(09-10-2015 02:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I guess I just generally think that the whole idea of taking wins away after the fact is bogus..

I missed that part. No I was not saying do that (although the NCAA does). I was referring to reputation.

I enjoy watching how bent out of shape people get about the Patriots. This isn't college ball or any kind of amateur league, so lets not all get all high and mighty here. It is a business and the players get paid TONS of cash to do their jobs. The players who have lost at the hands of the Patriots need to point to an excuse in order to hang on to their multi-million dollar salaries. "It isn't that my play is mediocre, Mr. Owner, it is that the Patriots cheated." Um, really?

Just so you all know, Patriots fans are eating this hate up! So, go ahead. Pour the hate on some more. It honestly just makes it all that much more sweet.


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No, Patriots fans are doing with fans always do in this circumstance– they are circling the wagons. The Penn State whack jobs also circled the wagons when their institutional character was questioned. The whole world could see what happened and it was as plain as the nose on our faces but to this day many of their kooks will swear up-and-down that Joe was framed and that everyone was jealous of them and it was a big conspiracy by the Board of Trustees or the Big Ten or ESPN or some other bogeyman. That is just how zealots see the world.

(09-10-2015 03:03 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I enjoy watching how bent out of shape people get about the Patriots. This isn't college ball or any kind of amateur league, so lets not all get all high and mighty here. It is a business and the players get paid TONS of cash to do their jobs. The players who have lost at the hands of the Patriots need to point to an excuse in order to hang on to their multi-million dollar salaries. "It isn't that my play is mediocre, Mr. Owner, it is that the Patriots cheated." Um, really?

Just so you all know, Patriots fans are eating this hate up! So, go ahead. Pour the hate on some more. It honestly just makes it all that much more sweet.


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Patriots still insists that Aaron Hernandez is innocent, and wants him back on their team. Face it, there are more reasons to hate the Patriots more than cheaters, but the Patriots defends thugs and murderers to boot just som that they can win more games.

(09-10-2015 06:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 03:03 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I enjoy watching how bent out of shape people get about the Patriots. This isn't college ball or any kind of amateur league, so lets not all get all high and mighty here. It is a business and the players get paid TONS of cash to do their jobs. The players who have lost at the hands of the Patriots need to point to an excuse in order to hang on to their multi-million dollar salaries. "It isn't that my play is mediocre, Mr. Owner, it is that the Patriots cheated." Um, really?

Just so you all know, Patriots fans are eating this hate up! So, go ahead. Pour the hate on some more. It honestly just makes it all that much more sweet.


________Brady________Belichick_______Kraft_______

Patriots still insists that Aaron Hernandez is innocent, and wants him back on their team. Face it, there are more reasons to hate the Patriots more than cheaters, but the Patriots defends thugs and murderers to boot just som that they can win more games.

I guess that's why they cut him immeadiately and went after his bonus money, because they the Patriots are insisting he's innocent and want him back. Even if he actually didn't commit the murders he's still looking at 10+ years for the illegal guns he had in his Franklin apartment.

(09-10-2015 02:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 02:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  First, cheating always means an "asterisk", it doesn't matter if you would have won anyway. I mean, if I am playing poker and I have an ace up my sleeve and I use it to win a hand, if I got caught using the ace, would I be allowed to keep the pot and avoid getting kicked out of the game (or worse) if it turned out that I would have won the hand anyway without using it? Please.

But, you can't assume that only one team was cheating.

You can't be serious, can you?

Obviously, in any cheating situation, you can only 'assume' that those caught cheating were cheating. You can't assume that anyone else was cheating.

the thing with the Patriots is when things happen like last night with the headphones, it just makes the Patriots look really bad. Even if they aren't guilty, it just is a real bad look.

(09-11-2015 09:19 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the thing with the Patriots is when things happen like last night with the headphones, it just makes the Patriots look really bad. Even if they aren't guilty, it just is a real bad look.

The league provides the equipment, controls the frequencies in the building and controls the headsets.

(09-11-2015 09:50 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 09:19 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the thing with the Patriots is when things happen like last night with the headphones, it just makes the Patriots look really bad. Even if they aren't guilty, it just is a real bad look.

The league provides the equipment, controls the frequencies in the building and controls the headsets.

Well, there you have it. The smoking gun that proves the NFL will do anything to make sure their flagship franchise will win. After all, if New England isn't in the Super Bowl, ratings plummet league wide.

Steelers are definitely stirring the pot on this incident. This is from their website:

(09-11-2015 09:50 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 09:19 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the thing with the Patriots is when things happen like last night with the headphones, it just makes the Patriots look really bad. Even if they aren't guilty, it just is a real bad look.

The league provides the equipment, controls the frequencies in the building and controls the headsets.

If that were true, then the NFL would not need to go and tell the Patriots they needed to shut down their headsets until the Steelers' were working. They would just shut them down themselves, if they were "controlling" them.

I worked for an NFL stadium. The home team controls the equipment. The NFL has oversee'ers, but the home team has people who control those things. The home team also controls things like replay equipment, etc (or did before the NFL went to centralized replays), camera positioning (to an extent), and supplies and maintains much of the hardware, so that stadiums don't have to be rewired every week.

(09-11-2015 11:00 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 09:50 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 09:19 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the thing with the Patriots is when things happen like last night with the headphones, it just makes the Patriots look really bad. Even if they aren't guilty, it just is a real bad look.

The league provides the equipment, controls the frequencies in the building and controls the headsets.

If that were true, then the NFL would not need to go and tell the Patriots they needed to shut down their headsets until the Steelers' were working. They would just shut them down themselves, if they were "controlling" them.

I worked for an NFL stadium. The home team controls the equipment. The NFL has oversee'ers, but the home team has people who control those things. The home team also controls things like replay equipment, etc (or did before the NFL went to centralized replays), camera positioning (to an extent), and supplies and maintains much of the hardware, so that stadiums don't have to be rewired every week.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...gh-review/

“The coaches’ communications equipment, including the headsets, is provided by the NFL for both clubs use on game day,” the league said in a statement this morning. “The home team is responsible for the installation and maintenance of that equipment. Every team’s game day communications personnel are required to work with the NFL communications consultants to ensure wireless equipment is free and clear of interference and address any problems. Technological and stadium infrastructure issues of this type happen at many stadiums around the league and whenever there are issues of this nature, we do a thorough review.”

(09-11-2015 11:20 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...gh-review/

“The coaches’ communications equipment, including the headsets, is provided by the NFL for both clubs use on game day,” the league said in a statement this morning. “The home team is responsible for the installation and maintenance of that equipment. Every team’s game day communications personnel are required to work with the NFL communications consultants to ensure wireless equipment is free and clear of interference and address any problems. Technological and stadium infrastructure issues of this type happen at many stadiums around the league and whenever there are issues of this nature, we do a thorough review.”

You are missing the point. The headsets are not where the issues come in. It is the wiring and the radio equipment, that is maintained by the home team. You know, just like is quoted here. The NFL says it assigns a coordinator to handle it, but he is more like a switchboard operator. The home team manages the actual wiring. It's not all their fault, but a helluva coincidence that it happened only to one side.

(09-10-2015 03:03 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I enjoy watching how bent out of shape people get about the Patriots. This isn't college ball or any kind of amateur league, so lets not all get all high and mighty here. It is a business and the players get paid TONS of cash to do their jobs. The players who have lost at the hands of the Patriots need to point to an excuse in order to hang on to their multi-million dollar salaries. "It isn't that my play is mediocre, Mr. Owner, it is that the Patriots cheated." Um, really?

Just so you all know, Patriots fans are eating this hate up! So, go ahead. Pour the hate on some more. It honestly just makes it all that much more sweet.


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Man, you are really overcompensating for the fact that UConn is part of the G5. Be honest, how happy does it make you that you get to act all superior for another team that you root for?

(09-11-2015 12:47 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(09-10-2015 03:03 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I enjoy watching how bent out of shape people get about the Patriots. This isn't college ball or any kind of amateur league, so lets not all get all high and mighty here. It is a business and the players get paid TONS of cash to do their jobs. The players who have lost at the hands of the Patriots need to point to an excuse in order to hang on to their multi-million dollar salaries. "It isn't that my play is mediocre, Mr. Owner, it is that the Patriots cheated." Um, really?

Just so you all know, Patriots fans are eating this hate up! So, go ahead. Pour the hate on some more. It honestly just makes it all that much more sweet.


________Brady________Belichick_______Kraft_______

Man, you are really overcompensating for the fact that UConn is part of the G5. Be honest, how happy does it make you that you get to act all superior for another team that you root for?

G5 status only matters for football. As a UConn basketball fan, I don't need the Pats to make me feel superior....

(09-11-2015 12:39 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 11:20 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...gh-review/

“The coaches’ communications equipment, including the headsets, is provided by the NFL for both clubs use on game day,” the league said in a statement this morning. “The home team is responsible for the installation and maintenance of that equipment. Every team’s game day communications personnel are required to work with the NFL communications consultants to ensure wireless equipment is free and clear of interference and address any problems. Technological and stadium infrastructure issues of this type happen at many stadiums around the league and whenever there are issues of this nature, we do a thorough review.”

You are missing the point. The headsets are not where the issues come in. It is the wiring and the radio equipment, that is maintained by the home team. You know, just like is quoted here. The NFL says it assigns a coordinator to handle it, but he is more like a switchboard operator. The home team manages the actual wiring. It's not all their fault, but a helluva coincidence that it happened only to one side.

What about the NFL communications consultants to ensure wireless equipment is free and clear of interference and address any problems? Are they just up their picking their noses?

Belichick said in his press conference that the Patriots were having issues with their equipment as well.

In the NFL's statement after the game they said there was a power infrastructure issue that was exacerbated by the weather.

(09-11-2015 01:08 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  What about the NFL communications consultants to ensure wireless equipment is free and clear of interference and address any problems? Are they just up their picking their noses?

Belichick said in his press conference that the Patriots were having issues with their equipment as well.

In the NFL's statement after the game they said there was a power infrastructure issue that was exacerbated by the weather.

Your three points...

You claimed it was all on the NFL: it wasn't. Also often times they use the same people at each stadium, most of whom are local. I know this because again, I used to be involved in that.

Belechick also said that they gained no advantage from spygate, yet did it for 7 years. I am not really going to take his word for it

And the last part: again that is Patriots issue, of maintaining the equipment; you know, what I said the first time that you claimed was incorrect? Yet you keep arguing about it.

(09-11-2015 01:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-11-2015 01:08 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  What about the NFL communications consultants to ensure wireless equipment is free and clear of interference and address any problems? Are they just up their picking their noses?

Belichick said in his press conference that the Patriots were having issues with their equipment as well.

In the NFL's statement after the game they said there was a power infrastructure issue that was exacerbated by the weather.

Your three points...

You claimed it was all on the NFL: it wasn't. Also often times they use the same people at each stadium, most of whom are local. I know this because again, I used to be involved in that.

Belechick also said that they gained no advantage from spygate, yet did it for 7 years. I am not really going to take his word for it

And the last part: again that is Patriots issue, of maintaining the equipment; you know, what I said the first time that you claimed was incorrect? Yet you keep arguing about it.

Fine its not all on the NFL

The NFL in their own statement after the game called it an interference issue, the NFL hires their own communication consultants to ensure wireless equipment is free and clear of interference and address any problems. It doesn't matter where if they are local, if they aren't doing the job the NFL hired them to do which includes ensuring wireless equipment is free and clear of interference then the NFL should terminate those consultants.

If the NFL hires consultants that are incapable of or won't do the job properly that is an NFL problem.

(09-11-2015 01:43 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Fine its not all on the NFL

The NFL in their own statement after the game called it an interference issue, the NFL hires their own communication consultants to ensure wireless equipment is free and clear of interference and address any problems. .

Interference? Where do you think interference comes from? It is something within the area. Whether the within the stadium, or the local area, interference is a local issue. Hence why it tends to mysteriously happen in Foxborough, and strangely only for half the field.


Perhaps you can explain this one then?

At least five teams have suspected Patriots of headset tampering


With the Steelers suggesting that something was afoul on Thursday night in New England, there are now at least five teams that have accused the Patriots of tampering with communications:

1. After the Jaguars lost to the Patriots in the playoffs following the 2005 season, then-Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio said the headsets “mysteriously malfunctioned.”

2. In 2006, then-Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz suspected the Patriots of preventing him from communicating with his quarterback. As reported by Paul Zimmerman of Sports Illustrated, Martz had Detroit’s offense off to a good start until he lost the ability to call plays because the communications system went out. According to that report, it happened to the Lions twice, both times in the middle of drives when the Lions were picking up steam.

3. Bengals coach Marvin Lewis was quoted by Zimmerman as responding to Martz’s accusation by saying the same thing that happened to the Lions had happened to the Bengals as well: “Yeah, I know,” Lewis said. “Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too.”

4. Karlos Dansby said in an appearance on PFT Live this year that he suspected the Patriots of wrongdoing in 2008, when Dansby’s Cardinals visited New England and had trouble with their coach-to-helmet communications system.

5. The Steelers now become at least the fifth team making accusations, with the team saying that its coach-to-coach communications repeatedly faced interference from the Patriots’ radio broadcast, and that the interference would stop when a league official came to the sideline to deal with it, only to start up again when the league official walked away.

bottom line, it's not a great look at all for the Patriots.