(04-28-2015 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 04:54 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The point is that the NBA manipulated rules because they were tired of games ending 78-77 in the late 90's. I wish they had just shortened the shot clock instead of literally changing the way the game could be played.

They actually went back to calling the game like it used to be called. That's not manipulating the rules. Who manipulated the rules were the coaches who started coaching mugging offensive players instead of actually you know, playing defense. How the games are played now are like how the games were in the NBA in the 80's to some degree- just no short shorts!

That is a win-win.

Thank God John Stockton retired.

^

And that's a rare sentence where the first four words are capitalized and its not an acronym of some kind.

(04-28-2015 05:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 04:54 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The point is that the NBA manipulated rules because they were tired of games ending 78-77 in the late 90's. I wish they had just shortened the shot clock instead of literally changing the way the game could be played.

They actually went back to calling the game like it used to be called. That's not manipulating the rules. Who manipulated the rules were the coaches who started coaching mugging offensive players instead of actually you know, playing defense. How the games are played now are like how the games were in the NBA in the 80's to some degree- just no short shorts!

That's right. Wisconsin and several other teams in this year's NCAA tournament were basically playing 1980s Detroit Pistons defense -- they fill the game with lots of hand checks and body checks and dare the officials to blow the whistle, knowing that the refs are not going to call a foul every 10 seconds no matter how many fouls are actually committed.

(04-28-2015 03:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 02:18 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Hope next is to move three point line to NBA distance.Will help spacing and make the extra point more merited.

That's too long for college. But the international distance would be a good move.

^This^

(04-28-2015 03:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 03:25 PM)Badger Wrote:  Let's ruin a great game even more and go to a 15 second shot clock...nothing but shooting and scoring! We want 200 point games every game...no, 300!!!

Ridiculous! Keep the college game the same, a balance of offense and defense. College fans like both. A 30 second shot clock does not "mitigate" a bad game. In fact scoring will be even more lopsided with a shorter shot clock.

The data just doesn't support that. Remember- the college men are the only place in the world that has a shot clock that long. High School, Women's college ball, international- all are at 30 seconds(or 24).

What the college game also needs though is the college admin not being wimps and having a backbone and calling the games like they started to do 2 years ago. But then the cowards made the refs back down and allow the games to get back to mugging. That's what would really help college basketball the most. 1 set of standards nationwide.

High school? Where? To the best of my knowledge, both Ohio and Indiana high school still have no shot clock. And the high school game is more popular here than anywhere else in the country.

Methinks you are pulling out any argument you can think of to support your case, regardless of whether it's true or not.

(04-28-2015 08:45 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 03:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 03:25 PM)Badger Wrote:  Let's ruin a great game even more and go to a 15 second shot clock...nothing but shooting and scoring! We want 200 point games every game...no, 300!!!

Ridiculous! Keep the college game the same, a balance of offense and defense. College fans like both. A 30 second shot clock does not "mitigate" a bad game. In fact scoring will be even more lopsided with a shorter shot clock.

The data just doesn't support that. Remember- the college men are the only place in the world that has a shot clock that long. High School, Women's college ball, international- all are at 30 seconds(or 24).

What the college game also needs though is the college admin not being wimps and having a backbone and calling the games like they started to do 2 years ago. But then the cowards made the refs back down and allow the games to get back to mugging. That's what would really help college basketball the most. 1 set of standards nationwide.

High school? Where? To the best of my knowledge, both Ohio and Indiana high school still have no shot clock. And the high school game is more popular here than anywhere else in the country.

Methinks you are pulling out any argument you can think of to support your case, regardless of whether it's true or not.

I don't know about basketball, but in football they pretty much universally follow NCAA rules except for the length of the game.

(04-28-2015 08:45 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 03:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 03:25 PM)Badger Wrote:  Let's ruin a great game even more and go to a 15 second shot clock...nothing but shooting and scoring! We want 200 point games every game...no, 300!!!

Ridiculous! Keep the college game the same, a balance of offense and defense. College fans like both. A 30 second shot clock does not "mitigate" a bad game. In fact scoring will be even more lopsided with a shorter shot clock.

The data just doesn't support that. Remember- the college men are the only place in the world that has a shot clock that long. High School, Women's college ball, international- all are at 30 seconds(or 24).

What the college game also needs though is the college admin not being wimps and having a backbone and calling the games like they started to do 2 years ago. But then the cowards made the refs back down and allow the games to get back to mugging. That's what would really help college basketball the most. 1 set of standards nationwide.

High school? Where? To the best of my knowledge, both Ohio and Indiana high school still have no shot clock. And the high school game is more popular here than anywhere else in the country.

Methinks you are pulling out any argument you can think of to support your case, regardless of whether it's true or not.

I know some high schools here in the DC area play with a 30 second shot clock. Not all of them, but some. Basically anyone except for college men that play with a shot clock- it's 30 seconds or lower.

bottom line with the shot clock- it's almost as much of a lock as there is for it to go to 30 seconds. No matter how much folks complain about it.