(06-12-2015 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  drop the series

Would be great if that was an option. Unfortunately we are locked in for at least another 5 years.

(06-12-2015 07:25 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  drop the series

Would be great if that was an option. Unfortunately we are locked in for at least another 5 years.

I prefer 3 games at UC 1 at Oxford. Same way with Any of the MAC schools.

Drop the game or 3 for 1 or all at Nippert.

There is no upside to this game.

1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

(06-12-2015 10:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

Fairly or unfairly your position is little league. I'd love to see UC positioned to step up if the opportunity presents itself. Scheduling home and home series with MAC schools will adversely effect the chances of that happening. You are who you willingly associate with.

(06-13-2015 12:15 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

Fairly or unfairly your position is little league. I'd love to see UC positioned to step up if the opportunity presents itself. Scheduling home and home series with MAC schools will adversely effect the chances of that happening. You are who you willingly associate with.

This

I've said it before...I'm embarrassed that our rival is Miami OH. If we want to be viewed as big time, part of that is having big time rival. UofL was perfect for us and I was not embarrassed to tell people our rival was UofL in football.

Heck, XU has enough national recognition I'm not embarrassed to tell people of the bitter rivalry with UC and XU. The brawl cemented that in the minds of those outside of Ohio. People know XU. They know UofL. They do not know or respect Miami OH.

Drop the series as soon as we can.

(06-13-2015 08:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 12:15 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

Fairly or unfairly your position is little league. I'd love to see UC positioned to step up if the opportunity presents itself. Scheduling home and home series with MAC schools will adversely effect the chances of that happening. You are who you willingly associate with.

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I've said it before...I'm embarrassed that our rival is Miami OH. If we want to be viewed as big time, part of that is having [b]big time rival[/b]. UofL was perfect for us and I was not embarrassed to tell people our rival was UofL in football.

Heck, XU has enough national recognition I'm not embarrassed to tell people of the bitter rivalry with UC and XU. The brawl cemented that in the minds of those outside of Ohio. People know XU. They know UofL. They do not know or respect Miami OH.

Drop the series as soon as we can.

Why are you concerned about what other people think? Are these people on message boards?, your co workers, drinking pals? Because you play someone every year that does not make them a rival. There is a victory bell associated with the game but that does not mean Miami is a rival. If you drop Miami who would you get to replace them as a big time rival?

(06-12-2015 10:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

Unfortunately college football money has made the Miami game irrelivent. it makes no sense to play a game that dose not generate money or interest. Right now UC needs money to compete with P5 schools. Giving away a potential home date will not work for UC financial benefit. This issue was not created by UC but they must respond to the reality of the present. So in my mind Miami plays at UC for a guaranteed money or find a school that will.

(06-13-2015 12:15 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

Fairly or unfairly your position is little league. I'd love to see UC positioned to step up if the opportunity presents itself. Scheduling home and home series with MAC schools will adversely effect the chances of that happening. You are who you willingly associate with.

Listen to the Louisville fan, all suddenly high and mighty. Wow. ONE. Friggin'. Season. ONE season in the ACC and suddenly you feel worthy to come in and start lecturing us on being "little league" and what does-and-does not "hurt" our chances. You do realize that up until June 2014 Louisville was in the same conference with us, right?

Oh, and while we're at it, lets also remember that Louisville was the one who spurned scheduling a series with UC. The Miami series is, at this point, ALL ABOUT the fact that UC has no other organic rivalries. This one is the only rivalry game we've got left.

Oh, and "who you associate with" is probably the LEAST factor influencing UC's future. One series with a MAC team doesn't help nor hurt UC's chances for the future. ESPECIALLY if we lose the FCS game and make the Miami game our opener. Louisville still has a series with Western Kentucky, don't they? The fact that Louisville massively upgraded their facilities and had a "Power 5" athletic budget, not to mention a BCS win and a MBB championship, and a College World Series appearance, and a substantial fan-base...and a little luck to boot...did more for UL's inclusion than who they scheduled. Hell, it didn't even hurt that your Orange Bowl win was against hapless Wake Forrest...

I understand the want and need for a more "big time" rival, but I think Miami is a good rival to keep. If we wanted to do anything with the game, move it to the first game of the season! That would be the best way to open up a season.

But seriously, this game sells out every year we play it at nippert - so there must be some reason that the fans support it...(hint - it's because they are a big rival for us).

SO keep the game! And keep winning against Red (skins)Hawks!

(06-13-2015 08:39 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 12:15 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

Fairly or unfairly your position is little league. I'd love to see UC positioned to step up if the opportunity presents itself. Scheduling home and home series with MAC schools will adversely effect the chances of that happening. You are who you willingly associate with.

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I've said it before...I'm embarrassed that our rival is Miami OH. If we want to be viewed as big time, part of that is having [b]big time rival[/b]. UofL was perfect for us and I was not embarrassed to tell people our rival was UofL in football.

Heck, XU has enough national recognition I'm not embarrassed to tell people of the bitter rivalry with UC and XU. The brawl cemented that in the minds of those outside of Ohio. People know XU. They know UofL. They do not know or respect Miami OH.

Drop the series as soon as we can.

Why are you concerned about what other people think? Are these people on message boards?, your co workers, drinking pals? Because you play someone every year that does not make them a rival. There is a victory bell associated with the game but that does not mean Miami is a rival. If you drop Miami who would you get to replace them as a big time rival?

First, I do care what other people think...90% of all people will admit as much and the remaining 10% are liars. But lets not worry about this red herring and get to the point:

As of today, it is considered a rival. Play the game on NCAA14....it's a rivalry game. If the game is on TV the announcers are 100% going to talk about it as a rivalry game, show the winner ringing the bell after the game, etc etc etc. You can't just simply play Miami OH annually and refuse to call it a rivalry game lol are you nuts?! You can't separate the light from a light bulb.

And you bring up my point...we don't need to play them every year. You want to play a MAC team annually? Fine, play different in state MAC teams, Toledo one year, then BGSU, then Akron, etc. But as of right now, we play Miami OH ANNUALLY and its a RIVALRY game. herein lies the problem....UC wants to be seen as big time, you can't have you biggest/only rival be a crappy MAC program then. Drop the series.


PS: I've seen you defend UC plenty of times in the main board....point is, you care what other people think too.

(06-13-2015 08:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 12:15 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

Fairly or unfairly your position is little league. I'd love to see UC positioned to step up if the opportunity presents itself. Scheduling home and home series with MAC schools will adversely effect the chances of that happening. You are who you willingly associate with.

This

I've said it before...I'm embarrassed that our rival is Miami OH. If we want to be viewed as big time, part of that is having big time rival. UofL was perfect for us and I was not embarrassed to tell people our rival was UofL in football.

Heck, XU has enough national recognition I'm not embarrassed to tell people of the bitter rivalry with UC and XU. The brawl cemented that in the minds of those outside of Ohio. People know XU. They know UofL. They do not know or respect Miami OH.

Drop the series as soon as we can.

You do realize that it was Louisville that screwed over UC, right? That it was the Louisville admin and fans who now view UC as "embarrassing" to play (hell, all the arguments UC fans use against MoO are the SAME arguments Louisville fans use against a UC series...)? They scheduled a series WITH HOUSTON instead of with us...

Not that any of that helps the MoO U discussion, but jeez... Don't start kissing the Louisville a**.

(06-13-2015 09:19 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 08:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-13-2015 12:15 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

Fairly or unfairly your position is little league. I'd love to see UC positioned to step up if the opportunity presents itself. Scheduling home and home series with MAC schools will adversely effect the chances of that happening. You are who you willingly associate with.

This

I've said it before...I'm embarrassed that our rival is Miami OH. If we want to be viewed as big time, part of that is having big time rival. UofL was perfect for us and I was not embarrassed to tell people our rival was UofL in football.

Heck, XU has enough national recognition I'm not embarrassed to tell people of the bitter rivalry with UC and XU. The brawl cemented that in the minds of those outside of Ohio. People know XU. They know UofL. They do not know or respect Miami OH.

Drop the series as soon as we can.

You do realize that it was Louisville that screwed over UC, right? That it was the Louisville admin and fans who now view UC as "embarrassing" to play (hell, all the arguments UC fans use against MoO are the SAME arguments Louisville fans use against a UC series...)? They scheduled a series WITH HOUSTON instead of with us...

Not that any of that helps the MoO U discussion, but jeez... Don't start kissing the Louisville a**.

yup...they are smart. They didn't want a big rival to be a G5 conference team. I don't blame them. When I speak of UofL being a rival I want, it is predicated on us getting back the big boy table, otherwise UofL will say no. They understand the law of associations. UC needs to learn that same lesson. As soon as this dumb contract with MiamiOH is done, we need to drop the series.

The MAC's TV deal doesn't help anyone when the game is in Oxford; however, I do not support dropping the series. Miami continues to be one of UC's best attended home games every other season. Could they change the series from a 1 and 1 to something that provides advantages to both parties, maybe? In the overall context of the schedule, Miami fits perfectly. I don't think UC is going to find a replacement game that would draw 35,000 to 40,000 to Nippert every other season and a road game within driving distance the other year. I have a bigger issue with FCS games, but it looks like the current coaching enjoys having a tune up game.

Look at how many people co me to the FCS games already. Any opponent will draw good numbers to Nippert early in the season when the weather is nice. It is those late February games when it is 30 degrees outside that you need a good opponent to bring in the fans.

I loathe our FCS games.

(06-13-2015 10:24 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Look at how many people co me to the FCS games already. Any opponent will draw good numbers to Nippert early in the season when the weather is nice. It is those late February games when it is 30 degrees outside that you need a good opponent to bring in the fans.

"Late November"?

And that is "Conference" time and beyond our ability to control at this point. (Unless you're suggesting moving MoO to the post-Thanksgiving slot and I would wretch at that...)

The reality is that you are incorrect, FWIW... UC traditionally has struggled with attendance at that first game (Labor Day) except when we were playing TCU in CUSA as our opener. Part of it used to be that, because UC was on the Quarter system, classes were not yet begun and so the students weren't around for that first game yet. (Solved, FWIW.) But when you're playing an FCS team like Missouri State/Delaware State/Alabama A&T you can't get much thrill from the opponent. This year, at least you have the Nippert re-opening, but without that I think we'd be looking at 1/2-to-2/3 capacity attendance for Alabama A&T. When we were in the BE, I used to think we could help things by at least scheduling in Villanova every-other-year but now that we are not in the conference...

It's a dilemma... The FCS game gives a guaranteed home game and by scheduling light-weights it's pretty much a guaranteed win. It also gives us a "warm-up"/tune-up game. If you schedule in a good FCS game, then you risk the dreaded FCS upset, but you could possibly get a better "name" (like Villanova, Delaware, James Madison, etc...) If you were to drop the FCS altogether, you could start the season with a "rival" like MoO, Toledo, or Ohio but you'd almost certainly have to give a game (2-1 at the best) but you'd be guaranteeing good attendance (sell-out) and at-least a loss every-now-and-then. (You'd also be forcing your team to grow up quickly...) Or you could go with the "Conference Opener" on the first game (we have done this with TCU and Rutgers) which up's the ante even more...

We'll see what happens. I dunno...

(06-12-2015 10:41 PM)The T-Shirt Wrote:  1 and 1. The last bastion of true college football. No superiority complexes, no egos, no "what makes us the most money", no hypocrisy, just two of the oldest rivals in football strappin on helmets and playing the damn sport. Period.

Its only forty fiveish minutes away anyway which essentially gives us a seventh home game to boot.

That's some living in fantasy land drivel right there. No hypocrisy? In today's world of college football? This game does nothing for us and either loses us a home game or gives us one less OOC game to schedule where maybe it is actually on television giving us much needed exposure. A lot of rivalries have been destroyed by the new world of college football that were bigger than this one. That's reality.

If a tree fell in the woods and it is not shown on television, is it still considered a rivalry game? :)

Fact is this series is so lame it cannot even get shown on TV. We cannot even get Fox Sports to broadcast the game. Cbs Sports has picked up some MAC games this year and they passed.

In this day and age taking the high road gets you nowhere. In fact it can hurt you.

(06-13-2015 11:23 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  If a tree fell in the woods and it is not shown on television, is it still considered a rivalry game? :)

Fact is this series is so lame it cannot even get shown on TV. We cannot even get Fox Sports to broadcast the game. Cbs Sports has picked up some MAC games this year and they passed.

In this day and age taking the high road gets you nowhere. In fact it can hurt you.

The reason the game isn't on national TV this year is because the MAC's TV deal stinks, ESPN3 unless its a weeknight. Trust me, UC and Miami fans would complain like crazy if that game was on a Wednesday night this season. Last year the game was on CBSSN because it was a UC home game.

From a fan perspective the American's TV deal is right up there with the ACC and SEC in terms of access to your teams home games. A UC non-conference home game against an FBS opponent is going to be on national TV. Every conference game will be on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNews, or CBSSN. Big XII fans have to deal with the Longhorn Network, FS1, FS2, FSN regional networks. PAC-12 fans have the PAC-12 Network and the list of Fox networks. Big Ten fans the have the dreaded Big Ten Network. Even the ACC has games on regional sports networks that could be hit or miss depending on where you live. At least the SEC Network is ESPN controlled which makes it an easy to the game on your TV or computer.