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RE: San Diego St about to be luckiest football team in non-entitlement league
(04-26-2015 04:14 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-26-2015 01:54 PM)panama Wrote:  
(04-24-2015 03:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  A lot of the resistance to urban schools building stadiums is about tax money building a stadium that either draws crowds ( in which case the owners should be paying for it) or doesn't draw crowds (in which case it was a huge waste of money.)

A stadium being built as part of a big expansion of SDSU is a very different animal, politically. Packaging an SDSU (and MLS) stadium with new dorms and college buildings is a much more attracitve package. (Politics matters because you have to navigate zoning, utilities, etc.)

There will be a huge dependency on SDSU's relationship with City Hall and the state.

Your point about SDSU's relationship to City Hall and Sacramento is true, but it's true whether SDSU wants to use the Qualcomm site for just a stadium or a new "Aztec City" campus (including a stadium) or an industrial park or a bird sanctuary.

My point is that for a neutral(ish) councilperson, "let's build a huge expansion to the city's #1 university (including a football stadium)" is a much easier sell than "let's build a new football stadium" which will be used a half-dozen times a year, twenty days max.
Not disagreeing and in fact that is our selling pitch to Atlanta
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(04-26-2015 02:49 PM)panama Wrote:  But back to SDSU. Any thought to,redoing or repurposing the existing stadium?

The Chargers would never go for that. It is a possibility for SDSU. However, it was originally designed as a baseball & football stadium. Thus the seats are very far away from the field and the sight lines are awful.

It may be better to just raze the Q and build a smaller 40,000 seat stadium. Depends on costs. I'm sure SDSU will explore multiple options.
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(04-26-2015 04:14 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-26-2015 01:54 PM)panama Wrote:  
(04-24-2015 03:15 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  A lot of the resistance to urban schools building stadiums is about tax money building a stadium that either draws crowds ( in which case the owners should be paying for it) or doesn't draw crowds (in which case it was a huge waste of money.)

A stadium being built as part of a big expansion of SDSU is a very different animal, politically. Packaging an SDSU (and MLS) stadium with new dorms and college buildings is a much more attracitve package. (Politics matters because you have to navigate zoning, utilities, etc.)

There will be a huge dependency on SDSU's relationship with City Hall and the state.

Your point about SDSU's relationship to City Hall and Sacramento is true, but it's true whether SDSU wants to use the Qualcomm site for just a stadium or a new "Aztec City" campus (including a stadium) or an industrial park or a bird sanctuary.

My point is that for a neutral(ish) councilperson, "let's build a huge expansion to the city's #1 university (including a football stadium)" is a much easier sell than "let's build a new football stadium" which will be used a half-dozen times a year, twenty days max.
A new stadium will be a slam dunk if San Diego can attract a MLS team to partner with SDSU to build and finance a stadium.

That would be 6-7 home games for SDSU depending on OOC schedule and one additional game if we host the conference championship game. MLS has 17 home games not including playoffs. We would still host at least one college bowl game if it was a 35,000 - 40,000 seat stadium. Possibly a stadium concert or two. Plus high school football championships. And probably a couple international soccer games.

That is around 25-30 events per year. Not great but not bad either.
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SDSU, what is the hoped-for time frame for getting this "Aztec City" thing done? Sounds like it would be a massive project
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(04-27-2015 01:45 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  SDSU, what is the hoped-for time frame for getting this "Aztec City" thing done? Sounds like it would be a massive project

Everything depends on what the Chargers do. If this is their last year in San Diego I would expect SDSU to move ASAP on their contingency plans once the Chargers pack up the moving trucks.

One of the many reasons it makes sense for SDSU to either purchase or long term lease all/most of the 166 acre Q site is because as a state entity we have the ability to fund and develop the property over a long period of time. Also, because we are a state entity we can avoid many road blocks such as environmental reports and voter approval (not that acquisition & development of the site for SDSU West Campus wouldn't pass with flying colors). A private entity that wanted to acquire the land would have environmental, entitlement and voter approval to deal with. These are all costly and lengthy processes that are not guaranteed to go in your favor (high risk for a private company). No such problems will prevent SDSU from developing the property.

I really don't know what kind of time frame to expect. I only know we have a minimum of a five year guaranteed lease at the Q when the Chargers leave.

Best case scenario is we have a stadium solution by the end of the fifth year. Worst case is we have a stadium solution in 10 years. I would guess when we get the Q site we would master plan the site and begin construction on student/faculty housing, classrooms/research facilities, large public research park along the San Diego River & mixed use retail/food/entertainment. It will probably take 5-10 years to build the site out. But I am only guessing.

Our stadium would have to be privately funded unless classrooms were incorporated into it. Or we partner with a MLS team to build one.
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(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers on the verge of joining the Raiders in an NFL stadium in LA in 2016, SDSU and it's fans are about to be huge winners. No NFL team to compete with in a huge beautiful city will be a game changer for them. Qualcomm stadium has to give SDSU 5 more years after the Chargers leave so either they get the Q to themselves for good, or they build an OCS on their West Campus. Lucky them....Fresno benefits a bit too with the Raiders leaving Oakland as they heavily recruit the area and have a good amount of students from their. Oakland Raider fans have to follow someone and it sure won't be the LA Raiders, 49'ers, Cal or Stanford. Lucky skunks....

Bump. I made that post ^ in spring of 2015:

Chargers gone. San Diego St looking to get that new on campus stadium.

Raiders leaving. Fresno St is ranked and headed to MWC CCG.

Both programs will benifeit greatly from losing the NFL in their areas.

USF & Temple each need an OCS now.
Tulane needs The Saints to leave someday.
Cincinnati needs the Bengals to leave someday.
Houston needs the Texans to move to San Antonio.
SMU needs the Cowboys to leav—-hahahahaha. Yeah right.
UCF needs to keep the NFL out of Orlando forever.
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(11-23-2018 11:31 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers on the verge of joining the Raiders in an NFL stadium in LA in 2016, SDSU and it's fans are about to be huge winners. No NFL team to compete with in a huge beautiful city will be a game changer for them. Qualcomm stadium has to give SDSU 5 more years after the Chargers leave so either they get the Q to themselves for good, or they build an OCS on their West Campus. Lucky them....Fresno benefits a bit too with the Raiders leaving Oakland as they heavily recruit the area and have a good amount of students from their. Oakland Raider fans have to follow someone and it sure won't be the LA Raiders, 49'ers, Cal or Stanford. Lucky skunks....

Bump. I made that post ^ in spring of 2015:

Chargers gone. San Diego St looking to get that new on campus stadium.

Raiders leaving. Fresno St is ranked and headed to MWC CCG.

Both programs will benifeit greatly from losing the NFL in their areas.

USF & Temple each need an OCS now.
Tulane needs The Saints to leave someday.
Cincinnati needs the Bengals to leave someday.
Houston needs the Texans to move to San Antonio.
SMU needs the Cowboys to leav—-hahahahaha. Yeah right.
UCF needs to keep the NFL out of Orlando forever.

Connecticut needs to ban football.
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RE: San Diego St about to be luckiest football team in non-entitlement league
(11-23-2018 11:31 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers on the verge of joining the Raiders in an NFL stadium in LA in 2016, SDSU and it's fans are about to be huge winners. No NFL team to compete with in a huge beautiful city will be a game changer for them. Qualcomm stadium has to give SDSU 5 more years after the Chargers leave so either they get the Q to themselves for good, or they build an OCS on their West Campus. Lucky them....Fresno benefits a bit too with the Raiders leaving Oakland as they heavily recruit the area and have a good amount of students from their. Oakland Raider fans have to follow someone and it sure won't be the LA Raiders, 49'ers, Cal or Stanford. Lucky skunks....

Bump. I made that post ^ in spring of 2015:

Chargers gone. San Diego St looking to get that new on campus stadium.

Raiders leaving. Fresno St is ranked and headed to MWC CCG.

Both programs will benifeit greatly from losing the NFL in their areas.

USF & Temple each need an OCS now.
Tulane needs The Saints to leave someday.
Cincinnati needs the Bengals to leave someday.
Houston needs the Texans to move to San Antonio.
SMU needs the Cowboys to leav—-hahahahaha. Yeah right.
UCF needs to keep the NFL out of Orlando forever.
If the aac ever does a western expansion sdsu has to be on the list. The American isn't the conference they rejected years ago.

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(11-23-2018 12:45 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  
(11-23-2018 11:31 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-22-2015 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  With the Chargers on the verge of joining the Raiders in an NFL stadium in LA in 2016, SDSU and it's fans are about to be huge winners. No NFL team to compete with in a huge beautiful city will be a game changer for them. Qualcomm stadium has to give SDSU 5 more years after the Chargers leave so either they get the Q to themselves for good, or they build an OCS on their West Campus. Lucky them....Fresno benefits a bit too with the Raiders leaving Oakland as they heavily recruit the area and have a good amount of students from their. Oakland Raider fans have to follow someone and it sure won't be the LA Raiders, 49'ers, Cal or Stanford. Lucky skunks....

Bump. I made that post ^ in spring of 2015:

Chargers gone. San Diego St looking to get that new on campus stadium.

Raiders leaving. Fresno St is ranked and headed to MWC CCG.

Both programs will benifeit greatly from losing the NFL in their areas.

USF & Temple each need an OCS now.
Tulane needs The Saints to leave someday.
Cincinnati needs the Bengals to leave someday.
Houston needs the Texans to move to San Antonio.
SMU needs the Cowboys to leav—-hahahahaha. Yeah right.
UCF needs to keep the NFL out of Orlando forever.
If the aac ever does a western expansion sdsu has to be on the list. The American isn't the conference they rejected years ago.

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I’m all for western expansion if it ultimately means that we all make more money.

Western expansion could also help us lock up the Access Bowl birth every season; it could also possibly lock up a spot in the playoffs, should they ever expand.

Unlike some, I think that we could expand for all sports and not just for football. Adding two-four all sport members from the MWC and BYU would work.
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Western expansion doesn't make sense, and Aresco has said they aren't going to do it. Does anyone think SDSU is going to want to fly their basketball team to Connecticut and Tampa every week?
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(11-23-2018 03:09 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  Western expansion doesn't make sense, and Aresco has said they aren't going to do it. Does anyone think SDSU is going to want to fly their basketball team to Connecticut and Tampa every week?

Well they could put their hoops in the Big West. Big West has a bunch of small Cali schools...I suppose it would be rough for them playing in high school gyms but if Fresno, BYU and Boise were in there with them..that’s 4 nice big arenas to add to the league.
By the way, I’m happy with the AAC current configuration. It’s a fun what if though
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(11-23-2018 03:09 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  Western expansion doesn't make sense, and Aresco has said they aren't going to do it. Does anyone think SDSU is going to want to fly their basketball team to Connecticut and Tampa every week?
If theyre getting a pay raise to 8-10 million per year they may not care. The MWC deal is awful.

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