I don't see the mad dash to 16 and the elimination of the B12 or any other major conference on the horizon. With this deregulation on the horizon, what exactly would be the point of going to 16, only to change the rules again to enable a four team playoff for individual conferences. The SEC went to 12 back in 1990 and didn't expand until 20 years later. Realignment does seem to correlate with new TV deals and bowl bid realignments, but GOR's will slow em down; it won't surprise me in the slightest as these GOR's draw nearer to an end, around 2023-25, that a fresh round of GORs will begin. The lynchpin to any realignment these next five years will because of private schools deemphasizing football due to whatever decision the NCAA and its members schools makes regarding the paying of it's athletes.

(04-25-2015 03:54 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I don't see the mad dash to 16 and the elimination of the B12 or any other major conference on the horizon. With this deregulation on the horizon, what exactly would be the point of going to 16, only to change the rules again to enable a four team playoff for individual conferences. The SEC went to 12 back in 1990 and didn't expand until 20 years later. Realignment does seem to correlate with new TV deals and bowl bid realignments, but GOR's will slow em down; it won't surprise me in the slightest as these GOR's draw nearer to an end, around 2023-25, that a fresh round of GORs will begin. The lynchpin to any realignment these next five years will because of private schools deemphasizing football due to whatever decision the NCAA and its members schools makes regarding the paying of it's athletes.

I don't see any interest in 4 team conference playoffs.
With 4 team divisions, you will get a lot of bad matchups and occasional losing teams. You already have some ccgs that hardly generate any interest. In the ACC its been common. Its happened in the Pac 12 and Big 10 with their short ccg history. So if its bad matchups, you don't get many $. And the presidents really don't want to lengthen the season for the athletes, particularly in this legal environment. It would take a lot of money. Now I think an 8 team playoff generates that, but not a 4 team conference playoff.

(04-25-2015 03:54 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I don't see the mad dash to 16 and the elimination of the B12 or any other major conference on the horizon. With this deregulation on the horizon, what exactly would be the point of going to 16, only to change the rules again to enable a four team playoff for individual conferences. The SEC went to 12 back in 1990 and didn't expand until 20 years later. Realignment does seem to correlate with new TV deals and bowl bid realignments, but GOR's will slow em down; it won't surprise me in the slightest as these GOR's draw nearer to an end, around 2023-25, that a fresh round of GORs will begin. The lynchpin to any realignment these next five years will because of private schools deemphasizing football due to whatever decision the NCAA and its members schools makes regarding the paying of it's athletes.

What's the point of 16? It isn't JUST about the tournaments. It is about playing the other three teams in your division at the end of the year as the lead up to seeing who is going to take part in that tournament. It is about smaller divisions with Real Rivalries, no more of this bull**** ticket sale gimmick rivalry crap of the past.

Tennessee and Alabama?

Ohio State and Illinois?

There are more I'm sure. I really only needed to list the Alabama and Tennessee rivalry to prove the point but then certain SEC folks would think I was attacking the conference.

Fair and Balanced.

(04-25-2015 08:12 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 03:54 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I don't see the mad dash to 16 and the elimination of the B12 or any other major conference on the horizon. With this deregulation on the horizon, what exactly would be the point of going to 16, only to change the rules again to enable a four team playoff for individual conferences. The SEC went to 12 back in 1990 and didn't expand until 20 years later. Realignment does seem to correlate with new TV deals and bowl bid realignments, but GOR's will slow em down; it won't surprise me in the slightest as these GOR's draw nearer to an end, around 2023-25, that a fresh round of GORs will begin. The lynchpin to any realignment these next five years will because of private schools deemphasizing football due to whatever decision the NCAA and its members schools makes regarding the paying of it's athletes.

I don't see any interest in 4 team conference playoffs.
With 4 team divisions, you will get a lot of bad matchups and occasional losing teams. You already have some ccgs that hardly generate any interest. In the ACC its been common. Its happened in the Pac 12 and Big 10 with their short ccg history. So if its bad matchups, you don't get many $. And the presidents really don't want to lengthen the season for the athletes, particularly in this legal environment. It would take a lot of money. Now I think an 8 team playoff generates that, but not a 4 team conference playoff.

You don't see any interest? You are delusional. Will bad match ups happen from time to time? Yes. Will that cause the payout to go down? No. Why? Because there will be plenty of match ups and advertisers will pay big bucks to be on these games. Why? Because there will be less games to advertise on during the playoff weeks, they will be a much better quality overall than the previous regular season weeks. The competition to advertise on them will drive the price way up.

I am sorry but your big 12 apologist creative writing about conference tournaments is just false.

I don't see the b12 going away. I do see conf affiliation dictated by the value of the property to tv. The networks will stake out their claims, lose those that don't bring value, and basically plant their flags. I think the b1g is a wildcard and I think tx stays in the b12 and the lhn becomes the b12 network in the 2020s. They then expand to help out with their footprint. The acc creates it's own network as well in the interim.

Coastal Carolina to the SEC.

(04-24-2015 04:15 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  I see it being a lot of total moves but all small moves mostly that by the,selves don't move planets.

1) UConn gains AAU in 2015.

2) Mizzou & UConn to the B1G in 2015/16.

3) ECU rebrands itself "Carolina University" and starts a new research project to boost its resume. By end of school year 15-16. It really pisses off UNC and USCe that all those purple shirts are walking around yelling "Carolina U" now.

4) The Big East adds STL, Dayton, Drake, Davidson, GMU & STB. 2016

5) The B1G & BE expand the Gavit games to all teams and it looks like this as a yearly scheduling. Becomes a main stay of all schools schedules and a boom for fox.
Perm:
Drake-Iowa
SHU-Rutgers
Creighton-Neb
Providence-UConn
STL-Mizzou
DePaul-Northwestern
Marquette-Wiscy
GTown-Maryland
Nova-PSU

Mix: odd men out matchup. So which every state school is left out crosses border shuffle wise yearly.
Butler- Indiana, Purdue
Dayton & Xavier- tOSU

Yearly Rotating:
SJU, STB, GMU, Davidson
Michigan, MSU, Minn, Illinois

6) 2016 The ACC announces ND as a full member and adds Cincy. They also role out the ACCN now with 16 full members and get a slight bump in money. If the network gets carried then the numbers will increase in time...

7) Temple and UMass join the MAC for all sports in 2016. The a10 is dead bball wise. They bring ODU and JMU to the MAC with them all sports wise. Then Army and Navy join for football. The MAC then adds VCU and URI for basketball. It's angling to be competitive just under the power 4/5 and the Big East.

8) Fordham, STJ and Duq join the MAAC.

9) The SEC adds WVU. Now we will all get to see how a GOR both Fox and ESPN have a piece of gets handled.

10) Houston or Memphis are the filler #10 for the b12 to continue its payout at a minimum number of teams. It doesn't matter though, Texas and Ok have had enough. Time to go fishing.

Things go quiet until early 2020s when contracts are up and it's time to kil the B12, get the PAC and SEC at atleast 16 and also expand the MWC. CUSA and the American basically become the same thing and merge.

Basically, this is an A-10 is going to collapse fantasy on your part.

St Louis - wants in the nBE. Might actually get in the nBE. Either paired with Wichita State or Dayton.
Dayton - wants in the nBE. Might actually get in the nBE. I think Xavier might be blokkin' here.
St Bonaventure - zero chance of getting in the nBE. Small school, rural footprint, not much success at basketball either.
GMU - zero chance of getting in the nBE. Georgetown wont even play GMU (or GWU)...so its pretty likely that Georgetown will try to block. The nBE has a team already in that region. GMU is also a public school.

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Here are the 'upgrade' prospects for each A-10 school

VCU - perhaps the nBE (if they want a public school) or the AAC (if they want a basketball only). Unlikely
UR - very unlikely as any conference would likely take VCU first. Its possible that the nBE would want the Richmond market and would like to stay all private
GMU - no chance. GWU would probably be taken first and the nBE already has a DC team.
GWU - very unlikely, unless the AAC somehow wants basketball onlies and really wants to be in DC.
La Salle - no chance
St Josephs - no chance
Fordham - no chance
Duquesne - no chance
URI - very unlikely (would require UConn moving out of the AAC and then deciding that they needed a New England team)
UMass - the MAC isn't an upgrade (and UMass has already left), perhaps the AAC (but UMass football needs to get better), perhaps the nBE (if they want a basketball only). The problem with UMass is that they only have 1 NCAA appearance since 1998 (a round of 64 crashout last year). Their basketball hasn't really been that great recently. And their football is a problem. I see them staying.
Davidson - I don't see either the nBE or the AAC needing them. They're really small. I'd say very unlikely.
Dayton - The nBE should be interested. They aren't, which leads me to think that there's some blocking going on. If that's the case, they're likely stuck in the A-10. And so long as Cinci is in the AAC, its unlikely that they'd even look at Dayton as a basketball only.
St Louis - most likely to leave. I don't know why the nBE didn't give them a bid, but they didn't.

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Either way, the A-10 looks relatively secure so long as the AAC doesn't decide to admit basketball onlies, and the nBE seems happy with its current membership. Even if those events happened, I still think the A-10 would be fine.

(04-25-2015 10:26 AM)FUB Wrote:  Coastal Carolina to the SEC.

No way...I heard ODU

(04-25-2015 10:48 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 10:26 AM)FUB Wrote:  Coastal Carolina to the SEC.

No way...I heard ODU

JMU

(04-24-2015 04:15 PM)BE4neva Wrote:  I see it being a lot of total moves but all small moves mostly that by the,selves don't move planets.

1) UConn gains AAU in 2015.

2) Mizzou & UConn to the B1G in 2015/16.

3) ECU rebrands itself "Carolina University" and starts a new research project to boost its resume. By end of school year 15-16. It really pisses off UNC and USCe that all those purple shirts are walking around yelling "Carolina U" now.

4) The Big East adds STL, Dayton, Drake, Davidson, GMU & STB. 2016

5) The B1G & BE expand the Gavit games to all teams and it looks like this as a yearly scheduling. Becomes a main stay of all schools schedules and a boom for fox.
Perm:
Drake-Iowa
SHU-Rutgers
Creighton-Neb
Providence-UConn
STL-Mizzou
DePaul-Northwestern
Marquette-Wiscy
GTown-Maryland
Nova-PSU

Mix: odd men out matchup. So which every state school is left out crosses border shuffle wise yearly.
Butler- Indiana, Purdue
Dayton & Xavier- tOSU

Yearly Rotating:
SJU, STB, GMU, Davidson
Michigan, MSU, Minn, Illinois

6) 2016 The ACC announces ND as a full member and adds Cincy. They also role out the ACCN now with 16 full members and get a slight bump in money. If the network gets carried then the numbers will increase in time...

7) Temple and UMass join the MAC for all sports in 2016. The a10 is dead bball wise. They bring ODU and JMU to the MAC with them all sports wise. Then Army and Navy join for football. The MAC then adds VCU and URI for basketball. It's angling to be competitive just under the power 4/5 and the Big East.

8) Fordham, STJ and Duq join the MAAC.

9) The SEC adds WVU. Now we will all get to see how a GOR both Fox and ESPN have a piece of gets handled.

10) Houston or Memphis are the filler #10 for the b12 to continue its payout at a minimum number of teams. It doesn't matter though, Texas and Ok have had enough. Time to go fishing.

Things go quiet until early 2020s when contracts are up and it's time to kil the B12, get the PAC and SEC at atleast 16 and also expand the MWC. CUSA and the American basically become the same thing and merge.

That does need to happen!

(04-25-2015 03:54 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I don't see the mad dash to 16 and the elimination of the B12 or any other major conference on the horizon. With this deregulation on the horizon, what exactly would be the point of going to 16, only to change the rules again to enable a four team playoff for individual conferences. The SEC went to 12 back in 1990 and didn't expand until 20 years later. Realignment does seem to correlate with new TV deals and bowl bid realignments, but GOR's will slow em down; it won't surprise me in the slightest as these GOR's draw nearer to an end, around 2023-25, that a fresh round of GORs will begin. The lynchpin to any realignment these next five years will because of private schools deemphasizing football due to whatever decision the NCAA and its members schools makes regarding the paying of it's athletes.

....which means you can't see the "cash" in 16.... H1 and JRsec have been preaching this concept, yet I don't understand why so many fans can't comprehend it. Do you realize how much money the B10 and SEC could make from having two semifinal games each? They could either air the games (which are played on the highest seeded teams home field) on their own networks or allow the networks to pay $$$ for the most attractive games. College football would drastically change as we know it. Imagine the SEC placing Auburn and Bama in separate divisions or the B10 placing Michigan and M St in separate divisions to give fans in those states the possibility of having one or both schools in their state play in a semifinal game. They can always schedule to play each other annually.

(04-25-2015 03:01 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 03:54 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I don't see the mad dash to 16 and the elimination of the B12 or any other major conference on the horizon. With this deregulation on the horizon, what exactly would be the point of going to 16, only to change the rules again to enable a four team playoff for individual conferences. The SEC went to 12 back in 1990 and didn't expand until 20 years later. Realignment does seem to correlate with new TV deals and bowl bid realignments, but GOR's will slow em down; it won't surprise me in the slightest as these GOR's draw nearer to an end, around 2023-25, that a fresh round of GORs will begin. The lynchpin to any realignment these next five years will because of private schools deemphasizing football due to whatever decision the NCAA and its members schools makes regarding the paying of it's athletes.

....which means you can't see the "cash" in 16.... H1 and JRsec have been preaching this concept, yet I don't understand why so many fans can't comprehend it. Do you realize how much money the B10 and SEC could make from having two semifinal games each? They could either air the games (which are played on the highest seeded teams home field) on their own networks or allow the networks to pay $$$ for the most attractive games. College football would drastically change as we know it. Imagine the SEC placing Auburn and Bama in separate divisions or the B10 placing Michigan and M St in separate divisions to give fans in those states the possibility of having one or both schools in their state play in a semifinal game. They can always schedule to play each other annually.

The part that average folks have a hard time comprehending, which doesn't seem to be a problem with you, is that the likes of Michigan and Ohio State would be able to separate into different divisions. The conference can still insure that the two major flagships of the conference play each other every year out of division. They control the scheduling so its possible. When we move to tournaments though, the Big Ten is absolutely going to want to make sure that it is possible to have both Michigan and Ohio State in it. That means putting them in separate divisions.

The same is the case with Alabama and Auburn. Auburn is one of those programs that has on and off years. The same is the case for Georgia, the same is the case for Florida and the same is the case for South Carolina. That is why Auburn fits in well with those three. Alabama is tough every year for the most part so they can carry a division of their own. You fit in an Ole Miss and a Miss State with them and they will be challenged enough.

At least one person understands just how perfect this set up is. I come up with a lot of things for people to comprehend and most of it I say is conditional upon certain other events happening first. The conference tournaments though? They are the event that has to be hammered out before other events can follow, such as the National Tournament expansion. Before conference tournaments, we need new divisional rules which everyone can see is clearly going on right now.

The smoke screen is that the talks are leading up to conferences with no divisions. The conferences will be able to do that but the money will be there for clear to understand divisions BECAUSE Networks are pushing college football towards general sports fans NOT traditional college football fans.

Some schools adding football down the road, and they get jumped into the FBS on a fast track like Charlotte did.

North Florida adds football and joins the Sun Belt Conference.
Wisconsin-Milwaukee adds football and joins MAC.
Wichita State adds football and joins MWC with BYU to make a strong football and basketball conference.
Long Beach State adds football and joins MWC.
VCU adds football and joins AAC

Others likely get first dibs if they add football.
Fullerton State
Northridge State
Florida Gulf Coast
Hofstra
Boston U.

(04-24-2015 06:21 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 05:38 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn renames itself "The University of New England", claims a TV market of 14 million people, and is immediately offered Big 10 membership.

NY annexes CT and immediately renames UConn to SUNY-Storrs

Campus is overrun by kids from Long Island and Westchester...new bridge built over LI Sound.

SUNY-Storrs hires Dr. Gross creates new original motto:

SUNY-Storrs joins the SUNYAC

"SUNY-Storrs NY's College Team" and plasters it on cabs in Bridgeport and New London and gets a billboard at the new AAA Baseball team in Hartford.

I'm moving defenses into place. We'll establish a Maginot Line starting in Greenwich and going north to the Massachusetts state line. This could be like the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, with UConn in the role of Israel.

(04-26-2015 01:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 06:21 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 05:38 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn renames itself "The University of New England", claims a TV market of 14 million people, and is immediately offered Big 10 membership.

NY annexes CT and immediately renames UConn to SUNY-Storrs

Campus is overrun by kids from Long Island and Westchester...new bridge built over LI Sound.

SUNY-Storrs hires Dr. Gross creates new original motto:

SUNY-Storrs joins the SUNYAC

"SUNY-Storrs NY's College Team" and plasters it on cabs in Bridgeport and New London and gets a billboard at the new AAA Baseball team in Hartford.

I'm moving defenses into place. We'll establish a Maginot Line starting in Greenwich and going north to the Massachusetts state line. This could be like the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, with UConn in the role of Israel.

You realize the Mighty 10th MTN is deep inside Syracuse territory?

It is all good...you guys will land somewhere better within a few years.

The Mountain cannot get involved in your petty squabble.

Nothing must distract us from our vital mission to Deter The Canadian Menace

(04-26-2015 04:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The Mountain cannot get involved in your petty squabble.

Nothing must distract us from our vital mission to Deter The Canadian Menace

You must of missed the latest CONOP

https://instagram.com/p/13sJQbt7xD/



Some say it is a friendly combine tomorrow...others say it is a rock drill makes u go hmmm...the evil Huskies are scared and sledding back to eastern CT.