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RE: It is time for police to stop going into some areas
I'm not for abandoning these areas. I am in favor of hiring from with the areas and having block patrol stations. Make the policing more community involved and responsible. When the officers and members of the community know each other well they have more trust for each other and the Cops become more "peace officer" oriented. Save the "roll ups" for the serious crime. Let the foot patrolmen handle the minor stuff and give them the latitude to be lenient and use common sense to keep the peace. Also...stop harassing folks for minor drug crimes and non aggressive behavior.
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(05-02-2015 11:48 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I fart in your general direction you weak troll.

You encompass the weakness that is America today.

Carry On.

So, like I stated earlier, your views are nothing but a visceral response without the slightest attempt into actual reason. It'd mean more, and it would start garnering a little respect from me if you just admitted it was a poorly thought out idea instead of this cop-out, but you've yet to prove yourself worthy of any respect as a poster yet. Why start now?
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RE: It is time for police to stop going into some areas
(05-02-2015 11:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm not for abandoning these areas. I am in favor of hiring from with the areas and having block patrol stations. Make the policing more community involved and responsible. When the officers and members of the community know each other well they have more trust for each other and the Cops become more "peace officer" oriented. Save the "roll ups" for the serious crime. Let the foot patrolmen handle the minor stuff and give them the latitude to be lenient and use common sense to keep the peace. Also...stop harassing folks for minor drug crimes and non aggressive behavior.

This. Also, stop with the no-knock raids except for the most extreme circumstances. You win no favors by conducting paramilitary operations against minor, non-violent criminals.
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(05-02-2015 11:32 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I do love the posters on here whose response to a cop shooting a fleeing man is to suggest that the policeman should just sic the dog on them instead. Did conservatives learn nothing from the 60's?

Obviously it is in practice in parts of this country already. See The Thread by GTS and the video!
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(05-02-2015 12:18 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  
(05-02-2015 11:32 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I do love the posters on here whose response to a cop shooting a fleeing man is to suggest that the policeman should just sic the dog on them instead. Did conservatives learn nothing from the 60's?

Obviously it is in practice in parts of this country already. See The Thread by GTS and the video!

I saw that video yesterday I believe. It seemed to be a case of a very poorly trained police dog than total police incompetency IMO. I am far more understanding with officers being cautious going into a home than I am with their actions on a street where they can see the suspect, where he is going, who is nearby, etc.
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(05-02-2015 11:58 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(05-02-2015 11:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm not for abandoning these areas. I am in favor of hiring from with the areas and having block patrol stations. Make the policing more community involved and responsible. When the officers and members of the community know each other well they have more trust for each other and the Cops become more "peace officer" oriented. Save the "roll ups" for the serious crime. Let the foot patrolmen handle the minor stuff and give them the latitude to be lenient and use common sense to keep the peace. Also...stop harassing folks for minor drug crimes and non aggressive behavior.

This. Also, stop with the no-knock raids except for the most extreme circumstances. You win no favors by conducting paramilitary operations against minor, non-violent criminals.

I'd like to a system in which patrol cars only answered for violent crime or backup. Everything else is handled by the peace officers. Each precinct would have a rolling patrolmen available when needed. It would be a system that would basically entail a patrol station and staff in the middle of every block of the city in these areas where the bulk of the problems now occur. Nothing deters crime more than a direct police presence. This is how Gulianni cleaned up a lot of NYC. He put the cops back on the beat and on the corners. At one point there was literally an officer on every street corner.
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(05-02-2015 12:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(05-02-2015 11:58 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(05-02-2015 11:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm not for abandoning these areas. I am in favor of hiring from with the areas and having block patrol stations. Make the policing more community involved and responsible. When the officers and members of the community know each other well they have more trust for each other and the Cops become more "peace officer" oriented. Save the "roll ups" for the serious crime. Let the foot patrolmen handle the minor stuff and give them the latitude to be lenient and use common sense to keep the peace. Also...stop harassing folks for minor drug crimes and non aggressive behavior.

This. Also, stop with the no-knock raids except for the most extreme circumstances. You win no favors by conducting paramilitary operations against minor, non-violent criminals.

I'd like to a system in which patrol cars only answered for violent crime or backup. Everything else is handled by the peace officers. Each precinct would have a rolling patrolmen available when needed. It would be a system that would basically entail a patrol station and staff in the middle of every block of the city in these areas where the bulk of the problems now occur. Nothing deters crime more than a direct police presence. This is how Gulianni cleaned up a lot of NYC. He put the cops back on the beat and on the corners. At one point there was literally an officer on every street corner.

Well, every big city during that period of time had a drastic decrease in crime regardless of mayor policy, though NYC was better than average. Lots of theories why that is, removing lead from gas/paint and legalized abortions seem to be the most likely causes as of now.
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The police aren't going to change. So if there are groups that don't want the police in their neighborhood, so be it.
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(05-02-2015 11:54 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(05-02-2015 11:48 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I fart in your general direction you weak troll.

You encompass the weakness that is America today.

Carry On.

So, like I stated earlier, your views are nothing but a visceral response without the slightest attempt into actual reason. It'd mean more, and it would start garnering a little respect from me if you just admitted it was a poorly thought out idea instead of this cop-out, but you've yet to prove yourself worthy of any respect as a poster yet. Why start now?


This is not an emotional solution, but a practical one. One that addresses the Libs like yourself constantly attacking police for how they apprehend the dregs of society. What I described is a way to use another way to discourage running from a lawful request/order from the police.

You are the one "copping out" here and being emotional.
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(05-02-2015 11:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm not for abandoning these areas. I am in favor of hiring from with the areas and having block patrol stations. Make the policing more community involved and responsible. When the officers and members of the community know each other well they have more trust for each other and the Cops become more "peace officer" oriented. Save the "roll ups" for the serious crime. Let the foot patrolmen handle the minor stuff and give them the latitude to be lenient and use common sense to keep the peace. Also...stop harassing folks for minor drug crimes and non aggressive behavior.

These are generally good ideas and have been done or attempted with decidedly mixed results.
1. They have real trouble finding people willing to "turn" on "their" community to become a cop.
2. Those who do come out are often DQ'ed before they can even finish filling out the application for one reason or another, often a prior, often physical ability.

3.Larger urban areas noted a marked increase in the number of Active Gang Members in their ranks. Yes, that's right. Tipping off their buds to pending warrants or searches, or even better, shaking down or setting up their former foes. It still exists, but many localities have had to really dig much deeper into backgrounds to weed this out.

It hit a high point in late '90's, early 00's I think. Maybe earlier.

Other obstacles as well, those are a few I feel like writing up right now.
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(05-02-2015 11:32 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I do love the posters on here whose response to a cop shooting a fleeing man is to suggest that the policeman should just sic the dog on them instead. Did conservatives learn nothing from the 60's?

Here's an idea from the 60s.
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(05-02-2015 11:32 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I do love the posters on here whose response to a cop shooting a fleeing man is to suggest that the policeman should just sic the dog on them instead. Did conservatives learn nothing from the 60's?

Like I suggested, let the people in the hood police themselves. That way there won't be any problems with the evil police.
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after posting the Bass Pro Pryamid thread, I couldn't remember why I no longer post here...then I read this thread...good job everyone, I now remember.

pure, unadulterated, conservative lunacy...
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(05-02-2015 05:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  after posting the Bass Pro Pryamid thread, I couldn't remember why I no longer post here...then I read this thread...good job everyone, I now remember.

pure, unadulterated, conservative lunacy...

It takes a certain level of sophistication to recognize sarcasm and cynicism. Obviously, you have failed to achieve that level.
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UofM has failed to reach awareness. He could still be aborted. 03-wink
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(05-02-2015 05:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  after posting the Bass Pro Pryamid thread, I couldn't remember why I no longer post here...then I read this thread...good job everyone, I now remember.

pure, unadulterated, conservative lunacy...

Hate to tell you, but you aren't missed.
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^ same folks, same BS...'you can't fix stupid'
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(05-02-2015 08:57 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Police are being attacked from all kinds of black leaders and white leftists right now. They have been called an "occupying force" by Marc Lamont Hill. Ok, since police are so terrible, let's see how these areas like West Baltimore do without any police. Just leave those areas that hate police to police themselves. Morgan Freeman called police terrorists. Ok Morgan, the police need to just leave those areas alone. I wonder how long there would be an uproar over how bad police are needed. Also, 3 of the cops charged in Baltimore are black, so even black cops aren't free of this hate for police.

When I lived in Baltimore cutting through West Baltimore would have cut my commute by 10 miles and probably 20 minutes, but natives of the city said Never go through that part of town. I did once thinking it can't be that bad, I was wrong, it was much worse than I imagined.
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(05-02-2015 07:14 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ^ same folks, same BS...'you can't fix stupid'

I agree. You aren't fixable. Stupid and all.
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(05-02-2015 11:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I'm not for abandoning these areas. I am in favor of hiring from with the areas and having block patrol stations. Make the policing more community involved and responsible. When the officers and members of the community know each other well they have more trust for each other and the Cops become more "peace officer" oriented. Save the "roll ups" for the serious crime. Let the foot patrolmen handle the minor stuff and give them the latitude to be lenient and use common sense to keep the peace. Also...stop harassing folks for minor drug crimes and non aggressive behavior.

Cops must have a clean record to be cops, you'd be hard pressed to find people in this area that have a clean record AND want to serve as a police officer.
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