(04-26-2015 12:34 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:22 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 08:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 06:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

I think we are watching the part where cities/counties/metro-regions explain to major-league sports franchises that they simply cannot afford a new state-of-the-art facility every 20-25 years, and if that means the team is going away, then Goodbye.

The Braves may be finalizing the divorce now nut they have been wanting a trial separation for 20 years. They are moving exactly to where their target clientele lives. Very unsurprising to most that they are moving to an office park in Cobb County. The Falcons got a deal because they are not the Braves. All you have to do is walk across the tailgate lots at the Dome to realize how diverse the Falcons' crowd is. Same. With Hawks. Braves decided a long time ago that their target audience was from Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Marietta, Dunwoody and Duluth. Things were different under Ted Turner. Good Ridddance.

Is there a less poltically correct way of saying that?

You should ask the Braves. To make their case for abandoning downtown they showed a map of where their season ticket holders are located. Needless to say a lot of red dots across the northern arc of the metro area. Was kind of a surprising tactic given that no other professional sport relies more on walk up business and single game ticket buyers.

In fairness to the Braves -- and I am in full agreement with the City of Atlanta's decision to say (so many words) "Don't let the door hit you" -- the new stadium is just barely across the Cobb line and will be barely inside 285. From a standpoint of pure accessibility, the new location is amazingly well-placed. And the surrounding area is hardly "all-white". The 'burbs have changed a lot in 25 years.

(04-26-2015 09:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:22 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 08:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 06:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

I think we are watching the part where cities/counties/metro-regions explain to major-league sports franchises that they simply cannot afford a new state-of-the-art facility every 20-25 years, and if that means the team is going away, then Goodbye.

The Braves may be finalizing the divorce now nut they have been wanting a trial separation for 20 years. They are moving exactly to where their target clientele lives. Very unsurprising to most that they are moving to an office park in Cobb County. The Falcons got a deal because they are not the Braves. All you have to do is walk across the tailgate lots at the Dome to realize how diverse the Falcons' crowd is. Same. With Hawks. Braves decided a long time ago that their target audience was from Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Marietta, Dunwoody and Duluth. Things were different under Ted Turner. Good Ridddance.

Remember when Turner Field was built it was built as a temporary multi-use stadium...as that is where the Track & Field and I think opening/closing ceremonies for the 1996 Olympics.

It was stupid to build the "baseball" stadium some 2 miles from downtown...and not connected to MARTA.

Since most of the Braves season tix base lives North of Downtown...its hard for those to drive back home in rush hour...pick up the family...then drive back into downtown for a weeknight game (majority of their home schedule).

Many new baseball stadiums built around or after Turner Field....have been built in downtown areas and San Diego was one of them (along with Denver, Seattle, San Fran, DC et al).

Not clue if ATL had built a stadium in Mid-Town some 15-20 years ago if it would have been different...but unlike some other cities, the Braves clientele live so far from downtown, hence the moves to the suburbs.

It's not two miles from Downtown. Lol. And spending hundreds of millions of dollars to bring MARTA to the Ted would have been a silly waste of tax payer money with GSU MARTA station 3/4 of a mile away. The Ted also would not have been a logical spur off the east/west line.

As for driving to the ball park and inconvenience...how convenient will it be for folks liking in Fayetteville and Peachtree City (Southside) to attend games in Marietta? At least Dowtown was only 15 miles vs. 30 miles to Marietta. The new park is also in the worst possible traffic area maybe in the entire southern United States.

But hey, GSU gets a football stadium.

Georgia Southern should name change to South Georgia so I can stop confusing Georgia State and Georgia Southern acronyms

(04-24-2015 03:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  A lot of the resistance to urban schools building stadiums is about tax money building a stadium that either draws crowds ( in which case the owners should be paying for it) or doesn't draw crowds (in which case it was a huge waste of money.)

A stadium being built as part of a big expansion of SDSU is a very different animal, politically. Packaging an SDSU (and MLS) stadium with new dorms and college buildings is a much more attracitve package. (Politics matters because you have to navigate zoning, utilities, etc.)

There will be a huge dependency on SDSU's relationship with City Hall and the state.

(04-26-2015 01:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  A lot of the resistance to urban schools building stadiums is about tax money building a stadium that either draws crowds ( in which case the owners should be paying for it) or doesn't draw crowds (in which case it was a huge waste of money.)

A stadium being built as part of a big expansion of SDSU is a very different animal, politically. Packaging an SDSU (and MLS) stadium with new dorms and college buildings is a much more attracitve package. (Politics matters because you have to navigate zoning, utilities, etc.)

There will be a huge dependency on SDSU's relationship with City Hall and the state.

SDSU is extremely well connected politically at the city, county & state level.

CA Senator Marty Block (Chairman of Senate Education Financing Subcommittee) - Former SDSU professor of 26 years
CA Assembly Member Shirley Weber - Current SDSU Professor
SD Mayor Kevin Faulconer - SDSU Alum
SD County Supervisor Ron Roberts - SDSU Alum
SD County Supervisor Greg Cox - SDSU Alum
SD County Supervisor Dianne Jacob - SDSU Alum
SD City Council Member David Alvarez - SDSU Alum

Senator Marty Block has already proposed SDSU assume the property for a West Campus Expansion and new stadium when/if the Chargers leave.

Watch this short video…

http://www.kusi.com/story/28228281/senat...university

(04-26-2015 01:54 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  Georgia Southern should name change to South Georgia so I can stop confusing Georgia State and Georgia Southern acronyms

I think they are fine with Georgia Southern Eagles or GS. Hahaha

(04-26-2015 02:03 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 01:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  A lot of the resistance to urban schools building stadiums is about tax money building a stadium that either draws crowds ( in which case the owners should be paying for it) or doesn't draw crowds (in which case it was a huge waste of money.)

A stadium being built as part of a big expansion of SDSU is a very different animal, politically. Packaging an SDSU (and MLS) stadium with new dorms and college buildings is a much more attracitve package. (Politics matters because you have to navigate zoning, utilities, etc.)

There will be a huge dependency on SDSU's relationship with City Hall and the state.

SDSU is extremely well connected politically at the city, county & state level.

CA Senator Marty Block (Chairman of Senate Education Financing Subcommittee) - Former SDSU professor of 26 years
CA Assembly Member Shirley Weber - Current SDSU Professor
SD Mayor Kevin Faulconer - SDSU Alum
SD County Supervisor Ron Roberts - SDSU Alum
SD County Supervisor Greg Cox - SDSU Alum
SD County Supervisor Dianne Jacob - SDSU Alum
SD City Council Member David Alvarez - SDSU Alum

Senator Marty Block has already proposed SDSU assume the property for a West Campus Expansion and new stadium when/if the Chargers leave.

Watch this short video…

http://www.kusi.com/story/28228281/senat...university

Very awesome for SDSU

(04-26-2015 01:51 PM)panama Wrote:  spending hundreds of millions of dollars to bring MARTA to the Ted would have been a silly waste of tax payer money with GSU MARTA station 3/4 of a mile away. The Ted also would not have been a logical spur off the east/west line.

All true.

Quote:As for driving to the ball park and inconvenience...how convenient will it be for folks liking in Fayetteville and Peachtree City (Southside) to attend games in Marietta? At least Dowtown was only 15 miles vs. 30 miles to Marietta.

Stadium is not going to be in Marietta.

Quote: new park is also in the worst possible traffic area maybe in the entire southern United States.

There are no traffic-friendly options in Metro Atlanta. Only way to avoid that is to put it in Griffin or something like that.

Quote:But hey, GSU gets a football stadium.

Exactly. This has a chance to be a HUGE win-win-win for GSU, Downtown ATL, the Bravos and the Cobb/Galleria area.

(04-26-2015 01:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 09:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:22 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 08:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 06:08 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  It’s Over: The Chargers Are Done With San Diego

The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

I think we are watching the part where cities/counties/metro-regions explain to major-league sports franchises that they simply cannot afford a new state-of-the-art facility every 20-25 years, and if that means the team is going away, then Goodbye.

The Braves may be finalizing the divorce now nut they have been wanting a trial separation for 20 years. They are moving exactly to where their target clientele lives. Very unsurprising to most that they are moving to an office park in Cobb County. The Falcons got a deal because they are not the Braves. All you have to do is walk across the tailgate lots at the Dome to realize how diverse the Falcons' crowd is. Same. With Hawks. Braves decided a long time ago that their target audience was from Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Marietta, Dunwoody and Duluth. Things were different under Ted Turner. Good Ridddance.

Remember when Turner Field was built it was built as a temporary multi-use stadium...as that is where the Track & Field and I think opening/closing ceremonies for the 1996 Olympics.

It was stupid to build the "baseball" stadium some 2 miles from downtown...and not connected to MARTA.

Since most of the Braves season tix base lives North of Downtown...its hard for those to drive back home in rush hour...pick up the family...then drive back into downtown for a weeknight game (majority of their home schedule).

Many new baseball stadiums built around or after Turner Field....have been built in downtown areas and San Diego was one of them (along with Denver, Seattle, San Fran, DC et al).

Not clue if ATL had built a stadium in Mid-Town some 15-20 years ago if it would have been different...but unlike some other cities, the Braves clientele live so far from downtown, hence the moves to the suburbs.

It's not two miles from Downtown. Lol. And spending hundreds of millions of dollars to bring MARTA to the Ted would have been a silly waste of tax payer money with GSU MARTA station 3/4 of a mile away. The Ted also would not have been a logical spur off the east/west line.

Actually, Turner Field is about 2 miles from a southern part of downtown (Georgia Dome), let alone further heading up towards Mid-town.

It was stupid that about of all the crap construction that went on for 4-5 years for the Olympics, they didn't build a line to Turner Field.

All my friends that live North of ATL (some WELL North of ATL) are happy the Braves are moving out of Turner Field (not a bad baseball stadium...but not one of the best).

(04-26-2015 02:14 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 01:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 09:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:22 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 08:58 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The Sonics (NBA) and Seattle.
The Braves (MLB) and *Downtown* Atlanta.
The Chargers (NFL) and San Diego?

I think we are watching the part where cities/counties/metro-regions explain to major-league sports franchises that they simply cannot afford a new state-of-the-art facility every 20-25 years, and if that means the team is going away, then Goodbye.

The Braves may be finalizing the divorce now nut they have been wanting a trial separation for 20 years. They are moving exactly to where their target clientele lives. Very unsurprising to most that they are moving to an office park in Cobb County. The Falcons got a deal because they are not the Braves. All you have to do is walk across the tailgate lots at the Dome to realize how diverse the Falcons' crowd is. Same. With Hawks. Braves decided a long time ago that their target audience was from Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Marietta, Dunwoody and Duluth. Things were different under Ted Turner. Good Ridddance.

Remember when Turner Field was built it was built as a temporary multi-use stadium...as that is where the Track & Field and I think opening/closing ceremonies for the 1996 Olympics.

It was stupid to build the "baseball" stadium some 2 miles from downtown...and not connected to MARTA.

Since most of the Braves season tix base lives North of Downtown...its hard for those to drive back home in rush hour...pick up the family...then drive back into downtown for a weeknight game (majority of their home schedule).

Many new baseball stadiums built around or after Turner Field....have been built in downtown areas and San Diego was one of them (along with Denver, Seattle, San Fran, DC et al).

Not clue if ATL had built a stadium in Mid-Town some 15-20 years ago if it would have been different...but unlike some other cities, the Braves clientele live so far from downtown, hence the moves to the suburbs.

It's not two miles from Downtown. Lol. And spending hundreds of millions of dollars to bring MARTA to the Ted would have been a silly waste of tax payer money with GSU MARTA station 3/4 of a mile away. The Ted also would not have been a logical spur off the east/west line.

Actually, Turner Field is about 2 miles from a southern part of downtown (Georgia Dome), let alone further heading up towards Mid-town.

It was stupid that about of all the crap construction that went on for 4-5 years for the Olympics, they didn't build a line to Turner Field.

All my friends that live North of ATL (some WELL North of ATL) are happy the Braves are moving out of Turner Field (not a bad baseball stadium...but not one of the best).

Um wut? I live here and in the area where the Ted is located. But thanks for educating me on my neighborhood through third hand knowledge from people who live in Alpharetta.

(04-26-2015 02:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 01:51 PM)panama Wrote:  spending hundreds of millions of dollars to bring MARTA to the Ted would have been a silly waste of tax payer money with GSU MARTA station 3/4 of a mile away. The Ted also would not have been a logical spur off the east/west line.

All true.

Quote:As for driving to the ball park and inconvenience...how convenient will it be for folks liking in Fayetteville and Peachtree City (Southside) to attend games in Marietta? At least Dowtown was only 15 miles vs. 30 miles to Marietta.

Stadium is not going to be in Marietta.

Quote: new park is also in the worst possible traffic area maybe in the entire southern United States.

There are no traffic-friendly options in Metro Atlanta. Only way to avoid that is to put it in Griffin or something like that.

Quote:But hey, GSU gets a football stadium.

Exactly. This has a chance to be a HUGE win-win-win for GSU, Downtown ATL, the Bravos and the Cobb/Galleria area.

For most of us it s Marietta. And even for Atlanta traffic the Cumberland area sticks out as statistically the worst,traffic in the region.

(04-26-2015 01:54 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  Georgia Southern should name change to South Georgia so I can stop confusing Georgia State and Georgia Southern acronyms

Or Georgia State to Georgia A&M or Atlanta State (so people know exactly where it is).

(04-26-2015 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  For most of us it s Marietta.

Panama you know I love you but that's like people in East Cobb who think "downtown" is everything between Buckhead and the airport.

Quote:And even for Atlanta traffic the Cumberland area sticks out as statistically the worst,traffic in the region.

Theres no question that this new stadium project will require an enormous amount of planning and coordination from a lot of different agencies. Just as the hoped-for GSU Stadium/athletic-village deal is going to require a lot of careful planning, too.

Metro Atlanta has made a lot of unlikely-projects become reality over the years. I think these two new stadiums will join the list.

(04-26-2015 02:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 02:14 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 01:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 09:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:22 AM)panama Wrote:  The Braves may be finalizing the divorce now nut they have been wanting a trial separation for 20 years. They are moving exactly to where their target clientele lives. Very unsurprising to most that they are moving to an office park in Cobb County. The Falcons got a deal because they are not the Braves. All you have to do is walk across the tailgate lots at the Dome to realize how diverse the Falcons' crowd is. Same. With Hawks. Braves decided a long time ago that their target audience was from Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Marietta, Dunwoody and Duluth. Things were different under Ted Turner. Good Ridddance.

Remember when Turner Field was built it was built as a temporary multi-use stadium...as that is where the Track & Field and I think opening/closing ceremonies for the 1996 Olympics.

It was stupid to build the "baseball" stadium some 2 miles from downtown...and not connected to MARTA.

Since most of the Braves season tix base lives North of Downtown...its hard for those to drive back home in rush hour...pick up the family...then drive back into downtown for a weeknight game (majority of their home schedule).

Many new baseball stadiums built around or after Turner Field....have been built in downtown areas and San Diego was one of them (along with Denver, Seattle, San Fran, DC et al).

Not clue if ATL had built a stadium in Mid-Town some 15-20 years ago if it would have been different...but unlike some other cities, the Braves clientele live so far from downtown, hence the moves to the suburbs.

It's not two miles from Downtown. Lol. And spending hundreds of millions of dollars to bring MARTA to the Ted would have been a silly waste of tax payer money with GSU MARTA station 3/4 of a mile away. The Ted also would not have been a logical spur off the east/west line.

Actually, Turner Field is about 2 miles from a southern part of downtown (Georgia Dome), let alone further heading up towards Mid-town.

It was stupid that about of all the crap construction that went on for 4-5 years for the Olympics, they didn't build a line to Turner Field.

All my friends that live North of ATL (some WELL North of ATL) are happy the Braves are moving out of Turner Field (not a bad baseball stadium...but not one of the best).

Um wut? I live here and in the area where the Ted is located. But thanks for educating me on my neighborhood through third hand knowledge from people who live in Alpharetta.

Ah...I went to games at Fulton County for a long-time, well before you were eating Gerbers.

PS. Sorry to hear you live next door/near Turner Field.

(04-26-2015 02:34 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Sorry to hear you live next door/near Turner Field.

It's not where I like to hang out but it's headed in a good direction.

(04-26-2015 02:34 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 02:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 02:14 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 01:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 09:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Remember when Turner Field was built it was built as a temporary multi-use stadium...as that is where the Track & Field and I think opening/closing ceremonies for the 1996 Olympics.

It was stupid to build the "baseball" stadium some 2 miles from downtown...and not connected to MARTA.

Since most of the Braves season tix base lives North of Downtown...its hard for those to drive back home in rush hour...pick up the family...then drive back into downtown for a weeknight game (majority of their home schedule).

Many new baseball stadiums built around or after Turner Field....have been built in downtown areas and San Diego was one of them (along with Denver, Seattle, San Fran, DC et al).

Not clue if ATL had built a stadium in Mid-Town some 15-20 years ago if it would have been different...but unlike some other cities, the Braves clientele live so far from downtown, hence the moves to the suburbs.

It's not two miles from Downtown. Lol. And spending hundreds of millions of dollars to bring MARTA to the Ted would have been a silly waste of tax payer money with GSU MARTA station 3/4 of a mile away. The Ted also would not have been a logical spur off the east/west line.

Actually, Turner Field is about 2 miles from a southern part of downtown (Georgia Dome), let alone further heading up towards Mid-town.

It was stupid that about of all the crap construction that went on for 4-5 years for the Olympics, they didn't build a line to Turner Field.

All my friends that live North of ATL (some WELL North of ATL) are happy the Braves are moving out of Turner Field (not a bad baseball stadium...but not one of the best).

Um wut? I live here and in the area where the Ted is located. But thanks for educating me on my neighborhood through third hand knowledge from people who live in Alpharetta.

Ah...I went to games at Fulton County for a long-time, well before you were eating Gerbers.

PS. Sorry to hear you live next door/near Turner Field.

I am not sorry. LOL? Cha Ching

(04-26-2015 02:40 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 02:34 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Sorry to hear you live next door/near Turner Field.

It's not where I like to hang out but it's headed in a good direction.

I think The Ted is the last piece of downtown that needed redoing. Will be extra nice if the street car comes down Capitol Avenue as well.

But back to SDSU. Any thought to,redoing or repurposing the existing stadium?

(04-26-2015 01:54 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  A lot of the resistance to urban schools building stadiums is about tax money building a stadium that either draws crowds ( in which case the owners should be paying for it) or doesn't draw crowds (in which case it was a huge waste of money.)

A stadium being built as part of a big expansion of SDSU is a very different animal, politically. Packaging an SDSU (and MLS) stadium with new dorms and college buildings is a much more attracitve package. (Politics matters because you have to navigate zoning, utilities, etc.)

There will be a huge dependency on SDSU's relationship with City Hall and the state.

Your point about SDSU's relationship to City Hall and Sacramento is true, but it's true whether SDSU wants to use the Qualcomm site for just a stadium or a new "Aztec City" campus (including a stadium) or an industrial park or a bird sanctuary.

My point is that for a neutral(ish) councilperson, "let's build a huge expansion to the city's #1 university (including a football stadium)" is a much easier sell than "let's build a new football stadium" which will be used a half-dozen times a year, twenty days max.