(05-01-2015 11:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:36 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What the thugs, hooligans, race baiters, goons, ruffians and media hacks fail to understand is that legal matters take time. This was going to happen.

All they have simply done is hurt their community.

You actually think that these officers would have been charged had there been no video or outrage?

Bless your heart.

No video with Brown/Wilson, and he was charged. Of course with the evidence it should have never gone to even a grand jury. NOT GUILTY

First of all , they were completely different cases. Second of all, in both cases, there was outrage. Just a small piece of information that you conveniently left out.

Still waiting for you to tell me my feeling Fit. Also would be pretty decent and intellectually honest of you to admit that your little google search for "thug" didn't turn out like you wanted instead of running away from it.

(05-01-2015 11:41 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Still waiting for you to tell me my feeling Fit. Also would be pretty decent and intellectually honest of you to admit that your little google search for "thug" didn't turn out like you wanted instead of running away from it.

Your feelings or obvious to everyone in this forum. You're upset about the rioting as is everyone else.

I just don't think you bother to see the bigger picture.

(05-01-2015 11:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:36 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What the thugs, hooligans, race baiters, goons, ruffians and media hacks fail to understand is that legal matters take time. This was going to happen.

All they have simply done is hurt their community.

You actually think that these officers would have been charged had there been no video or outrage?

Bless your heart.

No video with Brown/Wilson, and he was charged. Of course with the evidence it should have never gone to even a grand jury. NOT GUILTY

First of all , they were completely different cases. Second of all, in both cases, there was outrage. Just a small piece of information that you conveniently left out.

Outrage is what got Wilson indicted, not evidence. Might be the same with Baltimore.

(05-01-2015 11:46 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:36 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  What the thugs, hooligans, race baiters, goons, ruffians and media hacks fail to understand is that legal matters take time. This was going to happen.

All they have simply done is hurt their community.

You actually think that these officers would have been charged had there been no video or outrage?

Bless your heart.

No video with Brown/Wilson, and he was charged. Of course with the evidence it should have never gone to even a grand jury. NOT GUILTY

First of all , they were completely different cases. Second of all, in both cases, there was outrage. Just a small piece of information that you conveniently left out.

Outrage is what got Wilson indicted, not evidence. Might be the same with Baltimore.

And righfully so. No one should be allowed to shoot and kill an unarmed person without being indicted.

Well, once you took a single look at the prosecutor you knew this was going to happen.

(05-01-2015 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, once you took a single look at the prosecutor you knew this was going to happen.

Why? What's wrong with the prosecutor?

(05-01-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:41 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Still waiting for you to tell me my feeling Fit. Also would be pretty decent and intellectually honest of you to admit that your little google search for "thug" didn't turn out like you wanted instead of running away from it.

Your feelings or obvious to everyone in this forum. You're upset about the rioting as is everyone else.

I just don't think you bother to see the bigger picture.

I'm not upset about the riots. I'm discouraged that so many are giving the rioter a pass and excusing their behavior. That's not what you were getting at with your line of questions and accusations, nor with your attempt to imply that the word thug is racist and all posters here referring to the rioters are thugs are racists.

You're changing your argument and the discussion when things don't work out, or in more simple terms, just flinging poo and running away

(05-01-2015 11:31 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  I think the second degree murder charge was thrown in just to appease. I also think it is asinine to assume that the only reason these officers were charged at all was due to the riots (just trolling to troll). Police brutality and assault charges are frequent in Baltimore and the city has taken initiatives in the past years to allow citizens easier access to complaints.

Second degree murder is going to be next to impossible to prove in this situation and it's essentially kicking the can down the road. I'm sure another round of riots will break out here when Officer Cesar Goodman is acquitted of murder, even though I imagine a few of these officers will spend some time in prison.

I think the charges are reasonable, even if they don't lead to conviction. I am puzzled by the report of additional manslaughter charges... those seem political, and intended for appeasement.

(05-01-2015 11:48 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:46 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:39 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:36 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  You actually think that these officers would have been charged had there been no video or outrage?

Bless your heart.

No video with Brown/Wilson, and he was charged. Of course with the evidence it should have never gone to even a grand jury. NOT GUILTY

First of all , they were completely different cases. Second of all, in both cases, there was outrage. Just a small piece of information that you conveniently left out.

Outrage is what got Wilson indicted, not evidence. Might be the same with Baltimore.

And righfully so. No one should be allowed to shoot and kill an unarmed person without being indicted.

Of course you can. Try to break into my house and I will shoot you. Does not matter if you are armed. Brown attacked Wilson and tried to take his gun. Then he bull rushed Wilson and never stopped until the 6th round got him.

(05-01-2015 11:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:41 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Still waiting for you to tell me my feeling Fit. Also would be pretty decent and intellectually honest of you to admit that your little google search for "thug" didn't turn out like you wanted instead of running away from it.

Your feelings or obvious to everyone in this forum. You're upset about the rioting as is everyone else.

I just don't think you bother to see the bigger picture.

I'm not upset about the riots. I'm discouraged that so many are giving the rioter a pass and excusing their behavior. That's not what you were getting at with your line of questions and accusations, nor with your attempt to imply that the word thug is racist and all posters here referring to the rioters are thugs are racists.

You're changing your argument and the discussion when things don't work out, or in more simple terms, just flinging poo and running away

No one is giving the rioters a pass or excusing their behavior. Have they not been arrested? Has the president not condemned their behavior? What exactly are you talking about?

As for accusations, I think you need to be more specific. You and I have been going back and forth on more than one thread.

As for the word "thug" I do believe it is in fact a racist word and I'm not the only person who believes that. People who use it aren't racist per se but I think when most people use it, they are purposfully being racial.

(05-01-2015 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, once you took a single look at the prosecutor you knew this was going to happen.

Why? Was he she wearing a t-shirt that said "Prosecutor"?

(05-01-2015 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, once you took a single look at the prosecutor you knew this was going to happen.

Yep

Hopefully these charges are justified and not just to quiet the great unwashed masses.

(05-01-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:02 AM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Fit is the one who says he was taught to run from the police..

I was. Growing up, if the cops ever caught you, they would harass the crap out of you. Therefore, we learned a a very young age that if we saw a cop car, we would run.

Perhaps you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where the cops basically patroled your streets all the time.

They wouldn't patrol the street if their presence was not needed there.

Cops tend to frequent areas that need their attention...Common sense if you ask me!

Perhaps you are correct. But isn't it also possible that they simply assumed that those areas would have more crime simply because their was a large minority population?

Why does it always come down to race? Isn't also possible that the crime rate statistics and number of calls for the area call for more frequent more policing? Police tend to patrol areas with higher crime rates regardless of the color of the people who live there.

(05-01-2015 11:55 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, once you took a single look at the prosecutor you knew this was going to happen.

Why? Was he she wearing a t-shirt that said "Prosecutor"?

The anger and rage written all over her face. It is clear she is out for blood. I sorry it is clear as day, she wanted this case and couldn't wait to file charges. She is bypassing a grand jury hearing. Unlike what was done in Ferugson.

(05-01-2015 12:02 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:02 AM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:22 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Fit is the one who says he was taught to run from the police..

I was. Growing up, if the cops ever caught you, they would harass the crap out of you. Therefore, we learned a a very young age that if we saw a cop car, we would run.

Perhaps you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where the cops basically patroled your streets all the time.

They wouldn't patrol the street if their presence was not needed there.

Cops tend to frequent areas that need their attention...Common sense if you ask me!

Perhaps you are correct. But isn't it also possible that they simply assumed that those areas would have more crime simply because their was a large minority population?

Why does it always come down to race? Isn't also possible that the crime rate statistics and number of calls for the area call for more frequent more policing? Police tend to patrol areas with higher crime rates regardless of the color of the people who live there.

So you aren't willing to consider the possibility that police departments would frequent areas with a consentration of minorities?

(05-01-2015 12:06 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:55 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:48 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, once you took a single look at the prosecutor you knew this was going to happen.

Why? Was he she wearing a t-shirt that said "Prosecutor"?

The anger and rage written all over her face. It is clear she is out for blood. I sorry it is clear as day, she wanted this case and couldn't wait to file charges. She is bypassing a grand jury hearing. Unlike what was done in Ferugson.

Ok, that's didn't occur to me with this line of discussion. I was pretty pissed when I heard the details of this case. I was really pissed when I saw the video of the shooting in SC, and still am. If Gray's injury was actively caused by police, everyone should be outraged about it.

edit: I'll note that my snark was mainly about cynicism that many prosecutors are driven at least partially by political ambitions and will cynically sometimes pursue charges when they really should not be.

(05-01-2015 11:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:41 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Still waiting for you to tell me my feeling Fit. Also would be pretty decent and intellectually honest of you to admit that your little google search for "thug" didn't turn out like you wanted instead of running away from it.

Your feelings or obvious to everyone in this forum. You're upset about the rioting as is everyone else.

I just don't think you bother to see the bigger picture.

I'm not upset about the riots. I'm discouraged that so many are giving the rioter a pass and excusing their behavior. That's not what you were getting at with your line of questions and accusations, nor with your attempt to imply that the word thug is racist and all posters here referring to the rioters are thugs are racists.

You're changing your argument and the discussion when things don't work out, or in more simple terms, just flinging poo and running away

No one is giving the rioters a pass or excusing their behavior. Have they not been arrested? Has the president not condemned their behavior? What exactly are you talking about?

As for accusations, I think you need to be more specific. You and I have been going back and forth on more than one thread.

As for the word "thug" I do believe it is in fact a racist word and I'm not the only person who believes that. People who use it aren't racist per se but I think when most people use it, they are purposfully being racial.

I'm talking about the mayor stating she gave them room to 'destroy' and the reports from senior police officers that they were told not to intervene. Rioting is never a constructive activity, nor is it a civilized way to express frustration. It's thuggish behavior that violates a number of laws and shouldn't be excused like it was.


I seriously doubt you considered the word "thug" to be racist before last week. You may have, but just because you consider a word to be racist doesn't make it so, nor does it mean people are being "purposefully racial" when they use it. Use of the word to describe those rioting in Baltimore is entirely accurate, and its shameful the that mayor walked back her comments because of what we can only assume was pressure from outside influences since she was very adamant about calling them thugs as the riots were happening.

(05-01-2015 12:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 12:02 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:08 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 11:02 AM)Tomcat Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 10:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I was. Growing up, if the cops ever caught you, they would harass the crap out of you. Therefore, we learned a a very young age that if we saw a cop car, we would run.

Perhaps you didn't grow up in a neighborhood where the cops basically patroled your streets all the time.

They wouldn't patrol the street if their presence was not needed there.

Cops tend to frequent areas that need their attention...Common sense if you ask me!

Perhaps you are correct. But isn't it also possible that they simply assumed that those areas would have more crime simply because their was a large minority population?

Why does it always come down to race? Isn't also possible that the crime rate statistics and number of calls for the area call for more frequent more policing? Police tend to patrol areas with higher crime rates regardless of the color of the people who live there.

So you aren't willing to consider the possibility that police departments would frequent areas with a consentration of minorities?

Why are you constantly looking for a racial component here? Cops are trained and instructed to patrol high crime areas. If that high crime area happens to be a minority area, then there isn't anything racist about it.

What is you solution? Simply avoid patrolling high crime areas that are populated by minorities to avoid the chance of someone claiming the patrols are not a result of the crime but racially motivated?