I notice racism as soon as I leave El Paso. Especially in Houston and Dallas

What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

(04-30-2015 06:34 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Sort of surprised at the Wilmington/Myrtle Beach area at the NC/SC border.

I call Fabrics on this also. Im 20 miles from the border. Last night I watched young people at a local baseball game of both races interacting with each other like it was no big deal. I don't see any where as much racist stuff as I did 20 years ago.

(04-30-2015 10:03 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 06:34 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Sort of surprised at the Wilmington/Myrtle Beach area at the NC/SC border.

My wife's family is from Wilmington. There's still de-facto segregation there. It's weird coming from Charlotte where there's a lot of "living space" segregation on the lower end of the economic ladder; but you don't see "social-setting" segregation all that much any more. There's certain areas of Wilmington white people just don't go and it seems the black folks there do the same in reverse.

People naturally segregate themselves. That does not make them racists IMO.

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

Exhibit A: Most of the United States outside of the Deep South.

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

Does that include middle-class blacks that choose to stay in poor, crime infested neighborhoods? I mean, my neighborhood has about 1,000 or so households and only one of them that I know of is black whereas my town as a whole is about 40% black. Nothing is stopping them from moving here. At least there are logical reasons for me not moving there (poor schools, violent crime, drug and prostitution markets in the open on street corners).

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

I would agree...

However, I don't believe housing segregation today being about color but more about income, education and crime. People segregate themselves from areas of high crime and high poverty and bad schools. Those "white" enclaves have people of color, just not in large numbers. Those "white" enclaves also lack whites who are poor, btw. They do include people of color who are educated, employed, etc., etc.

As an example, look at any major city. You have highly dense black areas, highly dense white areas and then very diverse areas. The common thread is income level in each.

(04-30-2015 11:47 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

Exhibit A: Most of the United States outside of the Deep South.

I seem to remember that the Deep South was in fact segregated for a long time.

(04-30-2015 11:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:47 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

Exhibit A: Most of the United States outside of the Deep South.

I seem to remember that the Deep South was in fact segregated for a long time.

Public facilities may have been. But there are no such things as "white towns" in the Deep South. We co-exist down here. It's a fact of life.

(04-30-2015 11:52 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:47 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

Exhibit A: Most of the United States outside of the Deep South.

I seem to remember that the Deep South was in fact segregated for a long time.

Oh....and a couple thousand years ago, continents were segregated by race.

(04-30-2015 11:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

I would agree...

However, I don't believe housing segregation today being about color but more about income, education and crime. People segregate themselves from areas of high crime and high poverty and bad schools. Those "white" enclaves have people of color, just not in large numbers. Those "white" enclaves also lack whites who are poor, btw. They do include people of color who are educated, employed, etc., etc.

As an example, look at any major city. You have highly dense black areas, highly dense white areas and then very diverse areas. The common thread is income level in each.

I disagree. My neighborhood has a slew of lower-middle class whites and no blacks. It isn't expensive and there is almost no crime. They are choosing not to move here.

(04-30-2015 11:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

I would agree...

However, I don't believe housing segregation today being about color but more about income, education and crime. People segregate themselves from areas of high crime and high poverty and bad schools. Those "white" enclaves have people of color, just not in large numbers. Those "white" enclaves also lack whites who are poor, btw. They do include people of color who are educated, employed, etc., etc.

As an example, look at any major city. You have highly dense black areas, highly dense white areas and then very diverse areas. The common thread is income level in each.

I disagree. My neighborhood has a slew of lower-middle class whites and no blacks. It isn't expensive and there is almost no crime. They are choosing not to move here.

I was speaking generally. There are always exceptions to the rule but your point is made. There are examples where blacks don't want to move into white areas for a variety of reasons...especially in lower/mid income areas....mostly because they still need a support system to get by...i.e. family, friends, etc. so they choose to live closer to those resources.

(04-30-2015 11:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

I would agree...

However, I don't believe housing segregation today being about color but more about income, education and crime. People segregate themselves from areas of high crime and high poverty and bad schools. Those "white" enclaves have people of color, just not in large numbers. Those "white" enclaves also lack whites who are poor, btw. They do include people of color who are educated, employed, etc., etc.

As an example, look at any major city. You have highly dense black areas, highly dense white areas and then very diverse areas. The common thread is income level in each.

I disagree. My neighborhood has a slew of lower-middle class whites and no blacks. It isn't expensive and there is almost no crime. They are choosing not to move here.

I see so what you are saying is that poor white people don't commit crimes? Only poor black people right?

I grew up in a rural area of PA and I had zero blacks, asians or latinos around where I lived. I went to highschool at a town that was about 10 minutes of driving from where I lived - about 8000 - 10000 residents. Graduating class was around 300 kids, and we had the highest amount of black kids in my class at 3 compared to the grades around us. I believe that PA is one of the most racist states in the country. I also knew quite a few people who were racists, and I have no idea if they still are or if it was primarily due to teen behavior they outgrew because they were emulating parents. It's a big reason for why I think PSU has a lot of crazy problems at that campus. IMHO, it's one of the most racist universities in the country. I'm actually surprised that any minority would ever consider going to PSU if they were not playing sports. Pitt is a much more diverse campus - at least when I was there - and it was a fun place because you got the opportunity to experience a lot of other cultures and people without the fear of any racial strife. Having said that, the surrounding Pittsburgh area still contains a fair amount of racism too. IMHO, most of the racism will leave as the older American's continue to die off.

(04-30-2015 12:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

I would agree...

However, I don't believe housing segregation today being about color but more about income, education and crime. People segregate themselves from areas of high crime and high poverty and bad schools. Those "white" enclaves have people of color, just not in large numbers. Those "white" enclaves also lack whites who are poor, btw. They do include people of color who are educated, employed, etc., etc.

As an example, look at any major city. You have highly dense black areas, highly dense white areas and then very diverse areas. The common thread is income level in each.

I disagree. My neighborhood has a slew of lower-middle class whites and no blacks. It isn't expensive and there is almost no crime. They are choosing not to move here.

I see so what you are saying is that poor white people don't commit crimes? Only poor black people right?

Lower-middle class, not poor. Try to follow. Lower-middle class requires an income and self-sufficiency. No, lower-middle class blacks generally do not commit crimes. Lack of work and lack of self-sufficiency breed crime, not skin color. By crime I mean something that affects me like assault, robbery, burglary, arson, vandalism, etc. Obviously, no race or class is immune to domestic situations or simple drug possession.

No, liberals, you are the racists. Your party created the Klan. Your party created and enforced Jim Crow. Those weren’t Republicans beating black skulls in Selma – they were Democrats. Bull Connor was a union-loving populist and a delegate to a Democrat National Convention. You liberals elected a KKK member as your Senate Majority Leader and then made him your President Pro Tempore, and you did it in this century. And the only reason he is leaving office is because he retired, not like you pushed him out...

The only group of people that are obsessed with race in the United States is the intellectual liberal class. And the intellectual liberal class idea of a conversation on how how to solve racism is one upper-class white progressive chatting with another upper-class white progressive about a story he heard on NPR.

(04-30-2015 12:46 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 12:30 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:51 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 11:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color.

I would agree...

However, I don't believe housing segregation today being about color but more about income, education and crime. People segregate themselves from areas of high crime and high poverty and bad schools. Those "white" enclaves have people of color, just not in large numbers. Those "white" enclaves also lack whites who are poor, btw. They do include people of color who are educated, employed, etc., etc.

As an example, look at any major city. You have highly dense black areas, highly dense white areas and then very diverse areas. The common thread is income level in each.

I disagree. My neighborhood has a slew of lower-middle class whites and no blacks. It isn't expensive and there is almost no crime. They are choosing not to move here.

I see so what you are saying is that poor white people don't commit crimes? Only poor black people right?

Lower-middle class, not poor. Try to follow. Lower-middle class requires an income and self-sufficiency. No, lower-middle class blacks generally do not commit crimes. Lack of work and lack of self-sufficiency breed crime, not skin color. By crime I mean something that affects me like assault, robbery, burglary, arson, vandalism, etc. Obviously, no race or class is immune to domestic situations or simple drug possession.

"My neighborhood has a slew of lower-middle class whites and no blacks. It isn't expensive and there is almost no crime. They are choosing not to move here."

It was that statement that threw me off.

(04-30-2015 11:29 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What's more racist.....folks who throw around the "n word" or folks who go to great lengths to completely segregate themselves from people of color?

Unless you're in some backwards place that hasn't changed or are old enough to have lived through Jim Crow (plenty of those people still exist), the n-word is just a slur like anything else. And someone calling you that doesn't make them the most evil demeaning person to exist. The person that does that could be the paramedic that saves your life or the billionaire sports owner that makes you a millionaire.

Not that I condone or want to be called that but I'd rather that happen than someone deny me a job on the basis of race.

(04-30-2015 12:46 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I grew up in a rural area of PA and I had zero blacks, asians or latinos around where I lived. I went to highschool at a town that was about 10 minutes of driving from where I lived - about 8000 - 10000 residents. Graduating class was around 300 kids, and we had the highest amount of black kids in my class at 3 compared to the grades around us. I believe that PA is one of the most racist states in the country. I also knew quite a few people who were racists, and I have no idea if they still are or if it was primarily due to teen behavior they outgrew because they were emulating parents. It's a big reason for why I think PSU has a lot of crazy problems at that campus. IMHO, it's one of the most racist universities in the country. I'm actually surprised that any minority would ever consider going to PSU if they were not playing sports. Pitt is a much more diverse campus - at least when I was there - and it was a fun place because you got the opportunity to experience a lot of other cultures and people without the fear of any racial strife. Having said that, the surrounding Pittsburgh area still contains a fair amount of racism too. IMHO, most of the racism will leave as the older American's continue to die off.

Did you troll them too?

There's an old saying ... Southerners don't mind how close blacks get to them, as long as they don't get very far up the social ladder. Northerners don't care how high blacks advance, just as long as they don't get too close.

I lived my first 24 years up north and the last 29 years down south. That saying has some truth to it.