(04-29-2015 08:02 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 07:59 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 05:23 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The Mac and CUSA are honestly the same shade of who gives a ****. ..

As is every G5.

Ya, keep believing that. Sorry bud but there is a big difference between the AAC and the MAC. Its why our total income is about 3-4 times that of the MAC... and also why were on tv about 5 times as much.

you're splitting hairs to lay claim to being the tallest midget. The AAC's TV contract is $18M/yr, the MAC's is $10M/yr, CFP payout last year was $14.1M for AAC, $12M for the MAC, NCAA Tournament payout was $1,058,280 for AAC, $846,624 for the MAC.

That's around $33.2M for the AAC, $22.8M for the MAC. That's not "3-4 times" more. Keep dreaming pal.

AAC total payout is at least 3x the MAC. The MAC is fine, but it is what it is. The AAC is on another stratosphere from the sunbelt, c-usa, and mac.

Forbes...might want to read

I should've prefaced this by saying NIU is a suggestion as a REPLACEMENT school guys... if UCONN or UC is plucked like a great deal are speculating then that's where i believe they have a viable chance at moving to the AAC and should be looked at. BYU isnt coming, i think you have to let that dream die...

(04-29-2015 09:21 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Forbes...might want to read

I haven't seen that article, good info. Thanks!

(04-29-2015 09:08 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 08:02 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 07:59 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 05:23 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The Mac and CUSA are honestly the same shade of who gives a ****. ..

As is every G5.

Ya, keep believing that. Sorry bud but there is a big difference between the AAC and the MAC. Its why our total income is about 3-4 times that of the MAC... and also why were on tv about 5 times as much.

you're splitting hairs to lay claim to being the tallest midget. The AAC's TV contract is $18M/yr, the MAC's is $10M/yr, CFP payout last year was $14.1M for AAC, $12M for the MAC, NCAA Tournament payout was $1,058,280 for AAC, $846,624 for the MAC.

That's around $33.2M for the AAC, $22.8M for the MAC. That's not "3-4 times" more. Keep dreaming pal.

I overstated on 3-4 but your missing income pal. You chose the lowest year for NCAA tournament payouts. Last year USF received just short of $3 million from the rolling credits, then add in the fact that our bowls pay more then yours and our TV contract has a base of $18 million and then additional monies for performance and number of games shown. Aresco has stated before that it comes closer to $22 million or $2 million per team... then add in that we split that 11 ways whereas you split it 13.
I wont even mention the fact that our Under Armor, Nike and other deals are all higher then any MAC. (USF gets about $2 million a year... what does Ohio get?)

And you better hope Umass stays, cause your about to lose your largest market.

Then add in that we are all splitting about $100 million from exit fees for the next few years. USF will actually bang out an income of about $8 million... and Ohio will get maybe $2... so my 4 times might have not been so wrong.

So essentially yall have about $23 million and we have a bit over $40 million. We split it 11 and you split it 13.... and tell me again how your equal?

There are three levels of BCS,
P5
AAC followed by the MWC..

and then the rest. You sir, are the rest.


and in 4 years we renegotiate our contract, which is expected to rise significantly... whereas you are looking at 2027 before youll get any additional income.

(04-29-2015 09:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  There are three levels of BCS,
P5
AAC followed by the MWC..

and then the rest. You sir, are the rest.

This is a laugh out loud fantasy. Seriously.

(04-29-2015 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  AAC total payout is at least 3x the MAC. The MAC is fine, but it is what it is. The AAC is on another stratosphere from the sunbelt, c-usa, and mac.

Ha...the American makes roughly 600k more per team than CUSA teams. And that number shrinks even more when Navy comes on board. Not to mention....we got the bigger share of FBS revenue sharing because CUSA was the stronger football conference this past year. I expect that trend to continue this year as well.

(04-29-2015 09:49 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 09:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  There are three levels of BCS,
P5
AAC followed by the MWC..

and then the rest. You sir, are the rest.

This is a laugh out loud fantasy. Seriously.

Nice comeback.... you're dismissed sir. The kiddie table awaits you.


You make considerably less money than the AAC. You get nowhere near the coverage and outside of NIUs decent years where they got trashed, your sports are nothing more then padding for the rest.

When was your last BCS bowl win? When was your last men or womans national championship? How many times has the MAC been to super regionals.... back in 2010 Akron was solid in Soccer, but hasnt done a ton since?

I mean hell dude, even CUSA got $4 million a year in TV money than the MAC. At best, your 9th on income...and I think the Sunbelt may actually make more too.

BYU, Army, and Air Force are not joining the AAC. There is no need to throw UMASS a bone for their BB and Olympic Sports. Enter into scheduling agrrements with UMASS, Army, and BYU. Schedule 3 - 6 games each with of them. Eight games if that is what UMASS wants. You can schedule them as an alternative in the MIAMI BOWL or let them in on some of the lower tier bowls. Air Force is not leaving the MWC so there is no need to discuss them at all here except for OOC games if a school wants to schedule them. The other schools leave their other sports in the conferences they are in. No need to share BB revenue with them. Schedule BYU, Army, and UMASS OOC for BB and Olympic Sports individually if conference schools want too.

Let this conference grow together for now and keep what ever revenue that is coming in among the current conference mates. If Cinn or UConn get the golden ticket out that they are seeking then evaluate the situation and make the best possible moves for replacement schools. Right now Army and BYU are strong enough to stand on their own as independents in FB and have their other sports in conferences where they want them. UMASS has it's BB and other sports where they want them too. They would not move the other sports to the MAC or they wouldn't be getting kicked out of the MAC. Just give them a scheduling agreement for 4 to 8 games and see if they continue with the stadium commitments they need to move on to join the AAC down the road. Once they are half in for the other sports you are stuck with them if someone better comes along. Don't get me wrong I like UMASS but there is no need to add them for anything right now other than a FB scheduling agreement while realignment, deregulation, and other possible CFP options continue to play out.

(04-29-2015 10:06 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  AAC total payout is at least 3x the MAC. The MAC is fine, but it is what it is. The AAC is on another stratosphere from the sunbelt, c-usa, and mac.

Ha...the American makes roughly 600k more per team than CUSA teams. And that number shrinks even more when Navy comes on board. Not to mention....we got the bigger share of FBS revenue sharing because CUSA was the stronger football conference this past year. I expect that trend to continue this year as well.

Cute. Your flagship programs are Western Kentucky and Marshall. Let me repeat that for you...your flagship programs in Conference USA are now Western Kentucky and Marshall. Funny right? I know.

Just let go. Wave goodbye and just wish us the best.

(04-30-2015 07:27 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 10:06 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  AAC total payout is at least 3x the MAC. The MAC is fine, but it is what it is. The AAC is on another stratosphere from the sunbelt, c-usa, and mac.

Ha...the American makes roughly 600k more per team than CUSA teams. And that number shrinks even more when Navy comes on board. Not to mention....we got the bigger share of FBS revenue sharing because CUSA was the stronger football conference this past year. I expect that trend to continue this year as well.

CUSA will sign a new TV deal soon, likely for aprox 1mil per school.

Navy for now does not get any FB money from the American, they keep their own TV deal until it is done.

When American redoes it's TV deal Navy will be on board, That is a plus not negative. 1/2 the Army game alone will boost the contract, add to that ND every other year.

BB will get more $$$ next time as well. My guess and yes it is only a guess is AAC will get 4 to 6 mil per school, once that happens we become the clear best of the rest or tweener conf. CUSA will usually be seen as #8 after MWC.

(04-30-2015 07:38 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 07:27 AM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 10:06 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  AAC total payout is at least 3x the MAC. The MAC is fine, but it is what it is. The AAC is on another stratosphere from the sunbelt, c-usa, and mac.

Ha...the American makes roughly 600k more per team than CUSA teams. And that number shrinks even more when Navy comes on board. Not to mention....we got the bigger share of FBS revenue sharing because CUSA was the stronger football conference this past year. I expect that trend to continue this year as well.

Cute. Your flagship programs are Western Kentucky and Marshall. Let me repeat that for you...your flagship programs in Conference USA are now Western Kentucky and Marshall. Funny right? I know.

Just let go. Wave goodbye and just wish us the best.

CUSA will sign a new TV deal soon, likely for aprox 1mil per school.
Navy for now does not get any FB money from the American, they keep their own TV deal until it is done. When American redoes it's TV deal Navy will be on board, That is a plus not negative. 1/2 the Army game alone will boost the contract, add to that ND every other year.
BB will get more $$$ next time as well. My guess and yes it is only a guess is AAC will get 4 to 6 mil per school, once that happens we become the clear best of the rest or tweener conf. CUSA will usually be seen as #8 after MWC.

I just skimmed the Forbes article. Is $72,000,000 (AAC) > $7,500,000 (CUSA).

(04-29-2015 10:06 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  AAC total payout is at least 3x the MAC. The MAC is fine, but it is what it is. The AAC is on another stratosphere from the sunbelt, c-usa, and mac.

Ha...the American makes roughly 600k more per team than CUSA teams. And that number shrinks even more when Navy comes on board. Not to mention....we got the bigger share of FBS revenue sharing because CUSA was the stronger football conference this past year. I expect that trend to continue this year as well.

The problem for Conf USA is that it has already reached it max financial matrix. There is no room to grow the conference financially because none of the schools increase value for a network. The conference is primarily filler for networks similar to infomercials. You can not build financial steam with teams that have little to no history of winning or have minuscule market share in the regions in which they inhabit.

Name one school in Conference USA that a network can promote? Also, in terms of Conf USA being a better football conference, just look at the bowl and bowl wins the conference had. They worked the system by playing inferior competition which in turn lead to some better numbers than the AAC. Going forward however, the AAC is a much better financial and branding position than Conf USA by miles.

Honestly we better hope the c-USA tv deal doesn't get reduced to $200-$300k. A few of us will be paying out if that happens. No idea how it works since they added more than 12 members. The contract never discussed if it is net revenue per team or total conference revenue. I'm sure the lawyers will figure it out. The c-USA basketball has been completely ignored by cbs, so I don't know if the hoops side has any value.

The Forbes article is a year old. Bowl income for American clearly has gone down, the new TV deal is smaller than the left over year of old one as well. The Gulf from AAC to CUSA is somewhat smaller than it was in Apr 2014.

That being said, CUSA has no short term upside, the AAC does. The first year of a short 6 year TV deal is in the books, Things are likely to remain stable for a few years, and the Brand will be better when the next TV deal happens.
I can't see less than 1 mil BB and 3mil FB per school. That would be 3 1/2 to 4 times the size of what CUSA is going to get. I tend to think the deal will be better than 4 mil, and no I am not one who thinks we will get 9 or 10 mil. But 5 or 6 is very possible.

(04-30-2015 08:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The Forbes article is a year old. Bowl income for American clearly has gone down, the new TV deal is smaller than the left over year of old one as well. The Gulf from AAC to CUSA is somewhat smaller than it was in Apr 2014.

That being said, CUSA has no short term upside, the AAC does. The first year of a short 6 year TV deal is in the books, Things are likely to remain stable for a few years, and the Brand will be better when the next TV deal happens.
I can't see less than 1 mil BB and 3mil FB per school. That would be 3 1/2 to 4 times the size of what CUSA is going to get. I tend to think the deal will be better than 4 mil, and no I am not one who thinks we will get 9 or 10 mil. But 5 or 6 is very possible.

I think many will be shocked at the new c-Usa deal. CBS has been buying AAC basketball games from ESPN and not airing c-Usa basketball games. On the football side, there isn't any punch in the c-usa. Marshall is the biggest name and they are not exactly a large draw. No teams that can get 40k on a regular basis (maybe UTEP if they ever turn it around). Basically a bundle of lower division team start-ups and sunbelt teams. I hope they get close to $1 million for our sake.

I'm not necessarily against some sort of scheduling arrangement with UMass, and then see how it goes for a while. But they definitely need to do some serious expansion-work on McGuirk ASAP.

(04-30-2015 08:06 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Honestly we better hope the c-USA tv deal doesn't get reduced to $200-$300k. A few of us will be paying out if that happens. No idea how it works since they added more than 12 members. The contract never discussed if it is net revenue per team or total conference revenue. I'm sure the lawyers will figure it out. The c-USA basketball has been completely ignored by cbs, so I don't know if the hoops side has any value.

They will get at least what the Mac does. 750k is likely their floor. I tend to think they will maintain what they have today.

(04-29-2015 06:01 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  My tone has changed on Umass. The last thing we need is a bottom feeder football program with terrible support and facilities. It would be fine if we had 4 top 25 caliber teams. If we are going for a project, odu is much better all around and further south.

You are going to eat those words. The media as painted us in black and as a nice whipping subject. The last two years we were painted as the worst FBS program while we never finished last in the MAC or as a whole.

If Fro stays health, we are going bowling this year. Take this statistic, last years spring game we had 6 OL, this year we have 14 OL. The defensive line maybe our weak link. We have a number of former NFL coaches on staff and the reason that our recruiting has not tanked, despite going independent. Besides the coaching staff, new Football Champion Center, our academics and college life in Amherst also have appeal to student athletes.

Edit: Forgot about our kicking game, which cost us a couple of wins last year. We are giving a full ride to a kicker this year and hope it works out.

This is from our sold-out Saturday game at McGuirk.


This is from a mid week, cold November game, which shows part of the Football Performance Center and people on the patio. This is from my seat in the middle section.