How much of the money from the interview, magazine cover and TV show has been given to raise awareness as opposed to buying a new wardrobe?

My wife and I have some close friends whose son has fully transitioned to female (i.e., had all of the surgeries).

I found out from the mother that the number one cause of death amongst young transsexuals is suicide. The number two cause is murder.

I also found out that there is fairly strong evidence that there are differences in brain structure from those who are transsexual. Their brains are physically more like the sex that they feel they are.

It would appear that the majority of those suicides and murders come from a society that makes no effort whatsoever to understand people. I find it sad...

(08-17-2015 01:59 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  My wife and I have some close friends whose son has fully transitioned to female (i.e., had all of the surgeries).

I found out from the mother that the number one cause of death amongst young transsexuals is suicide. The number two cause is murder.

I also found out that there is fairly strong evidence that there are differences in brain structure from those who are transsexual. Their brains are physically more like the sex that they feel they are.

It would appear that the majority of those suicides and murders come from a society that makes no effort whatsoever to understand people. I find it sad...

Yes, and the evidence comes right there in your own post. I'm not bashing you by any means, but the fact that many actually still find it suprising that being transgender is NOT a choice is a travesty. It's not common by any means, but to simply disregard these people as "mentally ill" is absurd. I realize it seems that the media is constantly trying to push some agenda down our throats, but there has to be some point where we begin to educate ourselves on these issues. THAT'S why I have no problem with Catlyn Jenner winning the award. I couldn't care less what she's done since. She could be in ISIS for all I care. Point is, that award helped a population that is in dire need of attention. No demographic should have 41% of their population attempt suicide.

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I was actually on a business trip during the interview and made a point of getting back to the hotel to watch it just because I knew I was totally ignorant when it came to gender identity issues. I learned a lot.

I also learned a lot as an adjunct professor at Antioch College. One day I was talking to a class about a former student. I kept calling her "she" as I talked about how she was a perfect example of .... One of the students interrupted me and said, "Uh, professor, do you know that Sasha changed her pronoun". I had no idea what that meant.

Honestly, I'm a "To each his/her own" sort of feller'. I do hope that we can bring that suicide rate down. I read that transgender activists were talking to Caitlyn Jenner about how many homeless transgender people there were. Guess Caitlyn went into how programs to help them were handouts and they should work harder. Not sure someone who has been really well-off for decades is going to be the face of trans-gender folks.

(08-17-2015 02:22 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Yes, and the evidence comes right there in your own post. I'm not bashing you by any means, but the fact that many actually still find it suprising that being transgender is NOT a choice is a travesty. It's not common by any means, but to simply disregard these people as "mentally ill" is absurd. I realize it seems that the media is constantly trying to push some agenda down our throats, but there has to be some point where we begin to educate ourselves on these issues. THAT'S why I have no problem with Catlyn Jenner winning the award. I couldn't care less what she's done since. She could be in ISIS for all I care. Point is, that award helped a population that is in dire need of attention. No demographic should have 41% of their population attempt suicide.

I guess my problem with that, would be the cognitive dissonance required to say "Gender identity appears to correlate with neurological similarities to an opposing gender" and "to say these people are mentally ill, is absurd." If it's in the brain, it is mental. Mental disorders, defects and even mundane differences are at the very least, contributed to by our brains. To say otherwise, is to imply the mind is entirely transcendent, based on what we know about neuro-transimitters both chemical and electrical, that's not true. Mind you, I am not saying our mind and identity, is entirely material; but it is a crime against truth and our collective knowledge, to tell people we cannot consider a possibility because it may offend.

Either it is the case that these things have a direct and understandable cause, or it's not. We'll never know, so long as people stop inquiry in the name of feelings and sincerity. If it is the case, that these things have a cause, we may begin to treat the condition, which would also lower the suicide rate. That would require the world to acknowledge though, that not everything and everyone is okay.

(08-17-2015 03:36 PM)AeroCat Wrote:  I was actually on a business trip during the interview and made a point of getting back to the hotel to watch it just because I knew I was totally ignorant when it came to gender identity issues. I learned a lot.

I also learned a lot as an adjunct professor at Antioch College. One day I was talking to a class about a former student. I kept calling her "she" as I talked about how she was a perfect example of .... One of the students interrupted me and said, "Uh, professor, do you know that Sasha changed her pronoun". I had no idea what that meant.

Honestly, I'm a "To each his/her own" sort of feller'. I do hope that we can bring that suicide rate down. I read that transgender activists were talking to Caitlyn Jenner about how many homeless transgender people there were. Guess Caitlyn went into how programs to help them were handouts and they should work harder. Not sure someone who has been really well-off for decades is going to be the face of trans-gender folks.

I would add, even though I had no problem with whoever got the award, I would think the situation with the Sony emails would give anyone pause at how things actually are behind the scenes of the entertainment business.

But, if people actually consider it uplifting for any group (no matter the group), a tip of the cap, I guess.

(08-17-2015 03:50 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 02:22 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Yes, and the evidence comes right there in your own post. I'm not bashing you by any means, but the fact that many actually still find it suprising that being transgender is NOT a choice is a travesty. It's not common by any means, but to simply disregard these people as "mentally ill" is absurd. I realize it seems that the media is constantly trying to push some agenda down our throats, but there has to be some point where we begin to educate ourselves on these issues. THAT'S why I have no problem with Catlyn Jenner winning the award. I couldn't care less what she's done since. She could be in ISIS for all I care. Point is, that award helped a population that is in dire need of attention. No demographic should have 41% of their population attempt suicide.

I guess my problem with that, would be the cognitive dissonance required to say "Gender identity appears to correlate with neurological similarities to an opposing gender" and "to say these people are mentally ill, is absurd." If it's in the brain, it is mental. Mental disorders, defects and even mundane differences are at the very least, contributed to by our brains. To say otherwise, is to imply the mind is entirely transcendent, based on what we know about neuro-transimitters both chemical and electrical, that's not true. Mind you, I am not saying our mind and identity, is entirely material; but it is a crime against truth and our collective knowledge, to tell people we cannot consider a possibility because it may offend.

Either it is the case that these things have a direct and understandable cause, or it's not. We'll never know, so long as people stop inquiry in the name of feelings and sincerity. If it is the case, that these things have a cause, we may begin to treat the condition, which would also lower the suicide rate. That would require the world to acknowledge though, that not everything and everyone is okay.

I see what you're saying. I was referring more to to the negative stigma associated with the phrase "mental illness". For many, it seems like an easy way to disregard the transgender community because they are a sick people. Which I think is misguided. Being Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, is obviously a mutation of the natural biological progression of life. That being said, humans are a compassionate species, and we are more than capable of accommodating these kinds of differences. It's not like these people are psychopaths

I came across an article in the USA Today about Transgender people. If you take a moment to read through the comment section, it is almost appaling how aggressive people are to this community.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../31626633/

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(08-16-2015 09:20 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 02:37 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 08:35 AM)letharion Wrote:  Caitlyn's been widely celebrated for doing nothing but choosing to change her sex.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Jenner hasn't gone through gender reassignment surgery. So he's a man who likes to dress like a woman. I have no problem with Jenner doing whatever makes him happy and it's his right to change his name to whatever he wants but I'm not going to call him a she or her.

The proper word for him is transvestite, not transgender.

Not true. Transvestites are people who enjoy wearing clothes of the opposite sex, but do not identify and live as the opposite sex.

(08-19-2015 05:39 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

"All my life I've been an obese man trapped inside a fat man's body!"

Investigators to recommend Caitlyn Jenner face manslaughter charge
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Associated Press

LOS ANGELES -- Sheriff's investigators plan to recommend prosecutors file a vehicular manslaughter charge against Caitlyn Jenner for her role in a fatal car crash on the Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu in February.

Investigators found that Jenner was driving "unsafe for the prevailing road conditions'' because her SUV rear-ended a Lexus, pushing it into oncoming traffic, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Nicole Nishida said.

The fatal crash occurred months before Caitlyn Jenner's transition. She was formerly known as Bruce Jenner, the 1976 Olympic decathlon champion and Kim Kardashian's stepfather.

Jenner was hauling an off-road vehicle on a trailer behind her Cadillac Escalade on Feb. 7 when she steered to avoid cars slowing for a traffic light in front of her on Pacific Coast Highway.

Jenner's SUV rear-ended two cars, pushing a Lexus into oncoming traffic.

The Lexus driver, 69-year-old Kim Howe, was killed when her car was struck head-on by a Hummer.

The case will be presented to prosecutors for final review next week, Nishida said. The district attorney's office will determine what charges Jenner ultimately faces.

If convicted of such a charge, Jenner could face up to one year in county jail.

Jenner's attorney Blair Berk to declined comment.

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Caitlyn Jenner could face manslaughter in crash, police say

AP | By TAMI ABDOLLAH

Published August 20, 2015 06:01PM EDT

The Associated Press


LOS ANGELES (AP) — Caitlyn Jenner could face a vehicular manslaughter charge after sheriff's investigators found she was driving unsafely when she caused a chain-reaction crash that killed a woman last February, officials said Thursday.

Investigators found that Jenner was driving "unsafe for the prevailing road conditions" when her SUV rear-ended a Lexus, Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Nicole Nishida said.

Jenner was hauling an off-road vehicle on a trailer behind her Cadillac Escalade on Feb. 7 when she steered to avoid cars slowing for a traffic light in front of her on the Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu.

Jenner was unable to stop in time and her SUV rear-ended two cars, pushing the Lexus into oncoming traffic and also hitting a Toyota Prius. The Lexus driver, 69-year-old Kim Howe, was killed when her car was struck head-on by a Hummer.

The case will be presented to prosecutors for final review next week, Nishida said. The district attorney's office will determine what charges Jenner ultimately faces.

If convicted of such a charge, Jenner could face up to one year in county jail. Jenner's attorney Blair Berk declined comment.

Because Jenner has no prior record, it's unlikely she would face any jail time if prosecutors charge her with vehicular manslaughter and she's convicted, said Daniel W. Vomhof, an accident reconstructionist who's testified in 3,500 cases.

He said Jenner would more likely face a fine or probation — or even an ultimately lesser charge such as driving too fast for conditions.

Vomhof said Jenner's experience towing a loaded trailer may come into play because the additional weight makes it more difficult to stop a vehicle quickly and can surprise people. Also key to what's ultimately charged, he said, will be how detailed the police investigation was in recording speeds and distances at the accident scene.

The fatal crash occurred months before Caitlyn Jenner's transition. She was formerly known as Bruce Jenner, the 1976 Olympic decathlon champion and Kim Kardashian's stepfather.

Howe's stepchildren have filed suit against Jenner claiming they've suffered enormous damages.

The lawsuit by Dana Redmond and William Howe does not specify how much they are seeking. They claim Jenner was negligent when she collided with their stepmother's car, causing them and other relatives "great losses."

Attorneys for Howe's step-children, Dana Redmond and William Howe, did not immediately return email messages seeking comment.

Another woman, Jessica Steindorff, who was driving the Prius, also filed suit seeking unspecified damages. A phone message for Steindorff's attorney, Brad Simon, was not immediately returned on Thursday.

Jenner's transition has played out in public over the past several months. She's vowed to use her to celebrity platform to urge acceptance for others who are transgender.

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AP Writer Anthony McCartney contributed to this report. Follow Tami Abdollah on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/latams .

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