(04-28-2015 08:21 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 08:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 06:09 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?

No lib has ever answered that.

It doesn't.

This is more about opportunity. That neighborhood has had a talent drain of people with high education, income and moral character. Everybody that could afford to leave has. Leaving only the extreme poor and those that prey on them. The biggest employer is the drug trade and robbing the good people who work. The schools suck. It's a miserable place. That is why they burn it down.

Republicans love equal opportunity. We hate equal results.

Too bad that they don't go into those communities and spread this message.

Democrats have demonized Republicans as bigoted snobs who all have KKK robes in their closets. After nearly 100 years, that stereotype is set in stone in the minds of blacks.

But you're right; more outreach should be done. Jack Kemp was good at that. Rand Paul is trying.

I saw a tweet today from Kevin Williamson that summed things up pretty well.

Quote:Baltimore is the Left fighting the Left over the failed policies of the Left.

(04-28-2015 01:09 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Do you know why Baltimore burned on Monday?

Blame pent-up anger over police brutality and the mysterious death of Freddie Gray.

And blame the disgusting looters who robbed stores and beat up reporters — in broad daylight.

But the real culprit isn’t a new problem.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2...re-burned/

Baltimore is the poster child for poor Urban leadership. THIS is the biggest cause.

(04-28-2015 09:10 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I saw a tweet today from Kevin Williamson that summed things up pretty well.

Quote:Baltimore is the Left fighting the Left over the failed policies of the Left.

This has nothing to do with politics.

(04-28-2015 02:36 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Too many guns in our society.

The cops are scared of everyone on the streets, so they use excessive force.

The victims of the violence aren't perfect, so juries tend to take the police's side in the few cases where police brutality is being challenged. A total lack of faith by certain communities that the criminal justice system will work for justice when their community is targeted.

Cops not living in the cities they police so they might not understand or respect the dynamics of the communities they are policing.

Economic issues. Its better to have a 'talented 45%' than a 'talented tenth', but that still leaves a lot of people on the outside looking in. And the have nots are increasingly marginalized in concentrated communities.

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The solutions

1) Gun control. You can't reduce increasing police force while increasing the number of lethal firearms in the society. Its not going to work

2) Stricter oversight and control of our law enforcement officers. Body cams and an end to harassment of bystanders taking film of cops would be a start.

3) Additional legislation to prevent jury nullification or to enable guilty verdicts when police are obviously overstepping their authority.

4) On economic issues, I don't know what the solution is, but additional tax cuts for rich whites (or rich blacks), opposition to living wage issues, or taxpayer handouts to religious schools isn't likely to be the answer. I think living wage legislation might help. Maybe equality in funding for school districts (no more carve outs for rich, largely white, school districts)

5) An end to Fox News/white cheerleading of those perpetrating violence against African Americans. Trust me, people saw the cheerleaders for Zimmerman and the cops that killed in Ferguson.

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Violence begets violence. More guns = more violence. More police brutality = more violence. More impunity = more violence. I'm not cheerleading it, but something like this (or even worse) was largely inevitable.

Oh, goody. Seems you'd fit right in with, say Puuty- Pute?

Why not simply move on over there and live the dream?

And what "cops" killed in Ferguson? Please name names.

"Full retard" doesn't begin to describe this. Good grief.

(04-28-2015 05:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?

No lib has ever answered that.

No one is arguing for that. What we are asking for is a guarantee that if you work 40 hours a week, you'll have a basic standard of living, health care, housing affordability security, security in one's old age, etc. You can't do that in Baltimore at 9 bucks an hour. You can't do that in Baltimore at 15 bucks an hour.

Lol. My God you are simple. Do you just not get it? Or is this a put on?

I can "work" 20 hours a day, 7 days a week, so far more than your 40 hours, more like 140 hours, digging sand, filling a bucket, making a nice hole, dumping sand, smoothing it over all pretty, then begin digging again. You paying me 15 bucks an hour for that? How about 9 bucks?

If you provide no value, your work has no value, get that? If your work is less valuable than 9, or 15, or even 3.85 an hour, then you get no work.
Why is this so hard to figure out? Make as much as you'd like, no one is stopping you.

Except, perhaps, you. (generic sense)

(04-29-2015 12:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 09:10 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I saw a tweet today from Kevin Williamson that summed things up pretty well.

Quote:Baltimore is the Left fighting the Left over the failed policies of the Left.

This has nothing to do with politics.

(04-28-2015 09:10 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I saw a tweet today from Kevin Williamson that summed things up pretty well.

Quote:Baltimore is the Left fighting the Left over the failed policies of the Left.

They showed up. Unlike the right.

(04-29-2015 05:40 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 09:10 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I saw a tweet today from Kevin Williamson that summed things up pretty well.

Quote:Baltimore is the Left fighting the Left over the failed policies of the Left.

They showed up. Unlike the right.

Yet NYC under Rudy's leadership managed somehow to improve Harlem and other areas of the city that were having the same problems Baltimore has. Go figure.

You dont get cred for showing up and doing a schitty job.

(04-29-2015 12:22 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 09:10 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I saw a tweet today from Kevin Williamson that summed things up pretty well.

Quote:Baltimore is the Left fighting the Left over the failed policies of the Left.

This has nothing to do with politics.

Not saying this is strictly about politics, but you can't believe that politics played no part at all

(04-28-2015 05:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?

No lib has ever answered that.

No one is arguing for that. What we are asking for is a guarantee that if you work 40 hours a week, you'll have a basic standard of living, health care, housing affordability security, security in one's old age, etc. You can't do that in Baltimore at 9 bucks an hour. You can't do that in Baltimore at 15 bucks an hour.

If you pay someone more than they're worth in a free labor market, that's a transfer of wealth. The extra money has to come from somewhere. Who's going to pay for their health care, "affordable" housing, and pension? That money must be taken from someone else. That's equalizing incomes.

Most poverty is explained through poor choices ... dropping out of school, having children at a young age, single parenthood, etc. Why should I have to pay for someone else's mistakes?

(04-29-2015 06:04 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?

No lib has ever answered that.

No one is arguing for that. What we are asking for is a guarantee that if you work 40 hours a week, you'll have a basic standard of living, health care, housing affordability security, security in one's old age, etc. You can't do that in Baltimore at 9 bucks an hour. You can't do that in Baltimore at 15 bucks an hour.

If you pay someone more than they're worth in a free labor market, that's a transfer of wealth. The extra money has to come from somewhere. Who's going to pay for their health care, "affordable" housing, and pension? That money must be taken from someone else. That's equalizing incomes.

Most poverty is explained through poor choices ... dropping out of school, having children at a young age, single parenthood, etc. Why should I have to pay for someone else's mistakes?

Fairness man. It is all about fairness.

(04-29-2015 06:06 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 06:04 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?

No lib has ever answered that.

No one is arguing for that. What we are asking for is a guarantee that if you work 40 hours a week, you'll have a basic standard of living, health care, housing affordability security, security in one's old age, etc. You can't do that in Baltimore at 9 bucks an hour. You can't do that in Baltimore at 15 bucks an hour.

If you pay someone more than they're worth in a free labor market, that's a transfer of wealth. The extra money has to come from somewhere. Who's going to pay for their health care, "affordable" housing, and pension? That money must be taken from someone else. That's equalizing incomes.

Most poverty is explained through poor choices ... dropping out of school, having children at a young age, single parenthood, etc. Why should I have to pay for someone else's mistakes?

Fairness man. It is all about fairness.

What's fair is letting people keep what they earn.

(04-28-2015 05:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?

No lib has ever answered that.

No one is arguing for that. What we are asking for is a guarantee that if you work 40 hours a week, you'll have a basic standard of living, health care, housing affordability security, security in one's old age, etc. You can't do that in Baltimore at 9 bucks an hour. You can't do that in Baltimore at 15 bucks an hour.

So is the wage desired due to just working 40 hours/week or for the TYPE of work done during those 40 hours? Because those are two very different things.

(04-28-2015 05:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?
No lib has ever answered that.

No one is arguing for that. What we are asking for is a guarantee that if you work 40 hours a week, you'll have a basic standard of living, health care, housing affordability security, security in one's old age, etc. You can't do that in Baltimore at 9 bucks an hour. You can't do that in Baltimore at 15 bucks an hour.

Where in the Constitution does it say that?

(04-28-2015 08:21 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 08:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 06:09 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?

No lib has ever answered that.

It doesn't.

This is more about opportunity. That neighborhood has had a talent drain of people with high education, income and moral character. Everybody that could afford to leave has. Leaving only the extreme poor and those that prey on them. The biggest employer is the drug trade and robbing the good people who work. The schools suck. It's a miserable place. That is why they burn it down.

Republicans love equal opportunity. We hate equal results.

Too bad that they don't go into those communities and spread this message.

The message fall on deaf ears. You say the schools suck, what is that a function of? Mostly a lack of discipline from the students that eventually morphs into apathy. The solution for that problem is well within reach. Construction and electrical jobs with the requisite training are there for the taking, but you can't force people to work. Sometimes people make bad decisions not out of ignorance but simply because they know they will be immune the full repercussions of their actions.

(04-29-2015 07:19 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?
No lib has ever answered that.

No one is arguing for that. What we are asking for is a guarantee that if you work 40 hours a week, you'll have a basic standard of living, health care, housing affordability security, security in one's old age, etc. You can't do that in Baltimore at 9 bucks an hour. You can't do that in Baltimore at 15 bucks an hour.

Where in the Constitution does it say that?

It doesn't. But if you want to know why people don't work....its because working doesn't change anything for many people. The GOP attempt to push people out of welfare by cutting to the bone hasn't done squat for our inner cities. Lets try a minimum wage that is a living wage.

It would get rid of the inherent subsidy that the taxpayers give to Wal Mart or McDonalds too. Right now, the taxpayers take up the slack so that many companies can make more money off of low wage employees. You're paying for those 'everyday low prices' whether you shop at Wal Mart or not. You just pay for most of it on April 15. But in today's case, the worker gets low wages and dependance on government handouts and the corporations employing them get an effective (and huge) subsidy. Making a living wage the minimum wage would right that inefficiency and might even reduce government handouts.

(04-29-2015 11:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  It doesn't. But if you want to know why people don't work....its because working doesn't change anything for many people. The GOP attempt to push people out of welfare by cutting to the bone hasn't done squat for our inner cities. Lets try a minimum wage that is a living wage.

Baltimore did try that. How's it working?

Working changes everything for everybody, but a $9/hr job at McDondald's isn't mean to be a career that provides a big home, new cars, and nice clothes for a family.

(04-29-2015 11:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 07:19 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 05:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Where in our Constitution does it say we need to equalize incomes?
No lib has ever answered that.

No one is arguing for that. What we are asking for is a guarantee that if you work 40 hours a week, you'll have a basic standard of living, health care, housing affordability security, security in one's old age, etc. You can't do that in Baltimore at 9 bucks an hour. You can't do that in Baltimore at 15 bucks an hour.

Where in the Constitution does it say that?

Lets try a minimum wage that is a living wage.

"Living wage" is such an intellectually and economically lazy phrase.

What is a "living wage?" Such a concept would differ throughout the country based on many factors like geography, cost of living, etc.

There are folks who make millions per year and live their lives BROKE. Do they still make a "living wage?" Meanwhile there are families that make 25k a year who live comfortably due to their own financial responsibility. Is that a "living wage?"

Folks cannot clamor for "living wages" when those making "low" wages are somehow able to afford iPhones, brand new cars, tattoos up and down their bodies, the newest shoes, etc. The problem isn't wages. The problem is lack of personal responsibility. A lack of accountability. A lack of brains.

(04-29-2015 05:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-29-2015 05:40 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 09:10 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I saw a tweet today from Kevin Williamson that summed things up pretty well.

Quote:Baltimore is the Left fighting the Left over the failed policies of the Left.

They showed up. Unlike the right.

Yet NYC under Rudy's leadership managed somehow to improve Harlem and other areas of the city that were having the same problems Baltimore has. Go figure.

You dont get cred for showing up and doing a schitty job.

And how exactly did Rudy improve Harlem? Can you be more specific?