan interest. We were an outlier in the MWC, but we developed some good rivalries and I actually felt fairly strong loyalty fairly quickly there. When it comes down to it, rivalries are made on the field/court, not on a map.

The other thing the B-12/WVU have going for it is this "us against the world" sense. With the rest of the country piling on the league in the court of public opinion, there is a tendency to circle the wagons and paradoxically develop deeper bonds. I think I saw that same phenomenon with the MWC.

I've never seen any piling on against the Big 12 outside this forum. Everywhere else the Big 12 is regarded as a fine, elite level conference.

It only gets critiqued here by fans of G5 schools who see it as the best chance for their schools to join the P5, and thus need to pretend that the Big 12 is fatally flawed as it is.

Or by people who can see far enough ahead to see the P4 writing on the wall.

(05-14-2015 01:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:09 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 06:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 02:57 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If you want to get truly technical on the matter, West Virginia University is a major eastern independent, which its been since leaving the old Southern Conference. Big East football was entirely composed of major eastern independents. Associations change. But that's it.

Fair enough.

WV is certainly not located in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas. So you have no need for loyalty to the XII.

I'm hoping WV gets into an "Old Big East" division of the ACC. Get the party back together under a new roof.

I'm not. The various schools involved don't share the same goals or ideals, even though they do have a lot of history together. But that's more a symptom of geography than any mutual interests.

The entire east looks down its nose at West Virginia, WVU, and West Virginians in general. Any discussions with WVU generally descended to the people involved resorting to stupid stereotypes, invented by northerners to ridicule those they felt were their inferiors, and ignoring any idea that originated in the State of West Virginia.

The Big XII schools don't do that, since they have more in common with WVU and West Virginia than the eastern schools ever did. The Big XII media doesn't do that either. If the Big XII ever does disappear, which I kind of doubt, WVU would be far better off in the SEC. The ACC would be the last resort. The B1G would be better, even though there's no chance of that. But at least Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State share the same interests. A very select few ACC schools do, which is why it's the bottom choice.

It's not all about geography. And all that travel can be turned into a big advantage. It's all about proper marketing.

I agree with the comment about geography not being that big of a deal, at least in terms of fan interest. We were an outlier in the MWC, but we developed some good rivalries and I actually felt fairly strong loyalty fairly quickly there. When it comes down to it, rivalries are made on the field/court, not on a map.

The other thing the B-12/WVU have going for it is this "us against the world" sense. With the rest of the country piling on the league in the court of public opinion, there is a tendency to circle the wagons and paradoxically develop deeper bonds. I think I saw that same phenomenon with the MWC.

I've never seen any piling on against the Big 12 outside this forum. Everywhere else the Big 12 is regarded as a fine, elite level conference.

It only gets critiqued here by fans of G5 schools who see it as the best chance for their schools to join the P5, and thus need to pretend that the Big 12 is fatally flawed as it is.

I think there is a element of truth to that with regards to this board. OTOH, I do think after losing the most in the last round of expansion and then missing the playoff, there is a perception of weakness the Big 12 is fighting right now.

(05-14-2015 01:28 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:09 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 06:24 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Fair enough.

WV is certainly not located in Texas, Oklahoma or Kansas. So you have no need for loyalty to the XII.

I'm hoping WV gets into an "Old Big East" division of the ACC. Get the party back together under a new roof.

I'm not. The various schools involved don't share the same goals or ideals, even though they do have a lot of history together. But that's more a symptom of geography than any mutual interests.

The entire east looks down its nose at West Virginia, WVU, and West Virginians in general. Any discussions with WVU generally descended to the people involved resorting to stupid stereotypes, invented by northerners to ridicule those they felt were their inferiors, and ignoring any idea that originated in the State of West Virginia.

The Big XII schools don't do that, since they have more in common with WVU and West Virginia than the eastern schools ever did. The Big XII media doesn't do that either. If the Big XII ever does disappear, which I kind of doubt, WVU would be far better off in the SEC. The ACC would be the last resort. The B1G would be better, even though there's no chance of that. But at least Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State share the same interests. A very select few ACC schools do, which is why it's the bottom choice.

It's not all about geography. And all that travel can be turned into a big advantage. It's all about proper marketing.

I agree with the comment about geography not being that big of a deal, at least in terms of fan interest. We were an outlier in the MWC, but we developed some good rivalries and I actually felt fairly strong loyalty fairly quickly there. When it comes down to it, rivalries are made on the field/court, not on a map.

The other thing the B-12/WVU have going for it is this "us against the world" sense. With the rest of the country piling on the league in the court of public opinion, there is a tendency to circle the wagons and paradoxically develop deeper bonds. I think I saw that same phenomenon with the MWC.

I've never seen any piling on against the Big 12 outside this forum. Everywhere else the Big 12 is regarded as a fine, elite level conference.

It only gets critiqued here by fans of G5 schools who see it as the best chance for their schools to join the P5, and thus need to pretend that the Big 12 is fatally flawed as it is.

Or by people who can see far enough ahead to see the P4 writing on the wall.

That species of people is also basically confined to the habitat of this forum.

FWIW, i don't think a P4 is in any way inevitable, but if i knew it was, i would regard the ACC as at least as vulnerable to dismemberment as the Big 12.

MplsBison, you know nothing about eastern football, it's history, or it's schools. Please quit trying to act like you do. It's insulting to my intellect.

(05-14-2015 01:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:28 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:09 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 12:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I'm not. The various schools involved don't share the same goals or ideals, even though they do have a lot of history together. But that's more a symptom of geography than any mutual interests.

The entire east looks down its nose at West Virginia, WVU, and West Virginians in general. Any discussions with WVU generally descended to the people involved resorting to stupid stereotypes, invented by northerners to ridicule those they felt were their inferiors, and ignoring any idea that originated in the State of West Virginia.

The Big XII schools don't do that, since they have more in common with WVU and West Virginia than the eastern schools ever did. The Big XII media doesn't do that either. If the Big XII ever does disappear, which I kind of doubt, WVU would be far better off in the SEC. The ACC would be the last resort. The B1G would be better, even though there's no chance of that. But at least Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State share the same interests. A very select few ACC schools do, which is why it's the bottom choice.

It's not all about geography. And all that travel can be turned into a big advantage. It's all about proper marketing.

I agree with the comment about geography not being that big of a deal, at least in terms of fan interest. We were an outlier in the MWC, but we developed some good rivalries and I actually felt fairly strong loyalty fairly quickly there. When it comes down to it, rivalries are made on the field/court, not on a map.

The other thing the B-12/WVU have going for it is this "us against the world" sense. With the rest of the country piling on the league in the court of public opinion, there is a tendency to circle the wagons and paradoxically develop deeper bonds. I think I saw that same phenomenon with the MWC.

I've never seen any piling on against the Big 12 outside this forum. Everywhere else the Big 12 is regarded as a fine, elite level conference.

It only gets critiqued here by fans of G5 schools who see it as the best chance for their schools to join the P5, and thus need to pretend that the Big 12 is fatally flawed as it is.

Or by people who can see far enough ahead to see the P4 writing on the wall.

That species of people is also basically confined to the habitat of this forum.

FWIW, i don't think a P4 is in any way inevitable, but if i knew it was, i would regard the ACC as at least as vulnerable to dismemberment as the Big 12.

GoR?

(05-14-2015 02:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  MplsBison, you know nothing about eastern football, it's history, or it's schools. Please quit trying to act like you do. It's insulting to my intellect.

Personal attack. No counter-argument.

You might as well have said "MplsBison, you're too good. I congratulate you on beating me. I have nothing."

(05-14-2015 02:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 02:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  MplsBison, you know nothing about eastern football, it's history, or it's schools. Please quit trying to act like you do. It's insulting to my intellect.

Personal attack. No counter-argument.

You might as well have said "MplsBison, you're too good. I congratulate you on beating me. I have nothing."

If I was making a personal attack on you, there would be no doubt about it. Ask any long time poster.

And thinking you know it all simply reminds me of an axiom I find truer every day.

"It's far better to be in the company of one seeking the truth, than it is to be in the company of one certain he's found it."

(05-14-2015 02:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 02:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 02:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  MplsBison, you know nothing about eastern football, it's history, or it's schools. Please quit trying to act like you do. It's insulting to my intellect.

Personal attack. No counter-argument.

You might as well have said "MplsBison, you're too good. I congratulate you on beating me. I have nothing."

If I was making a personal attack on you, there would be no doubt about it. Ask any long time poster.

And thinking you know it all simply reminds me of an axiom I find truer every day.

"It's far better to be in the company of one seeking the truth, than it is to be in the company of one certain he's found it."

More words, still no counter-argument.

(05-14-2015 01:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That species of people is also basically confined to the habitat of this forum.

FWIW, i don't think a P4 is in any way inevitable, but if i knew it was, i would regard the ACC as at least as vulnerable to dismemberment as the Big 12.

Yep. I don't pretend to know what will happen down the line (I sincerely doubt anyone does, including the powers that be), but this board does tend to become a bit of an anti-Big 12 echo-chamber.

(05-14-2015 02:20 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That species of people is also basically confined to the habitat of this forum.

FWIW, i don't think a P4 is in any way inevitable, but if i knew it was, i would regard the ACC as at least as vulnerable to dismemberment as the Big 12.

Yep. I don't pretend to know what will happen down the line (I sincerely doubt anyone does, including the powers that be), but this board does tend to become a bit of an anti-Big 12 echo-chamber.

I could be wrong but it seems like it's more the P5 fans that are belittling the Big 12. The G5 fans are hoping it sticks around since it's the best chance for a G5 school to get an invite to a P5 conference - at least, if the Big 12 decides to add any more schools.

(05-14-2015 02:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 02:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 02:07 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 02:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  MplsBison, you know nothing about eastern football, it's history, or it's schools. Please quit trying to act like you do. It's insulting to my intellect.

Personal attack. No counter-argument.

You might as well have said "MplsBison, you're too good. I congratulate you on beating me. I have nothing."

If I was making a personal attack on you, there would be no doubt about it. Ask any long time poster.

And thinking you know it all simply reminds me of an axiom I find truer every day.

"It's far better to be in the company of one seeking the truth, than it is to be in the company of one certain he's found it."

More words, still no counter-argument.

Why should I want to hold a debate over a subject you know nothing about? I've been a WVU fan since the 1950s, when my father began covering the Mountaineers.

I refuse to hold a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Now that's a personal attack, even if it is true.