Coaches like Boeheim want 24 secs. Personally for me 30 secs is good compromise for now. Look at it in 3-5 years and see if 24 secs is required then.

The grab-a-thons and deliberate killing of the shot clock is making college hoops unwatchable.

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2015/4/28/8...im-boeheim

Ugh. Offense is ugly - so let's just get more ugly possessions per game!

If they just changed the rule with zero publicity, I expect very few fans would ever notice the difference.

(04-28-2015 11:16 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Ugh. Offense is ugly - so let's just get more ugly possessions per game!

This. The result will be more ugly, hurried shots and more offenses that are basically "give it to our best player and let him go 1-on-1."

except for the small fact that in the postseason tournaments where they used the 30 second shot clock, the offenses were actually more efficient than in the regular season. When I saw that stat a month ago or so, I knew if there was any chance of it not passing, that was gone. Really takes away the only argument about it.

(04-28-2015 12:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  except for the small fact that in the postseason tournaments where they used the 30 second shot clock, the offenses were actually more efficient than in the regular season. When I saw that stat a month ago or so, I knew if there was any chance of it not passing, that was gone. Really takes away the only argument about it.

And the differences, in that small sample, were very small.

(04-28-2015 12:51 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 12:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  except for the small fact that in the postseason tournaments where they used the 30 second shot clock, the offenses were actually more efficient than in the regular season. When I saw that stat a month ago or so, I knew if there was any chance of it not passing, that was gone. Really takes away the only argument about it.

And the differences, in that small sample, were very small.

right. The fact that the offenses weren't less efficient was important. Took away the biggest excuse folks had to keep the shot clock the way it was.

Now the stall offenses, most famously Princeton, won't be able to compete.

(04-28-2015 01:02 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Now the stall offenses, most famously Princeton, won't be able to compete.

Those offenses weren't truly competing anyways.

5 seconds won't matter that much. Got to remember the NIT did have a 8/1 upset in rd 1. So upsets will still take place.

(04-28-2015 01:02 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Now the stall offenses, most famously Princeton, won't be able to compete.

As stever points out, those offenses are just as efficient with a 30 second clock as they were with a 35 second clock. That is, it didn't take them 35 seconds to find/create the shot they wanted. They just waited that long and worked their offense that long before taking that shot. The main difference is that they will now have to defend the other guys for a few more possessions per game than they did before.

Hope next is to move three point line to NBA distance.Will help spacing and make the extra point more merited.

Let's ruin a great game even more and go to a 15 second shot clock...nothing but shooting and scoring! We want 200 point games every game...no, 300!!!

Ridiculous! Keep the college game the same, a balance of offense and defense. College fans like both. A 30 second shot clock does not "mitigate" a bad game. In fact scoring will be even more lopsided with a shorter shot clock.

(04-28-2015 03:25 PM)Badger Wrote:  Let's ruin a great game even more and go to a 15 second shot clock...nothing but shooting and scoring! We want 200 point games every game...no, 300!!!

Ridiculous! Keep the college game the same, a balance of offense and defense. College fans like both. A 30 second shot clock does not "mitigate" a bad game. In fact scoring will be even more lopsided with a shorter shot clock.

The data just doesn't support that. Remember- the college men are the only place in the world that has a shot clock that long. High School, Women's college ball, international- all are at 30 seconds(or 24).

What the college game also needs though is the college admin not being wimps and having a backbone and calling the games like they started to do 2 years ago. But then the cowards made the refs back down and allow the games to get back to mugging. That's what would really help college basketball the most. 1 set of standards nationwide.

(04-28-2015 03:25 PM)Badger Wrote:  Let's ruin a great game even more and go to a 15 second shot clock...nothing but shooting and scoring! We want 200 point games every game...no, 300!!!

Ridiculous! Keep the college game the same, a balance of offense and defense. College fans like both. A 30 second shot clock does not "mitigate" a bad game. In fact scoring will be even more lopsided with a shorter shot clock.

I wish the NBA had done that instead of changing so many rules in support of the offensive players. More shots means more chances for points.

This is great for Arkansas. Now if they would just move the 3 point line back.

(04-28-2015 02:18 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Hope next is to move three point line to NBA distance.Will help spacing and make the extra point more merited.

That's too long for college. But the international distance would be a good move.

(04-28-2015 03:25 PM)Badger Wrote:  Let's ruin a great game even more and go to a 15 second shot clock...nothing but shooting and scoring! We want 200 point games every game...no, 300!!!

Ridiculous! Keep the college game the same, a balance of offense and defense. College fans like both. A 30 second shot clock does not "mitigate" a bad game. In fact scoring will be even more lopsided with a shorter shot clock.

There were teams averaging nearly 100 points per game in the days before the shot clock and the 3 point shot. The coaches play it less risky and there is a lot more contact allowed.

(04-28-2015 03:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 03:25 PM)Badger Wrote:  Let's ruin a great game even more and go to a 15 second shot clock...nothing but shooting and scoring! We want 200 point games every game...no, 300!!!

Ridiculous! Keep the college game the same, a balance of offense and defense. College fans like both. A 30 second shot clock does not "mitigate" a bad game. In fact scoring will be even more lopsided with a shorter shot clock.

I wish the NBA had done that instead of changing so many rules in support of the offensive players. More shots means more chances for points.

what rules did the NBA change? To actually call a hand check a foul? Oh the horror. To call bumping a cutter a foul? Huge stuff there. Defenses have no right to mug players...

The point is that the NBA manipulated rules because they were tired of games ending 78-77 in the late 90's. I wish they had just shortened the shot clock instead of literally changing the way the game could be played.

(04-28-2015 04:54 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The point is that the NBA manipulated rules because they were tired of games ending 78-77 in the late 90's. I wish they had just shortened the shot clock instead of literally changing the way the game could be played.

They actually went back to calling the game like it used to be called. That's not manipulating the rules. Who manipulated the rules were the coaches who started coaching mugging offensive players instead of actually you know, playing defense. How the games are played now are like how the games were in the NBA in the 80's to some degree- just no short shorts!