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(04-22-2015 11:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Wow.

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/arc...ial-rapist

Disgusting.
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I mean, I'm not really sure what this means besides this guy seems pretty awful?
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What it means is that liberals are all for the rehabilitation of rapists and criminals, and want them to be re-integrated into society......unless they are against gays rights.....
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(04-23-2015 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  What it means is that liberals are all for the rehabilitation of rapists and criminals, and want them to be re-integrated into society......unless they are against gays rights.....

Actually, this isn't the first case of this either. Here in Houston, one of the mega pastors trying to ban Transgendered persons from having access to the bathroom when they are conducting business hired a YOUTH minister who daillied with the kids.

My larger point is that all of the screaming from the anti-Gays about 'protecting the children' is just misplaced.

From Pedophile priests, to rapist Preachers, to child molesting youth ministers...it seems to me that those screaming about 'protecting kids' need to focus less on our community and more on their own.

A kind of off color joke in my community runs like this "If you want your kids to be safe...don't take them to church...take them to a Gay bar...they'll be safer there".

Obviously that goes too far, but it brings up the larger point that those claiming that opposition to LGBT rights is somehow justified based upon concerns for safety of kids is very hypocritical.
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Psst: Most of those molesting Priests... gay.
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(04-23-2015 04:26 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Psst: Most of those molesting Priests... gay.

Man, I wonder why this topic gets brought up all the time whenever homosexuality is mentioned around you?

Maybe it's you?
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And once again, I didn't bring it up.

Hey, if you'd like, I could go ahead and give you the synopsis of how this thread will go again. But you'll have to promise to get it this time.
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Let's just go with the short version.

"Men who molest boys aren't gay."

"Yes they are."
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They are homosexual, I don't think they'd fit the category of being 'gay' though. I'd consider the opposite form of pedophile heterosexual, but I wouldn't consider them 'straight'.
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(04-23-2015 02:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 12:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  What it means is that liberals are all for the rehabilitation of rapists and criminals, and want them to be re-integrated into society......unless they are against gays rights.....

Actually, this isn't the first case of this either. Here in Houston, one of the mega pastors trying to ban Transgendered persons from having access to the bathroom when they are conducting business hired a YOUTH minister who daillied with the kids.

My larger point is that all of the screaming from the anti-Gays about 'protecting the children' is just misplaced.

From Pedophile priests, to rapist Preachers, to child molesting youth ministers...it seems to me that those screaming about 'protecting kids' need to focus less on our community and more on their own.

A kind of off color joke in my community runs like this "If you want your kids to be safe...don't take them to church...take them to a Gay bar...they'll be safer there".

Obviously that goes too far, but it brings up the larger point that those claiming that opposition to LGBT rights is somehow justified based upon concerns for safety of kids is very hypocritical.

Tom, You're really spinning this too hard. First, the convicted rapist was 23 when he raped an 80 year old.... he's now 60. I'm not excusing what he did... I'm merely pointing out that other than his association with religion, that incident has nothing to do with either of the other cases. You may as well point out that he is black, and then point out that someone convicted of murdering a child is also black and then try and argue that your kids are safer around gay people than black people.

If you want to dismiss this guys opinion because of his own past transgressions, that opinion has merit. Some on the other side would actually argue the opposite... that Nancy Reagan was in less of a position to tell people to 'just say no' to drugs than say George W or Bill or Barack.... or Ted Kennedy.... but the argument has merit.

Should we not allow ANY previously convicted felons to voice their opinions? I'd be okay with that actually. It's not Constitutional, but so long as it was ALL of them, at least it would be 'fair'.

Is the preacher trying to ban transgendered people from the bathroom REALLLY trying to ban them from the bathroom, or merely trying to ban them from a CERTAIN bathroom? I strongly suspect the latter though I certainly don't know. How is that materially different from what the transgendered actually want? Don't they, themselves want to be allowed to use the bathroom that they feel most 'correct'? ANd not merely the right to go into either, depending on their mood?

I think it pretty self-evident that the reason we have mens and women's restrooms is pretty universally accepted, and while this certainly creates a potential issue for the transgendered, there certainly should be a rule applied to them, right? The preacher has a different opinion than yours as to what that rule should be (i.e. the restroom of their 'appearance' vs the restroom of their 'equipment') but unless he's actually saying they shouldn't be allowed to use any restroom at all, I don't really see how having a different opinion of what the rule should be is the problem you want to imply.

I know some men who'd love to use the women's bathroom... but they're not allowed to... Why should trangendered be any different? IT's merely a question of which one. You can disagree with his reason, but trying to label him a bigot and equate him to a pedophile or rapist is just wrong.

If he's actually trying to ban them from public restrooms, that's another issue.
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It is good that he turned his life around. He did some awful crimes as a young man.
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Tom, your stance is better than this sort of sh*t. Conservatives stoop to stuff like this because it's all they have. No one reasonable thinks gays shouldn't be allowed to marry or that we should allow discrimination based on sexuality. We don't need to point out things like this, as if it actually matters, because that comes off as desperate. When in fact, the only ones who are desperate are the ones clinging to ideals that have swung away from them far more quickly, than anyone could imagine.

[Image: gay-marriage-trend2.jpg&w=1484]

That survey found 81% wanting legalization in 18-29 year olds. We can't get that many people to agree on whether or not we've landed on the moon.
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(04-23-2015 05:12 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Tom, your stance is better than this sort of sh*t. Conservatives stoop to stuff like this because it's all they have. No one reasonable thinks gays shouldn't be allowed to marry or that we should allow discrimination based on sexuality. We don't need to point out things like this, as if it actually matters, because that comes off as desperate. When in fact, the only ones who are desperate are the ones clinging to ideals that have swung away from them far more quickly, than anyone could imagine.

[Image: gay-marriage-trend2.jpg&w=1484]

That survey found 81% wanting legalization in 18-29 year olds. We can't get that many people to agree on whether or not we've landed on the moon.

Good post.

Actually, if you take out the word 'marriage' (because some see that as a religious, not legal term) you have even less of an issue. What I mean is, even many who consider 'marriage' between a man and a woman, don't oppose gays having all the same rights and responsibilities under the laws afforded to 'married' people. I think MOST on the right, regardless of what they think the bible says about what is 'proper' have no problem with ANY adults wishing to give the power to make decisions to another or represent them or inherit their estate or whatever else... and many would rather have 'unwanted' children in happy homes with 2 adult caregivers than none, or unhappy ones with one. They won't prefer it to hetero couples, but they prefer it to 'nothing'.
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(04-24-2015 10:42 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-23-2015 05:12 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Tom, your stance is better than this sort of sh*t. Conservatives stoop to stuff like this because it's all they have. No one reasonable thinks gays shouldn't be allowed to marry or that we should allow discrimination based on sexuality. We don't need to point out things like this, as if it actually matters, because that comes off as desperate. When in fact, the only ones who are desperate are the ones clinging to ideals that have swung away from them far more quickly, than anyone could imagine.

[Image: gay-marriage-trend2.jpg&w=1484]

That survey found 81% wanting legalization in 18-29 year olds. We can't get that many people to agree on whether or not we've landed on the moon.

Good post.

Actually, if you take out the word 'marriage' (because some see that as a religious, not legal term) you have even less of an issue. What I mean is, even many who consider 'marriage' between a man and a woman, don't oppose gays having all the same rights and responsibilities under the laws afforded to 'married' people. I think MOST on the right, regardless of what they think the bible says about what is 'proper' have no problem with ANY adults wishing to give the power to make decisions to another or represent them or inherit their estate or whatever else... and many would rather have 'unwanted' children in happy homes with 2 adult caregivers than none, or unhappy ones with one. They won't prefer it to hetero couples, but they prefer it to 'nothing'.

Honestly, at this point, I think the wording is a sticking point to those who support gay marriage. I agree that ideally, the word marriage never would have been used in what amounts to be a government supported civil union. But it was, and if we change it, it really only solidifies to those who support gay rights that people still see them as 'different'.

It's a silly point, but imagine if they offered civil unions to interracial couples instead of marriage? I think you'd see why that would be wholly disagreeable to them. It's the same for homosexuals, and quite frankly, given the popular swing in support, they'd be stupid to think they need to compromise to anything but full equality.
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(04-24-2015 11:20 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Honestly, at this point, I think the wording is a sticking point to those who support gay marriage. I agree that ideally, the word marriage never would have been used in what amounts to be a government supported civil union. But it was, and if we change it, it really only solidifies to those who support gay rights that people still see them as 'different'.

It's a silly point, but imagine if they offered civil unions to interracial couples instead of marriage? I think you'd see why that would be wholly disagreeable to them. It's the same for homosexuals, and quite frankly, given the popular swing in support, they'd be stupid to think they need to compromise to anything but full equality.

It's a sticking point for the religious as well.

Why don't we name ALL 'marriages' for the purpose of government classifications to be civil unions? If you want a marriage license or certificate, you go to your church of choice.

Sure, those 'married' before would have a state issued 'marriage' license and others won't, but I had a property deed that said I couldn't sell my home to anyone other than the white race without the permission of my neighbors and that my outhouse had to be 3 feet from the property line. Those sorts of things get rendered moot all the time. NOBODY from 'this date' forward would have a state issued marriage license or certificate, and for the purposes of the law, any such license issued before that date would be considered a civil union certificate.
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(04-23-2015 05:12 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Tom, your stance is better than this sort of sh*t. Conservatives stoop to stuff like this because it's all they have. No one reasonable thinks gays shouldn't be allowed to marry or that we should allow discrimination based on sexuality. We don't need to point out things like this, as if it actually matters, because that comes off as desperate. When in fact, the only ones who are desperate are the ones clinging to ideals that have swung away from them far more quickly, than anyone could imagine.

[Image: gay-marriage-trend2.jpg&w=1484]

That survey found 81% wanting legalization in 18-29 year olds. We can't get that many people to agree on whether or not we've landed on the moon.

What opposition that is left is predicated on two things IMO, the word marriage itself and the ability for churches to still retain selectively over who they decide to wed.
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(04-24-2015 12:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-24-2015 11:20 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Honestly, at this point, I think the wording is a sticking point to those who support gay marriage. I agree that ideally, the word marriage never would have been used in what amounts to be a government supported civil union. But it was, and if we change it, it really only solidifies to those who support gay rights that people still see them as 'different'.

It's a silly point, but imagine if they offered civil unions to interracial couples instead of marriage? I think you'd see why that would be wholly disagreeable to them. It's the same for homosexuals, and quite frankly, given the popular swing in support, they'd be stupid to think they need to compromise to anything but full equality.

It's a sticking point for the religious as well.

Why don't we name ALL 'marriages' for the purpose of government classifications to be civil unions? If you want a marriage license or certificate, you go to your church of choice.

Sure, those 'married' before would have a state issued 'marriage' license and others won't, but I had a property deed that said I couldn't sell my home to anyone other than the white race without the permission of my neighbors and that my outhouse had to be 3 feet from the property line. Those sorts of things get rendered moot all the time. NOBODY from 'this date' forward would have a state issued marriage license or certificate, and for the purposes of the law, any such license issued before that date would be considered a civil union certificate.

It's still cowering to the point that there is something about Homosexuality that means we need to change the legislation over it. It might seem silly, and if it seemed like most people truly wanted this, then it would probably do. But right now there is no need for them to accept some sort of consolation prize, from a political pressure-wise. And the left knows this so they continue to encourage pointing it out, while the right is dead set on trying a strategy of slowly pulling off the band-aid when the eventuality is obvious to anyone.
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