(04-21-2015 03:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I do not think it's a good idea.

But what did you expect? One cannot oppress a group of people for over 2 centuries without suffering the consequences.

I thought you guys read the Bible?

That verse is reflective of individual parents/children, and nothing to do race and ethnicity. It is about individual sin. You totally swung and missed.

(04-21-2015 03:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I am of the opinion that it is fine. Let these folks separate themselves. It's time to stop fighting people to get them to hang out with you.

If I was a parent or a student in this I'd tell them to go.

Whatever happened to just letting idiots be idiots, make your judgment, take note, and move on.

Why do we always turn around and fight over this?

I don't disagree, necessarily. If it will do some good, and they are not doing at some expense or neglect of the white students or some other group, then fine have at it. Not gonna change my life or the other kids, maybe it does change the attendees to some degree.

BUT, it's pointing out the nekkit hypocrisy of the whole thing that gets the reaction. If we honky's (as a group) are told with vigorous outrage that we are not allowed to do A, or B, or C because of some perceived harm to others, then they should fully expect the same faux outrage in return.

Its the professionally and perpetually Oooooffended that set the table for this kind of crap, now they're getting a little of it right back in their faces.

(04-21-2015 03:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I am of the opinion that it is fine. Let these folks separate themselves. It's time to stop fighting people to get them to hang out with you.

If I was a parent or a student in this I'd tell them to go.

Whatever happened to just letting idiots be idiots, make your judgment, take note, and move on.

Why do we always turn around and fight over this?

I don't disagree, necessarily. If it will do some good, and they are not doing at some expense or neglect of the white students or some other group, then fine have at it. Not gonna change my life or the other kids, maybe it does change the attendees to some degree.

BUT, it's pointing out the nekkit hypocrisy of the whole thing that gets the reaction. If we honky's (as a group) are told with vigorous outrage that we are not allowed to do A, or B, or C because of some perceived harm to others, then they should fully expect the same faux outrage in return.

Its the professionally and perpetually Oooooffended that set the table for this kind of crap, now they're getting a little of it right back in their faces.

I agree.

Of course it is hypocrisy. But, that's reflective of those who actually believe that lunatic crap. Let them show everybody what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

The sooner folks do that the sooner we can write off the whole delusional ideology that thinks unfairness is creating fairness.

(04-21-2015 03:53 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:46 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:01 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 02:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Read Numbers 14:18

Yep, I still have nothing to do with it.

That doesn't mean however that you won't suffer the consequences for it.

The former slaves did nothing to justfy being enslaved but that didn't stop it from happening did it?

If Ben Affleck isn't responsible for his slave owning ancestors (as everyone agreed in that thread) then neither do any of the rest of us.
BTW My ancestors weren't even in America. They were still in Ireland being persecuted by the English.
Please explain why I carry any responsibility or should suffer any consequences?

Because you get the benefits.

We all benefit from the labors of those who went before us. We owe them nothing as those who follow us will benefit from our labors.

I'm not against directing children's experiences based on their demographic risk factors, but I think using race as a blunt tool isn't really the best option here. Maybe have it available to kids who would be the first to attend college in their families? I don't know if that'd work either, though, from a legal perspective.

(04-21-2015 03:46 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:01 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 02:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 02:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Pretty sure neither myself nor my child had anything to do with that.

Read Numbers 14:18

Yep, I still have nothing to do with it.

That doesn't mean however that you won't suffer the consequences for it.

The former slaves did nothing to justfy being enslaved but that didn't stop it from happening did it?

If Ben Affleck isn't responsible for his slave owning ancestors (as everyone agreed in that thread) then neither are any of the rest of us.
BTW My ancestors weren't even in America. They were still in Ireland being persecuted by the English.
Please explain why I carry any responsibility or should suffer any consequences?

I never said you carry any responsibility or that you should suffer any consequences.

I am simply saying that you WILL suffer consequences for slavery.

(04-21-2015 04:08 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'm not against directing children's experiences based on their demographic risk factors, but I think using race as a blunt tool isn't really the best option here. Maybe have it available to kids who would be the first to attend college in their families? I don't know if that'd work either, though, from a legal perspective.

Under "privileged" kids? Fine with me. Kids from the local inner-city Baptist Church youth group? Fine with me.

Use a 'distinction" like that instead of the blunt tool of skin color, I agree. Poor kids of all races and varying pigments could probably benefit from visiting successful college kids and hearing their stories, take 'em all.

First mistake was setting up an office like this in the first place.

(04-21-2015 04:16 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 04:08 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'm not against directing children's experiences based on their demographic risk factors, but I think using race as a blunt tool isn't really the best option here. Maybe have it available to kids who would be the first to attend college in their families? I don't know if that'd work either, though, from a legal perspective.

Under "privileged" kids? Fine with me. Kids from the local city Baptist Church youth group? Fine with me.

Use a 'distinction" like that instead of the blunt tool of skin color, I agree. Poor kids of all races and varying pigments could probably benefit from visiting successful college kids and hearing their stories, take 'em all.

First mistake was setting up an office like this in the first place.

Funny how people didn't have a problem with those kinds of distinctions for 300 years but now it's unacceptable?

(04-21-2015 04:06 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:53 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:46 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:01 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Yep, I still have nothing to do with it.

That doesn't mean however that you won't suffer the consequences for it.

The former slaves did nothing to justfy being enslaved but that didn't stop it from happening did it?

If Ben Affleck isn't responsible for his slave owning ancestors (as everyone agreed in that thread) then neither do any of the rest of us.
BTW My ancestors weren't even in America. They were still in Ireland being persecuted by the English.
Please explain why I carry any responsibility or should suffer any consequences?

Because you get the benefits.

We all benefit from the labors of those who went before us. We owe them nothing as those who follow us will benefit from our labors.

And benefit from the discrimination of others.

(04-21-2015 04:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:46 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:01 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 02:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Read Numbers 14:18

Yep, I still have nothing to do with it.

That doesn't mean however that you won't suffer the consequences for it.

The former slaves did nothing to justfy being enslaved but that didn't stop it from happening did it?

If Ben Affleck isn't responsible for his slave owning ancestors (as everyone agreed in that thread) then neither are any of the rest of us.
BTW My ancestors weren't even in America. They were still in Ireland being persecuted by the English.
Please explain why I carry any responsibility or should suffer any consequences?

I never said you carry any responsibility or that you should suffer any consequences.

I am simply saying that you WILL suffer consequences for slavery.

And exactly how many of these white ids in South Bend, IN had ancestors that benefited from slavery?

My first problem is that a school system even has an "African American/Student parent director" in the first place. What a bunch of horseschit.

This is simply a waste of valuable education time for 3rd graders.

This is not a good time to be white in America.

(04-21-2015 04:19 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 04:16 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 04:08 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I'm not against directing children's experiences based on their demographic risk factors, but I think using race as a blunt tool isn't really the best option here. Maybe have it available to kids who would be the first to attend college in their families? I don't know if that'd work either, though, from a legal perspective.

Under "privileged" kids? Fine with me. Kids from the local city Baptist Church youth group? Fine with me.

Use a 'distinction" like that instead of the blunt tool of skin color, I agree. Poor kids of all races and varying pigments could probably benefit from visiting successful college kids and hearing their stories, take 'em all.

First mistake was setting up an office like this in the first place.

Funny how people didn't have a problem with those kinds of distinctions for 300 years but now it's unacceptable?

The vast majority of white people thought slavery was wrong, so they abolished it. Fit you have benefited greatly from European colonization you should appreciate those white people who got on boats, left everything behind and built a great Country.

Your culture, language, religion came from Europe. You do not bark at the moon and run around in a loin cloth because of the white man.

(04-21-2015 05:22 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  This is not a good time to be white in America.

Always a good time to be white bro. Do you want to be a minority right now?

(04-21-2015 05:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 05:22 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  This is not a good time to be white in America.

Always a good time to be white bro. Do you want to be a minority right now?

Seriously, what is he talking about?

(04-21-2015 03:09 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:01 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 02:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 02:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 02:50 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It was for about 250 years.

Pretty sure neither myself nor my child had anything to do with that.

Read Numbers 14:18

Yep, I still have nothing to do with it.

That doesn't mean however that you won't suffer the consequences for it.

The former slaves did nothing to justfy being enslaved but that didn't stop it from happening did it?

This is laughable. I only answer to my actions.

I also suffer zero consequences for the actions of those I have zero relation with.

Hey, here's a concept: Get over it and move on with your life. Stop worrying about the past.

Why didn't they take all of the kids? I mean really, it's not that hard...what is it? An extra bus? And Fit continues to be a proponent of discrimination, segregation and oppression of anyone and their children who is more successful than he, not surprising.

(04-21-2015 05:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 05:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 05:22 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  This is not a good time to be white in America.

Always a good time to be white bro. Do you want to be a minority right now?

Seriously, what is he talking about?

Not sure but it feels good white now.

(04-21-2015 05:37 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 05:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 05:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 05:22 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  This is not a good time to be white in America.

Always a good time to be white bro. Do you want to be a minority right now?

Seriously, what is he talking about?

Not sure but it feels good white liberal now.

FIFY

(04-21-2015 02:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't know how I feel about this really. I don't have a problem looking at societal trends and trying to stave off those which lead to negative societal outcomes, but it is racism.

I agree, but they can't have it both ways. Either all are included or the trip doesn't hapen.