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RE: How Tom Herman, Chad Morris are building Houston, SMU
Both made excellent hires, imo, especially Houston.
04-23-2015 06:17 PM
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Houston is definitely the easier job due to the much shorter distance between current form and ceiling. Get the attitude problem under control and a few more recruits per class and they are well on the way. SMU takes more patience, planning, coordination, and time. Having said that, SMU has a higher ceiling. And from all the tangibles and intangibles so far, I think SMU has the coach that can see himself there in a decade. Not a knock on Herman, just pretty sure he will step up if the chance is right.
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RE: How Tom Herman, Chad Morris are building Houston, SMU
SMU could have had either-they were also No. 1 and No. 2 on my preference list too but SMU made the right choice
04-23-2015 06:52 PM
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(04-23-2015 06:51 PM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  Houston is definitely the easier job due to the much shorter distance between current form and ceiling. Get the attitude problem under control and a few more recruits per class and they are well on the way. SMU takes more patience, planning, coordination, and time. Having said that, SMU has a higher ceiling. And from all the tangibles and intangibles so far, I think SMU has the coach that can see himself there in a decade. Not a knock on Herman, just pretty sure he will step up if the chance is right.

How does SMU have the higher ceiling-Just curious? They are a small private school compared to UH, the third largest public school in the state of Texas.

Sure, SMU has some big donors but Tilman Fertitta, worth billions, has made it one of his priorities to elevate the University of Houston and the UH athletics program.

On the move up to a P5....The Big 12 already added a small private school in the Metroplex so the odds that SMU gets added to the Big 12 are pretty slim. The University of Houston, on the other hand, represents a huge public school with a huge alumni base IN Houston, in a market the Big 12 has lost market share.

The PAC might consider SMU because of the market size but the "Methodist" in its name makes it unlikely. Not impossible but name another religious school in the PAC.

The way I see it...the University of Houston has the higher ceiling in a almost every category. The University of Houston is an easier job, as you mention, because UH has been building for 10+ years now.
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(04-23-2015 06:51 PM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  Houston is definitely the easier job due to the much shorter distance between current form and ceiling. Get the attitude problem under control and a few more recruits per class and they are well on the way. SMU takes more patience, planning, coordination, and time. Having said that, SMU has a higher ceiling. And from all the tangibles and intangibles so far, I think SMU has the coach that can see himself there in a decade. Not a knock on Herman, just pretty sure he will step up if the chance is right.

there wasnt an attitude problem, attitude problems dont get solved in 1 day....

i honestly think herman wanted an attidute problem so he could have been stricter, his advice from meyer when taking the job (which he said in an interview) was to be hard and harsh when he starts and demand their respect, and then ease it up that its easier to go from hard to nice than from a nice coach to a coach they fear/respect if the time comes for that...

a few minority missed some manditory breakfast (team eats together), some tutoring, and some offseason meetings, nothing actually major ...sbut he chained up the doors and had them do 5am workouts, the first day they didnt do to well (probably because they werent used 5am workouts) the next day, they all show up, all finished the excersises perfectly and he unchained them in 1day
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(04-23-2015 06:51 PM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  Houston is definitely the easier job due to the much shorter distance between current form and ceiling. Get the attitude problem under control and a few more recruits per class and they are well on the way. SMU takes more patience, planning, coordination, and time. Having said that, SMU has a higher ceiling. And from all the tangibles and intangibles so far, I think SMU has the coach that can see himself there in a decade. Not a knock on Herman, just pretty sure he will step up if the chance is right.

also not sure how smu has a highe ceiling, smu is a private school, with another major power team down the road

houston in a public school with 40k students, no other major power team actually in our city, a top 4 populated/recruiting city, with the city name on our jersey..look at this year to see our potential, we are currently the favorite to land a consensus 5star top 10 national player because he wants to stay home, imagine what we'd be in a power league..

smu's highest ceiling is modern day football (where you cant buy sucess) its current baylor or tcu right now in a power league..houston cieiling is miami in the early 2000's or pitt in th 80's in a power league if we border up the city

and herman and morris will both leave if a power team like ohio state comes calling, dont kid yourself ..herman will leave first because houston is built to win right away and will have more teams offering sooner.....whatever longterm coach talk promise morris has made to you, im certain herman has made to us
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How Tom Herman, Chad Morris are building Houston, SMU
Both of you don't realize Houston and SMU are pitching themselves to conferences as a package deal like crazy
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(04-23-2015 09:34 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Both of you don't realize Houston and SMU are pitching themselves to conferences as a package deal like crazy

Actually, that's not entirely true.

In the Big 12 we are really only pitching ourselves and would probably NOT want SMU to join with us. They already have TCU but if any AAC entered the B12 with us I'm thinking our administration would want it to be Cincinnati, not SMU. I agree.

UH to the Big 12 is really starting to gain steam. Our President reportedly walked into a class this week and informed everyone that she expects it to happen in less than 2 years. Oh, and she will be in Austin next week for more "meetings". Also, Fertitta, one of the richest people in Texas, has made it known that he expects us in the Big 12 sooner than later.

Let's see if the smoke leads to a fire.

As for the PAC- true, we are pitching ourselves along with SMU as a Texas pair. But that's just because it would get them the state of Texas and IN the two largest markets but for all we know we could be also asking Texas Tech...or Rice...or maybe even Tulane to act as a partner.

Whatever it is, I can ensure you that the administration at the University of Houston is hustling to get this done and soon!
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(04-23-2015 09:34 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Both of you don't realize Houston and SMU are pitching themselves to conferences as a package deal like crazy

heard that the belt is interested
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i think Pac is too big an academic snob to allow Houston. Also don think that the big 12 wants either UH or SMU, and it is a joke for UH to think they can apply political pressure on this situation. That ship sailed a bunch of years ago. You are interesting to the networks of you are out of luck in this game.
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(04-27-2015 11:48 PM)gostangs Wrote:  i think Pac is too big an academic snob to allow Houston. Also don think that the big 12 wants either UH or SMU, and it is a joke for UH to think they can apply political pressure on this situation. That ship sailed a bunch of years ago. You are interesting to the networks of you are out of luck in this game.

It less about political pressure and more about creating political allies for UT. UT just fought a huge battle with the governor mansion and lost. The Houston area delegation wields a lot of legislative power these days and Renu does have their ear on many higher education issues. As for undesirable to the P5 and being out of luck---you are wrong. We are much higher up on the "next up" list than many believe. Pony94 is a way more tuned in than yourself. I'll just leave it at that.
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(04-27-2015 11:48 PM)gostangs Wrote:  i think Pac is too big an academic snob to allow Houston. Also don think that the big 12 wants either UH or SMU, and it is a joke for UH to think they can apply political pressure on this situation. That ship sailed a bunch of years ago. You are interesting to the networks of you are out of luck in this game.

houston is that academically far from certain pac12 school like ASU. and have the same academic prolife as a large research university like most schools in there leaguue . and ASU/arizona are the members they recently added, their commish has talked about expansion numeous times, its about tv sets, and that what they care about

and they have said they really want to get into texas
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(04-21-2015 05:30 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  "For three straight years Houston led the nation in total offense, averaging 437 yards a game in 1966, 427 in 1967, and 562 in 1968. The 1968 total was an NCAA record at the time. Houston also led the nation in scoring with 42.5 points per game that year."


So, get out of here with that "par" and "play at that level" BS

Ok...what do stats that are almost 50 years ago have to do with football today?

Obviously not much.

Heck, UCF, who has Back-to-Back Conf Titles...plus a recent BCS Win over Baylor, didn't even open their doors to their first class till Oct 1968.

50 years is ancient...and doesn't mean much in today's football world.
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