(04-21-2015 03:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  But there is a very clear difference.

There are those on the right in this forum who speak in favor of the far right wing agenda.

On the contrary. No one on the left speaks in favor of the far left wing agenda.

Yet those on the right continuously attribute those on the left with far left agenda.

I think many conservatives on this board would consider expanding the government to be the hallmark of the far left. Also included in that would be advocating for irrational environmental policies and the slandering of those who disagree with typical liberal positions (misogynists, racist etc.) It's matter of perspective.

I have yet to see a thread that supports expanding the government.

But I have seen many, many threads about the evils of gay marriage.

UCF08 supports single payer, which is gov't expansion. Others have started posts that advocate for more funding for K-12, College to be free, taxes levied on production, tariffs on manufactured goods and penalties for off shoring Corporate HQ's. I and many conservatives consider such measures as gov't expansion.

But are those really far left policies?

I've known many moderates that support many of the things you just posted.

Far-left politics or extreme-left politics are left-wing politics that are further to the left than mainstream centre-left politics. The far left seeks equality of outcome and the dismantlement of all forms of social stratification.[1] Far leftists seek to abolish all forms of hierarchy, particularly the inequitable distribution of wealth and power.[1] The far left seeks a society in which everyone is provided equal economic and social opportunities, and no one has excessive wealth or power over others.[1]

The far left typically believes that inegalitarian systems must be overthrown through revolution in order to establish egalitarian societies, while the centre left works within the system to achieve egalitarianism.[1] In societies that tolerate dissent, far-left groups usually participate in the democratic process to advance their goals.[2] The far left demands radical changes to dismantle unequal societies, including confiscation of wealth that is concentrated in a small elite, and redistribution of that wealth in an egalitarian manner.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics

Far-right politics or extreme-right politics are right-wing politics to the right of the mainstream centre right on the traditional left-right spectrum. They often involve a focus on tradition as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. They tend to include disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social inequality and social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism. The terms are commonly used to describe fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views.[1] Some far-right movements, such as the Nazis, have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority or their alleged threat to the nation or state.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics


Compare these two and tell me who on this forum advocates one or the other more.

Like UCF, I also support some expansions. However, I also want some regressions to match the expansions. Can't speak for UCF, but I would guess he feels the same way.

I have to say, I probably would have shot the guy.

The officer is a pretty good guy.

(04-21-2015 04:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I have to say, I probably would have shot the guy.

The officer is a pretty good guy.

I don't know if I would have. I've never been the person to throw the first punch in a fight, though I have ended a few with a little more force than necessary. I am glad that he responded that way, though, and I wish we'd start crowdfunding people for things like this instead of whether or not your pizza shop will serve gay weddings or whatever.

I don't know, I just wish society would do better at not only bringing light to the bad but also positively reinforcing the good.

(04-21-2015 04:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Like UCF, I also support some expansions. However, I also want some regressions to match the expansions. Can't speak for UCF, but I would guess he feels the same way.

Exactly.

I have always been in favor of reducing the defense. But that's just me because I'm a pinko commie.

(04-20-2015 05:13 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  I know the libs on here live to make posts condemning police. Thought I would post this to honor the courage of this officer...

Quote:An Ohio police officer refused to shoot a charging suspect even as he begged for the officer to take his life.

The officer's decision not to fire at a man accused of double murder, who was pleading for him to follow through with his "suicide by cop" plans, was captured on his bodycam video.

New Richmond Officer Jesse Kidder was called to follow a possibly armed suspect in an Ohio murder Thursday. Suddenly the suspect, identified by police as Michael Wilcox, got out of his car and started to charge at the cop.

"Law enforcement officers all across the nation have to deal with split-second decisions that mean life or death," Kidder told TV station WLWT. "I wanted to be absolutely sure before I used deadly force."

The body cam footage shows the terrifying scene as Kidder continues to order Wilcox, who later told authorities he was under the influence of multiple substances, to the ground but continues to walk straight at him. Kidder's gun is cocked, but instead of firing he decides to continue to back up on the empty road and wait for other officers to arrive.

"Get your hands up right now," Kidder screams. "Stop. Stop, right there. I don't want to shoot you man. I don't want to shoot you."

I wanted to be absolutely sure before I used deadly force.
The bodycam shows the suspect continuing to approach the officer with his hand in his pocket. Kidder continues to back up and orders the suspect again to stop.

Wilcox pleads for the officer to "shoot me" but Kidder refuses.

"No man, I'm not going to do it," the cop said.

Kidder told the station he was told the suspect might attempt suicide by cop and he kept his eyes on Wilcox's pocket.

The suspect eventually charges but Kidder again refuses to pull the trigger. The officer stumbles and falls backward but when he gets up the suspect finally complies.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/wa...-1.2190739

Great example of white privilege.

(04-21-2015 03:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:33 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 03:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 12:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  But there is a very clear difference.

There are those on the right in this forum who speak in favor of the far right wing agenda.

On the contrary. No one on the left speaks in favor of the far left wing agenda.

Yet those on the right continuously attribute those on the left with far left agenda.

I think many conservatives on this board would consider expanding the government to be the hallmark of the far left. Also included in that would be advocating for irrational environmental policies and the slandering of those who disagree with typical liberal positions (misogynists, racist etc.) It's matter of perspective.

I have yet to see a thread that supports expanding the government.

But I have seen many, many threads about the evils of gay marriage.

UCF08 supports single payer, which is gov't expansion. Others have started posts that advocate for more funding for K-12, College to be free, taxes levied on production, tariffs on manufactured goods and penalties for off shoring Corporate HQ's. I and many conservatives consider such measures as gov't expansion.

But are those really far left policies?

I've known many moderates that support many of the things you just posted.

Far-left politics or extreme-left politics are left-wing politics that are further to the left than mainstream centre-left politics. The far left seeks equality of outcome and the dismantlement of all forms of social stratification.[1] Far leftists seek to abolish all forms of hierarchy, particularly the inequitable distribution of wealth and power.[1] The far left seeks a society in which everyone is provided equal economic and social opportunities, and no one has excessive wealth or power over others.[1]

The far left typically believes that inegalitarian systems must be overthrown through revolution in order to establish egalitarian societies, while the centre left works within the system to achieve egalitarianism.[1] In societies that tolerate dissent, far-left groups usually participate in the democratic process to advance their goals.[2] The far left demands radical changes to dismantle unequal societies, including confiscation of wealth that is concentrated in a small elite, and redistribution of that wealth in an egalitarian manner.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics

Far-right politics or extreme-right politics are right-wing politics to the right of the mainstream centre right on the traditional left-right spectrum. They often involve a focus on tradition as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. They tend to include disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social inequality and social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism. The terms are commonly used to describe fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views.[1] Some far-right movements, such as the Nazis, have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority or their alleged threat to the nation or state.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics


Compare these two and tell me who on this forum advocates one or the other more.

You're not incorrect here, I was just saying that MSNBC isn't 'too left' for me politically or others like it was implied earlier. It's just a bad station that is the Fox of the left. Why anyone would get their news from either, unless they just want to be told what to think, is beyond me.

One good deed does not cancel out the bad ones. We all know that the Law Enforcement community has some house cleaning to do. Ill congratulate them fully when they stop protecting each other and rid their ranks of the dirty,violent members among them.

(04-21-2015 03:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  But are those really far left policies?

I've known many moderates that support many of the things you just posted.

Far-left politics or extreme-left politics are left-wing politics that are further to the left than mainstream centre-left politics. The far left seeks equality of outcome and the dismantlement of all forms of social stratification.[1] Far leftists seek to abolish all forms of hierarchy, particularly the inequitable distribution of wealth and power.[1] The far left seeks a society in which everyone is provided equal economic and social opportunities, and no one has excessive wealth or power over others.[1]

The far left typically believes that inegalitarian systems must be overthrown through revolution in order to establish egalitarian societies, while the centre left works within the system to achieve egalitarianism.[1] In societies that tolerate dissent, far-left groups usually participate in the democratic process to advance their goals.[2] The far left demands radical changes to dismantle unequal societies, including confiscation of wealth that is concentrated in a small elite, and redistribution of that wealth in an egalitarian manner.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics

Far-right politics or extreme-right politics are right-wing politics to the right of the mainstream centre right on the traditional left-right spectrum. They often involve a focus on tradition as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. They tend to include disregard or disdain for egalitarianism, if not overt support for social inequality and social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism. The terms are commonly used to describe fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views.[1] Some far-right movements, such as the Nazis, have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority or their alleged threat to the nation or state.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics


Compare these two and tell me who on this forum advocates one or the other more.

In respect to the bolded, isn't the desired tool the affect such changes the gov't of sufficient scope and power. Now on a thread count basis, we seem to talk a lot about homosexuality in the Spin Room an inordinate amount. Many are posted by conservatives regarding keeping the traditional definition of marriage. Others are threads are about states that have progressed towards marriage equality.

As far as your definition goes, there are some exceptions that muddy the waters. In your quote regarding far right tenets, it states that they are against socialism, yet will sometimes resort to mass killings of enemies of the state. Where would that put Stalin, Mao, the Khmer Rouge and Ho Chi Mihn?

(04-21-2015 04:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 04:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Like UCF, I also support some expansions. However, I also want some regressions to match the expansions. Can't speak for UCF, but I would guess he feels the same way.

Exactly.

I have always been in favor of reducing the defense. But that's just me because I'm a pinko commie.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a smaller military. It's a conversation that many hawks like myself are more than happy to have. But taking that money and transferring to other social programs isn't shirking the government.