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(05-08-2015 03:23 PM)blazerwkr Wrote:  So is the UFF pledge form I mailed in null & void now? The forms Attalla post both look to be same form & seem to be in the Campaign for UAB rather than separate from Athletics giving (other than you can specify fb as mentioned last night). I thought the Campaign for UAB didn't have athletics mentioned in it? Red Flag???

Brad was the coordinator for the previous forms, and he responded directly to my emailed form, so they are going to the same place/people. It may just be another hoop the Admin wants folks to jump through.

(05-08-2015 03:23 PM)blazerwkr Wrote:  So is the UFF pledge form I mailed in null & void now? The forms Attalla post both look to be same form & seem to be in the Campaign for UAB rather than separate from Athletics giving (other than you can specify fb as mentioned last night). I thought the Campaign for UAB didn't have athletics mentioned in it? Red Flag???

You need to fill out the campaign form. The football foundation form isn't "null and void" but it will only be used as a contact form for the athletics department to contact you to fill out an official UAB form. If you don't fill out and sign a UAB Campaign form, your pledge will not count.

I find it kinda strange that the Campaign for UAB has a pledge form that has no contact information. How were they gonna contact the donors?

How are we supposed to distribute these to new people who didn't fill out the old form?

Again, no contact info whatsoever on the new form. .. someone needs to get their **** together & organize this chaos or it is doomed.

There are several semantic red flags.

First off, this is a draft of an agreement. Note the directions in brackets within the text.

Secondly, "...the University may not accept payments from certain sources to fulfill personal pledges." What sources? I have filled out a donor form before and that clause was not included. Without these "sources" being defined any pledge money may be discounted and/or refused. (sound familiar?)

Third "...or the pledge can be considered null and void and any pledge payments will be returned to the donor." Can....not will. Not synonymous. The word can is indefinite and does not signify a binding requirement on the University's part.

I am having my accountant, as well as another, who is a major donor review this agreement before I am completely comfortable with signing with the current administration in place. If it stands up to their scrutiny I will send mine in early next week.

The red flag to me is that it seems to be under the Campaign for UAB giving & in that campaign there was no mention of athletic giving as it wasn't meant to be that not to mention the people who were in charge of it weren't what we'd call trustworthy to do what is best for UAB & moving it forward only their antiquated vision of it taking their lions share of the pie to leave the table scraps to be fought over

When I asked Brad if I needed to complete the new form he just sent out a broadcast with the "modified" Campaign for UAB three-page form. Like others, I am reluctant to complete such a form, but I will with major edits/changes/initials on my part to protect me and the use of my donation. If they don't like it, they will have to contact me. As for as contact information, I will add it under my signature. I refuse to let these hoops interfere with my submission of the pledge to restore UaB Football, Bowling and Rifle.

I HATE this form states "THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM" on the form in two places. If they are the Trustees only of the University of Alabama, then UaB should form their own Board of Trustees immediately. In 1969, Gov. Albert Brewer formed the UA System with three "autonomous" universities. UaB does not answer to the University of Alabama (UAT) therefore it should not answer to the Board of Trustees of the University of Alabama! I'm correcting the pledge form accordingly.

(05-09-2015 05:03 PM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  I HATE this form states "THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM" on the form in two places. If they are the Trustees only of the University of Alabama, then UaB should form their own Board of Trustees immediately. In 1969, Gov. Albert Brewer formed the UA System with three "autonomous" universities. UaB does not answer to the University of Alabama (UAT) therefore it should not answer to the Board of Trustees of the University of Alabama! I'm correcting the pledge form accordingly.

That is the legal name. Complain about it all you want but if you modify that form then the contract will not be valid.

All of this modifying of the form everyone is doing is just counter-productive. It just gives UAB an excuse to disregard your pledge.

(05-09-2015 08:05 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 05:03 PM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  I HATE this form states "THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM" on the form in two places. If they are the Trustees only of the University of Alabama, then UaB should form their own Board of Trustees immediately. In 1969, Gov. Albert Brewer formed the UA System with three "autonomous" universities. UaB does not answer to the University of Alabama (UAT) therefore it should not answer to the Board of Trustees of the University of Alabama! I'm correcting the pledge form accordingly.

That is the legal name. Complain about it all you want but if you modify that form then the contract will not be valid.

All of this modifying of the form everyone is doing is just counter-productive. It just gives UAB an excuse to disregard your pledge.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Any legal document goes through an editing process. This document has several loopholes that could end up causing the pledge to be used for other than intended purposes. I've initialed each change. UAB can accept them as I've indicated which doesn't affect the execution of the document. If there is a problem, the Athletic Department will contact me and we resolve the issue one on one.

(05-09-2015 08:18 PM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:05 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 05:03 PM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  I HATE this form states "THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM" on the form in two places. If they are the Trustees only of the University of Alabama, then UaB should form their own Board of Trustees immediately. In 1969, Gov. Albert Brewer formed the UA System with three "autonomous" universities. UaB does not answer to the University of Alabama (UAT) therefore it should not answer to the Board of Trustees of the University of Alabama! I'm correcting the pledge form accordingly.

That is the legal name. Complain about it all you want but if you modify that form then the contract will not be valid.

All of this modifying of the form everyone is doing is just counter-productive. It just gives UAB an excuse to disregard your pledge.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Any legal document goes through an editing process. This document has several loopholes that could end up causing the pledge to be used for other than intended purposes. I've initialed each change. UAB can accept them as I've indicated which doesn't affect the execution of the document. If there is a problem, the Athletic Department will contact me and we resolve the issue one on one.

It's not an opinion, the legal name of the University is what it is. And it doesn't matter if you initial it, you can't change the name of the entity you're entering into a contract with any more than UAB could cross out your name and change it because they think you should be named Bob instead of John. This is silly.

(05-09-2015 08:48 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:18 PM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:05 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 05:03 PM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  I HATE this form states "THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM" on the form in two places. If they are the Trustees only of the University of Alabama, then UaB should form their own Board of Trustees immediately. In 1969, Gov. Albert Brewer formed the UA System with three "autonomous" universities. UaB does not answer to the University of Alabama (UAT) therefore it should not answer to the Board of Trustees of the University of Alabama! I'm correcting the pledge form accordingly.

That is the legal name. Complain about it all you want but if you modify that form then the contract will not be valid.

All of this modifying of the form everyone is doing is just counter-productive. It just gives UAB an excuse to disregard your pledge.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Any legal document goes through an editing process. This document has several loopholes that could end up causing the pledge to be used for other than intended purposes. I've initialed each change. UAB can accept them as I've indicated which doesn't affect the execution of the document. If there is a problem, the Athletic Department will contact me and we resolve the issue one on one.

It's not an opinion, the legal name of the University is what it is. And it doesn't matter if you initial it, you can't change the name of the entity you're entering into a contract with any more than UAB could cross out your name and change it because they think you should be named Bob instead of John. This is silly.

I'll let them call themselves whatever they want to then. However, there is verbiage in the document that is not acceptable. The pledge will go to reinstate UAB football, bowling and rifle.

It's a pledge. I don't get what all this fuss is about. I pledged my money and wrote my legal name. I didn't sign anything, and they have no contact info on me. If they don't reinstate football, they can sue me if they want my money that much. Good luck proving that contract was in good faith if the sports don't return.

(05-09-2015 08:05 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 05:03 PM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  I HATE this form states "THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM" on the form in two places. If they are the Trustees only of the University of Alabama, then UaB should form their own Board of Trustees immediately. In 1969, Gov. Albert Brewer formed the UA System with three "autonomous" universities. UaB does not answer to the University of Alabama (UAT) therefore it should not answer to the Board of Trustees of the University of Alabama! I'm correcting the pledge form accordingly.

That is the legal name. Complain about it all you want but if you modify that form then the contract will not be valid.

All of this modifying of the form everyone is doing is just counter-productive. It just gives UAB an excuse to disregard your pledge.

According to my CPA this "contract" is worthless due to the wording regarding not accepting donations from certain sources due to the substantial tax benefits involved.

The IRS has no such stipulations. That wording seems to be simply there to allow for the university to reject any donations they choose since there is no definition of those sources from which donations would not be allowed.

His advice was to send it in and if they start rejecting donations get it into the media then file suit in Federal court where instruments of the state have no sovereign immunity. The suggestion of interpretation of the tax code would be enough to give a Federal court jurisdiction.

(05-10-2015 11:12 AM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 08:05 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 05:03 PM)blzrclub80 Wrote:  I HATE this form states "THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM" on the form in two places. If they are the Trustees only of the University of Alabama, then UaB should form their own Board of Trustees immediately. In 1969, Gov. Albert Brewer formed the UA System with three "autonomous" universities. UaB does not answer to the University of Alabama (UAT) therefore it should not answer to the Board of Trustees of the University of Alabama! I'm correcting the pledge form accordingly.

That is the legal name. Complain about it all you want but if you modify that form then the contract will not be valid.

All of this modifying of the form everyone is doing is just counter-productive. It just gives UAB an excuse to disregard your pledge.

According to my CPA this "contract" is worthless due to the wording regarding not accepting donations from certain sources due to the substantial tax benefits involved.

The IRS has no such stipulations. That wording seems to be simply there to allow for the university to reject any donations they choose since there is no definition of those sources from which donations would not be allowed.

His advice was to send it in and if they start rejecting donations get it into the media then file suit in Federal court where instruments of the state have no sovereign immunity. The suggestion of interpretation of the tax code would be enough to give a Federal court jurisdiction.

I read that section as trying to prevent someone from using corporate funds to donate in the name of an individual.

At any rate, that does not negate the fact that you should not modify things like the legal name of the university, because that would just give them a legitimate excuse for throwing out the form.

Just fill it out as it stands and send it in. If something happens and you don't pay, they aren't going to collect. That would be an even bigger sht storm. You didn't give them a social security number so it won't go on your credit, either.

I scanned mine and emailed it today. Hopefully it wasn't too late to be counted for this week's announcement??

(05-12-2015 12:33 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  I scanned mine and emailed it today. Hopefully it wasn't too late to be counted for this week's announcement??

I hope not. I'm trying to get a few more people I know to participate.

I believe it needs to be emailed by Thursday, the 14th, to be counted.

I mailed mine with a notarized addendum that said: I will triple my annual contribution should football be reinstated AND Ray Watts resign as president of the University by July 1, 2015.

The school's UABGreenMail and UABreporter accounts have been sharing the official pledge form. Any significance or just Ray wanting to say he tried?