http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini...story.html

The pressure from states facing water shortages (up to 40 per the Trib) will make it increasingly challenging for states where water is (like Illinois) to hold onto all of it without some Governmental Agency or Congress acting on their behalf to take water out of the Great Lakes and not pay for it.

An Illinois State Water Survey conducted by the Prairie Research Institute claims that aquifers are producing approximately 7 Times the water Illinois residents and businesses use.

http://www.isws.illinois.edu/wsp/wsground.asp

With the financial situation the state is facing, an entrepreneurial leader (here's looking at you Gov Rauner) is needed to be proactive and pre emptive by offering to sell the state's river water to thirsty states before they start campaigning the federal government (again) into giving them access to Great Lakes water for free.

Revenue earned can be spent shoring up Pension Obligations and reducing or eliminating Regressive Taxation (State Sales Tax)

(04-27-2015 01:14 AM)Policiious Wrote:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini...story.html

The pressure from states facing water shortages (up to 40 per the Trib) will make it increasingly challenging for states where water is (like Illinois) to hold onto all of it without some Governmental Agency or Congress acting on their behalf to take water out of the Great Lakes and not pay for it.

An Illinois State Water Survey conducted by the Prairie Research Institute claims that aquifers are producing approximately 7 Times the water Illinois residents and businesses use.

http://www.isws.illinois.edu/wsp/wsground.asp

With the financial situation the state is facing, an entrepreneurial leader (here's looking at you Gov Rauner) is needed to be proactive and pre emptive by offering to sell the state's river water to thirsty states before they start campaigning the federal government (again) into giving them access to Great Lakes water for free.

Revenue earned can be spent shoring up Pension Obligations and reducing or eliminating Regressive Taxation (State Sales Tax)

Wait a minute....let me get my camera here! A Democrat complaining about the federal government taking an asset from those who have and distributing it to those who don't?? This is way too good to be true - a real Kodak moment!

Having said this, I totally agree with you. It makes too much sense and is a great idea. Illinois needs the money. I heard that there are some Illinois politicians whose pockets are getting low and need filling. Poor guys! That's how bad it is here.

(04-27-2015 01:14 AM)Policiious Wrote:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini...story.html

The pressure from states facing water shortages (up to 40 per the Trib) will make it increasingly challenging for states where water is (like Illinois) to hold onto all of it without some Governmental Agency or Congress acting on their behalf to take water out of the Great Lakes and not pay for it.

An Illinois State Water Survey conducted by the Prairie Research Institute claims that aquifers are producing approximately 7 Times the water Illinois residents and businesses use.

http://www.isws.illinois.edu/wsp/wsground.asp

With the financial situation the state is facing, an entrepreneurial leader (here's looking at you Gov Rauner) is needed to be proactive and pre emptive by offering to sell the state's river water to thirsty states before they start campaigning the federal government (again) into giving them access to Great Lakes water for free.

Revenue earned can be spent shoring up Pension Obligations and reducing or eliminating Regressive Taxation (State Sales Tax)

I'm sure you've done the engineering to make sure this is feasible.

Also, how are your talks with Canada going with respect to the allowable withdrawals from the Great Lake as allowed by the existing treaty?

(04-27-2015 09:25 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 01:14 AM)Policiious Wrote:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini...story.html

The pressure from states facing water shortages (up to 40 per the Trib) will make it increasingly challenging for states where water is (like Illinois) to hold onto all of it without some Governmental Agency or Congress acting on their behalf to take water out of the Great Lakes and not pay for it.

An Illinois State Water Survey conducted by the Prairie Research Institute claims that aquifers are producing approximately 7 Times the water Illinois residents and businesses use.

http://www.isws.illinois.edu/wsp/wsground.asp

With the financial situation the state is facing, an entrepreneurial leader (here's looking at you Gov Rauner) is needed to be proactive and pre emptive by offering to sell the state's river water to thirsty states before they start campaigning the federal government (again) into giving them access to Great Lakes water for free.

Revenue earned can be spent shoring up Pension Obligations and reducing or eliminating Regressive Taxation (State Sales Tax)

I'm sure you've done the engineering to make sure this is feasible.

Also, how are your talks with Canada going with respect to the allowable withdrawals from the Great Lake as allowed by the existing treaty?

#facts

(04-27-2015 09:25 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 01:14 AM)Policiious Wrote:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini...story.html

The pressure from states facing water shortages (up to 40 per the Trib) will make it increasingly challenging for states where water is (like Illinois) to hold onto all of it without some Governmental Agency or Congress acting on their behalf to take water out of the Great Lakes and not pay for it.

An Illinois State Water Survey conducted by the Prairie Research Institute claims that aquifers are producing approximately 7 Times the water Illinois residents and businesses use.

http://www.isws.illinois.edu/wsp/wsground.asp

With the financial situation the state is facing, an entrepreneurial leader (here's looking at you Gov Rauner) is needed to be proactive and pre emptive by offering to sell the state's river water to thirsty states before they start campaigning the federal government (again) into giving them access to Great Lakes water for free.

Revenue earned can be spent shoring up Pension Obligations and reducing or eliminating Regressive Taxation (State Sales Tax)

I'm sure you've done the engineering to make sure this is feasible.

Also, how are your talks with Canada going with respect to the allowable withdrawals from the Great Lake as allowed by the existing treaty?

1) Desalinization while feasible is extremely expensive, time consuming, requires significant energy to generate pressure necessary to shoot salt water at the required speed through a plastic membrane to desalinize it and the most recent plant being constructed for this purpose is costing San Diego County $1B and won't be completed till 2016. Desalinizing water also does affect the environment.

Water initially can be transported to Texas by barge until a pipeline is built. Regarding the Western States, if they want the fresh water they would be sold then they will have to overcome the challenges of building a water pipeline to Illinois. Our state would certainly not be funding any of the cost and would only be involved as far as linking the pipeline to an Illinois water source(i.e.Illinois or Rock River)

There is only so much land near the Pacific where California can build desalinzation plants which will have to clear all kinds of environmental hurdles. A water pipeline would certainly have a much lower environmental impact.

States not bordering an ocean(OK, Kan, NM, AZ, NV, UT) obviously do not have DeSalinization as an option, their only alternative is getting it from a region that has abundant supply.




2) My proposal does not take 1 drop of water from the Great Lakes, only from rivers that flow through Illinois to the Mississippi & Ohio; sorry if I did not make that clear. I only attached the Trib article discussing the coming lust for Great Lakes water from other states who have shortages. My proposal would be to pre empt any efforts by these states to take water out of the GL's that they wouldn't pay for and offer them Illinois river water that they would pay for.
Make sense.

(04-27-2015 08:05 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 01:14 AM)Policiious Wrote:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini...story.html

The pressure from states facing water shortages (up to 40 per the Trib) will make it increasingly challenging for states where water is (like Illinois) to hold onto all of it without some Governmental Agency or Congress acting on their behalf to take water out of the Great Lakes and not pay for it.

An Illinois State Water Survey conducted by the Prairie Research Institute claims that aquifers are producing approximately 7 Times the water Illinois residents and businesses use.

http://www.isws.illinois.edu/wsp/wsground.asp

With the financial situation the state is facing, an entrepreneurial leader (here's looking at you Gov Rauner) is needed to be proactive and pre emptive by offering to sell the state's river water to thirsty states before they start campaigning the federal government (again) into giving them access to Great Lakes water for free.

Revenue earned can be spent shoring up Pension Obligations and reducing or eliminating Regressive Taxation (State Sales Tax)

Wait a minute....let me get my camera here! A Democrat complaining about the federal government taking an asset from those who have and distributing it to those who don't?? This is way too good to be true - a real Kodak moment!

Having said this, I totally agree with you. It makes too much sense and is a great idea. Illinois needs the money. I heard that there are some Illinois politicians whose pockets are getting low and need filling. Poor guys! That's how bad it is here.

The Great Lakes are not only a tremendous asset, being that they are shared by both the United States and Canada; any attempt to remove water from them would have to be approved by the Canadians and I can't imagine there is any circumstance in which they would approve.

Texas doesn't give oil & gas away free. California doesn't provide free produce & veggies. Other states are thirsty and need water. Illinois has plenty of fresh water to provide at the Right Price. The Legislative branch is the Fed Gov't branch I am most concerned about as residents of the West, SW & Southern states will be whining to their congressmen about not having any water and the midwest having the Great Lakes. The Congressman representing many if not most of those states are predominantly Republican. Will be hilarious to see how these libertarian leaning, individualistic, stand on your own 2 feet types formulate a reason why their region deserve Federal Government handout. You can bet that if the water was in Texas or Arizona their response would be, "if they want it they can move here, otherwise screw'em.

It's simple commerce, they have a shortage of a product that is necessary to sustain life and Illinois apparently has an abundant surplus. Le'ts make a deal!
Imagine a state with no debt and earning enough income to eliminate Regressive Taxes like the State Sales Tax. Illinois would be Nevada with Water & Pro Sports teams. Once state debt is eliminated, the earned revenue can either be rebated back directly to tax payers or used to eliminate the State Sales Tax. Eliminating the State Sales Tax would be a huge job creator. especially commercial and retail businesses.

Dog Fan you are likely having a stroke now, yes a Democratic leaning individual who wants the government to sell a resource to raise revenue and Eliminate Taxes to grow jobs with the revenue realized.

(04-27-2015 01:42 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 08:05 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 01:14 AM)Policiious Wrote:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini...story.html

The pressure from states facing water shortages (up to 40 per the Trib) will make it increasingly challenging for states where water is (like Illinois) to hold onto all of it without some Governmental Agency or Congress acting on their behalf to take water out of the Great Lakes and not pay for it.

An Illinois State Water Survey conducted by the Prairie Research Institute claims that aquifers are producing approximately 7 Times the water Illinois residents and businesses use.

http://www.isws.illinois.edu/wsp/wsground.asp

With the financial situation the state is facing, an entrepreneurial leader (here's looking at you Gov Rauner) is needed to be proactive and pre emptive by offering to sell the state's river water to thirsty states before they start campaigning the federal government (again) into giving them access to Great Lakes water for free.

Revenue earned can be spent shoring up Pension Obligations and reducing or eliminating Regressive Taxation (State Sales Tax)

Wait a minute....let me get my camera here! A Democrat complaining about the federal government taking an asset from those who have and distributing it to those who don't?? This is way too good to be true - a real Kodak moment!

Having said this, I totally agree with you. It makes too much sense and is a great idea. Illinois needs the money. I heard that there are some Illinois politicians whose pockets are getting low and need filling. Poor guys! That's how bad it is here.

The Great Lakes are not only a tremendous asset, being that they are shared by both the United States and Canada; any attempt to remove water from them would have to be approved by the Canadians and I can't imagine there is any circumstance in which they would approve.

Texas doesn't give oil & gas away free. California doesn't provide free produce & veggies. Other states are thirsty and need water. Illinois has plenty of fresh water to provide at the Right Price. The Legislative branch is the Fed Gov't branch I am most concerned about as residents of the West, SW & Southern states will be whining to their congressmen about not having any water and the midwest having the Great Lakes. The Congressman representing many if not most of those states are predominantly Republican. Will be hilarious to see how these libertarian leaning, individualistic, stand on your own 2 feet types formulate a reason why their region deserve Federal Government handout. You can bet that if the water was in Texas or Arizona their response would be, "if they want it they can move here, otherwise screw'em.

It's simple commerce, they have a shortage of a product that is necessary to sustain life and Illinois apparently has an abundant surplus. Le'ts make a deal!
Imagine a state with no debt and earning enough income to eliminate Regressive Taxes like the State Sales Tax. Illinois would be Nevada with Water & Pro Sports teams. Once state debt is eliminated, the earned revenue can either be rebated back directly to tax payers or used to eliminate the State Sales Tax. Eliminating the State Sales Tax would be a huge job creator. especially commercial and retail businesses.

Dog Fan you are likely having a stroke now, yes a Democratic leaning individual who wants the government to sell a resource to raise revenue and Eliminate Taxes to grow jobs with the revenue realized.

Stroke?? My heart started double pumping, my prostate shrunk, and my Viagra pills were rendered worthless. And due to my new-found virility, I asked a young girl in the office to do a horizontal tango, and she said yes! This has been one hell of a day....thanks to you!

Shipping H2O.? Not including Lake Michigan who believes we have an over abundance of water? I have not heard of the great water harvest or those great IL water companies. Maybe they're out there, but never heard of any.

(04-27-2015 03:44 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Shipping H2O.? Not including Lake Michigan who believes we have an over abundance of water? I have not heard of the great water harvest or those great IL water companies. Maybe they're out there, but never heard of any.

http://www.isws.illinois.edu/wsp/wsground.asp

The Illinois State Water Survey states that aquifers providing Illinois water have a yield that is 7 times the amount currently being used by individuals and businesses combined. Many states would love to be in that circumstance. the rest of the country looks like this, anything that is brown or red is in drought

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/

Private companies should be contracted to build pipeline(s) but the water sales negotiation should take place between state governments

(04-27-2015 01:26 PM)Policiious Wrote:  1) Desalinization while feasible is extremely expensive, time consuming, requires significant energy to generate pressure necessary to shoot salt water at the required speed through a plastic membrane to desalinize it and the most recent plant being constructed for this purpose is costing San Diego County $1B and won't be completed till 2016. Desalinizing water also does affect the environment.

Define "extremely expensive" when compared to a several thousand mile water conduit, whether open channel or pumped, including right of way costs. You think anything like this could be built for less than many, many, many billions of dollars?

Policiious Wrote:Water initially can be transported to Texas by barge until a pipeline is built. Regarding the Western States, if they want the fresh water they would be sold then they will have to overcome the challenges of building a water pipeline to Illinois. Our state would certainly not be funding any of the cost and would only be involved as far as linking the pipeline to an Illinois water source(i.e.Illinois or Rock River)

You realize the amount of water you could carry in a barge is minuscule compared to the amounts they are down in the western states due to drought?

Once to Texas, where does the water go?

Anything can be built. Challenges would be the cost versus the return. You'd have to move huge amounts of water and that would take huge amounts of money to build such a system. You willing to use eminent domain to acquire the needed property for such a pipeline?

Policiious Wrote:There is only so much land near the Pacific where California can build desalinzation plants which will have to clear all kinds of environmental hurdles. A water pipeline would certainly have a much lower environmental impact.

Absolutely wrong. You've clearly never worked on a project involving environmental permitting agencies.

Policiious Wrote:2) My proposal does not take 1 drop of water from the Great Lakes, only from rivers that flow through Illinois to the Mississippi & Ohio; sorry if I did not make that clear. I only attached the Trib article discussing the coming lust for Great Lakes water from other states who have shortages. My proposal would be to pre empt any efforts by these states to take water out of the GL's that they wouldn't pay for and offer them Illinois river water that they would pay for.
Make sense.

Remember that the Mississippi has gotten so low some recent summers that it has restricted barge traffic, making moving grain, salt and other commodities difficult. You won't get much support to further remove water from that system. Plus, you need that very water to float your proposed water transport barges.

Water transported by barge to Texas would be for that state's use as they are entering their 5th straight year of drought and are starting to run out. Wichita Falls Tx is now "recycling" water. That's pretty desperate.

Texas is earning lots of $ from oil & gas, they can afford to pay for water they will need and whatever means will be needed to transport it to them

(04-28-2015 10:17 AM)Policiious Wrote:  Water transported by barge to Texas would be for that state's use as they are entering their 5th straight year of drought and are starting to run out. Wichita Falls Tx is now "recycling" water. That's pretty desperate.

Texas is earning lots of $ from oil & gas, they can afford to pay for water they will need and whatever means will be needed to transport it to them

Water recycling should be standard practice in areas with limited water availability. ...among other things. Regions who can't find a way to be self sustainable shouldn't exist.