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You have Houston,Tulane,South Florida,Central Florida,East Carolina and U Conn great baseball programs in the AAC. Double and triple the games on CBS Sports in the next year or two Aresco. Get SMU to startup a baseball program.
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(04-29-2015 07:26 AM)Savacool Wrote:  You have Houston,Tulane,South Florida,Central Florida,East Carolina and U Conn great baseball programs in the AAC. Double and triple the games on CBS Sports in the next year or two Aresco. Get SMU to startup a baseball program.

...and Memphis. Cincinnati will be better next year.
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(04-28-2015 09:52 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What I like about this contract is that the AAC is establishing that their is value in our baseball. This can only help us in the next round of negotiations. We currenty make around $22 million a year total from our TV contract but thats not what is exciting.

Has anyone ever REALLY looked at our contract against the rest of the G5?

There is ONE other that is "close" to us and thats the MWC. They have a deal which pays them roughly $18 million a year BUT look at the exposure.

These numbers show the income and number of games on national TV or national broadcast. I included the CBS sublicensing that we got also. The MWC ended up getting a bit more under a sub licensing deal, but it wasnt significant.

MWC .......... AAC
$18 mill ......... $22 mill
22 football ......... ALL home games, plus CBS games and select games (roughly 75 last year)
25 basketball ......... 100+ games
10 W Bball ......... 60 W Bball

We also saw several soccer games on ESPN and now were getting baseball too, which the MWC is basically getting no covereage outside of some local broadcasts.

Whats also not mentioned in there is that out of the MWC 22 football games is that 6 were Boise States home games. So 11 teams had to split the other 16.

(given, deals have minor changes and these numbers may not be exact to what happened, but they are what was reported in the contracts)

My whole point to this is simple, we are 4 years away from renegotiating our TV contract and ESPN does have a history of trying to secure contracts a year or two early. Looking at the exposure and then the success of the league who do you think will end up with the better contract?

Out of all the G5 we have had more success at basketball, football, womens basketball, soccer, and now I think baseball we will end up better too. As much as this conference is ridiculed, I think the exposure is really helping and in the end we will end up significantly ahead of the rest of the G5 come 2019. We just need to continue to make deep runs in all sports.

Pretty sure your MW televised football numbers are wrong. CBS-Sports has thier primary contract, but ESPN shows almost as many games as CBS-Sports. Currently, the MW already has about 44 televised games announced for 2015 between CBS-Sports and ESPN with 3 more weeks worth of games yet to be determined. They also get regional coverage from Root Sports and Hawaii games are televised under a some sort of pay-per-view arrangement (that's why Hawaii gets no football tv money from the MW). Thier football coverage isn't that different. That said, thier basketball coverage is WAY different.
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(04-29-2015 10:09 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-28-2015 09:52 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What I like about this contract is that the AAC is establishing that their is value in our baseball. This can only help us in the next round of negotiations. We currenty make around $22 million a year total from our TV contract but thats not what is exciting.

Has anyone ever REALLY looked at our contract against the rest of the G5?

There is ONE other that is "close" to us and thats the MWC. They have a deal which pays them roughly $18 million a year BUT look at the exposure.

These numbers show the income and number of games on national TV or national broadcast. I included the CBS sublicensing that we got also. The MWC ended up getting a bit more under a sub licensing deal, but it wasnt significant.

MWC .......... AAC
$18 mill ......... $22 mill
22 football ......... ALL home games, plus CBS games and select games (roughly 75 last year)
25 basketball ......... 100+ games
10 W Bball ......... 60 W Bball

We also saw several soccer games on ESPN and now were getting baseball too, which the MWC is basically getting no covereage outside of some local broadcasts.

Whats also not mentioned in there is that out of the MWC 22 football games is that 6 were Boise States home games. So 11 teams had to split the other 16.

(given, deals have minor changes and these numbers may not be exact to what happened, but they are what was reported in the contracts)

My whole point to this is simple, we are 4 years away from renegotiating our TV contract and ESPN does have a history of trying to secure contracts a year or two early. Looking at the exposure and then the success of the league who do you think will end up with the better contract?

Out of all the G5 we have had more success at basketball, football, womens basketball, soccer, and now I think baseball we will end up better too. As much as this conference is ridiculed, I think the exposure is really helping and in the end we will end up significantly ahead of the rest of the G5 come 2019. We just need to continue to make deep runs in all sports.

Pretty sure your MW televised football numbers are wrong. CBS-Sports has thier primary contract, but ESPN shows almost as many games as CBS-Sports. Currently, the MW already has about 44 televised games announced for 2015 between CBS-Sports and ESPN with 3 more weeks worth of games yet to be determined. They also get regional coverage from Root Sports and Hawaii games are televised under a some sort of pay-per-view arrangement (that's why Hawaii gets no football tv money from the MW). Thier football coverage isn't that different. That said, thier basketball coverage is WAY different.

ESPN is their primary rights holder along with CBS, essentially a joint bid that ESPN gets to cherry pick. They signed them at the end of 2013. It may be a bit low because ESPN sold rights to some football games but most are on regional CBS channels whereas We got about 30 more on nationwide channels.

The amount of coverage we got was WAY higher than the MWC AND we also get much better time slots. I was talking to one SDSU fan who mentioned that nearly a third of all their televised games came on after most of the east coast had gone to bed.

We got paid like crap but ultimately we have gotten way more exposure than any conference...and maybe more then our next two conferences combined.
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(04-29-2015 11:42 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 10:09 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-28-2015 09:52 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  What I like about this contract is that the AAC is establishing that their is value in our baseball. This can only help us in the next round of negotiations. We currenty make around $22 million a year total from our TV contract but thats not what is exciting.

Has anyone ever REALLY looked at our contract against the rest of the G5?

There is ONE other that is "close" to us and thats the MWC. They have a deal which pays them roughly $18 million a year BUT look at the exposure.

These numbers show the income and number of games on national TV or national broadcast. I included the CBS sublicensing that we got also. The MWC ended up getting a bit more under a sub licensing deal, but it wasnt significant.

MWC .......... AAC
$18 mill ......... $22 mill
22 football ......... ALL home games, plus CBS games and select games (roughly 75 last year)
25 basketball ......... 100+ games
10 W Bball ......... 60 W Bball

We also saw several soccer games on ESPN and now were getting baseball too, which the MWC is basically getting no covereage outside of some local broadcasts.

Whats also not mentioned in there is that out of the MWC 22 football games is that 6 were Boise States home games. So 11 teams had to split the other 16.

(given, deals have minor changes and these numbers may not be exact to what happened, but they are what was reported in the contracts)

My whole point to this is simple, we are 4 years away from renegotiating our TV contract and ESPN does have a history of trying to secure contracts a year or two early. Looking at the exposure and then the success of the league who do you think will end up with the better contract?

Out of all the G5 we have had more success at basketball, football, womens basketball, soccer, and now I think baseball we will end up better too. As much as this conference is ridiculed, I think the exposure is really helping and in the end we will end up significantly ahead of the rest of the G5 come 2019. We just need to continue to make deep runs in all sports.

Pretty sure your MW televised football numbers are wrong. CBS-Sports has thier primary contract, but ESPN shows almost as many games as CBS-Sports. Currently, the MW already has about 44 televised games announced for 2015 between CBS-Sports and ESPN with 3 more weeks worth of games yet to be determined. They also get regional coverage from Root Sports and Hawaii games are televised under a some sort of pay-per-view arrangement (that's why Hawaii gets no football tv money from the MW). Thier football coverage isn't that different. That said, thier basketball coverage is WAY different.

ESPN is their primary rights holder along with CBS, essentially a joint bid that ESPN gets to cherry pick. They signed them at the end of 2013. It may be a bit low because ESPN sold rights to some football games but most are on regional CBS channels whereas We got about 30 more on nationwide channels.

The amount of coverage we got was WAY higher than the MWC AND we also get much better time slots. I was talking to one SDSU fan who mentioned that nearly a third of all their televised games came on after most of the east coast had gone to bed.

We got paid like crap but ultimately we have gotten way more exposure than any conference...and maybe more then our next two conferences combined.

Actually, its the other way around. CBS-Sports is the primary rights holder. They get the first 10 picks from the MW schedule. Then CBS-Sports and ESPN alternate picks until they exhaust the number of games each has rights to. Additionally, the ESPN has the right to swap one game with CBS-Sports.
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hmm, you may be right. I am totally going off memory but I had thought it was ESPN.

Either way, a ton of the MWC games are on CBS sports crappy channel that has little coverage and then many times it is at time slots after 9 pm EST.

Our contract sucks in pay but is on par with ACC level exposure. Now that Soccer and Baseball is also getting coverage, I think the tide is turning for the American. We are slowly positioning as the 6th conference. That wont mean riches but will be better then the rest and probably by a decent amount.
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(04-29-2015 07:36 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  hmm, you may be right. I am totally going off memory but I had thought it was ESPN.

Either way, a ton of the MWC games are on CBS sports crappy channel that has little coverage and then many times it is at time slots after 9 pm EST.

Our contract sucks in pay but is on par with ACC level exposure. Now that Soccer and Baseball is also getting coverage, I think the tide is turning for the American. We are slowly positioning as the 6th conference. That wont mean riches but will be better then the rest and probably by a decent amount.

Agree. We have more football games on national TV, and our basketball coverage is unrivaled in the G5.
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The AAC is currently ranked number 3 in baseball behind Sec number one and ACC number two. With the quality of all our baseball programs growing including Houston,Tulane,Central,Florida,South Florida,East Carolina, U Conn,Memphis and Cincinnati we will be number two soon. I hope CBS Sports wakes up and extends next year the contract to thirty games a year.
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30?!?!? 03-lmfao
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(05-01-2015 05:04 PM)Savacool Wrote:  The AAC is currently ranked number 3 in baseball behind Sec number one and ACC number two. With the quality of all our baseball programs growing including Houston,Tulane,Central,Florida,South Florida,East Carolina, U Conn,Memphis and Cincinnati we will be number two soon. I hope CBS Sports wakes up and extends next year the contract to thirty games a year.

I don't see us jumping the SEC or ACC in baseball. being #3 is hard to believe in itself.
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(05-01-2015 05:04 PM)Savacool Wrote:  The AAC is currently ranked number 3 in baseball behind Sec number one and ACC number two. With the quality of all our baseball programs growing including Houston,Tulane,Central,Florida,South Florida,East Carolina, U Conn,Memphis and Cincinnati we will be number two soon. I hope CBS Sports wakes up and extends next year the contract to thirty games a year.

Getting zero teams into the Super Regionals might cool that claim down a bit, though. About the AAC being the third strongest conference.

The AAC performed well this year, but more work is to be done. Especially if the Big Ten's banner year is not a fluke.
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(06-04-2015 07:05 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 05:04 PM)Savacool Wrote:  The AAC is currently ranked number 3 in baseball behind Sec number one and ACC number two. With the quality of all our baseball programs growing including Houston,Tulane,Central,Florida,South Florida,East Carolina, U Conn,Memphis and Cincinnati we will be number two soon. I hope CBS Sports wakes up and extends next year the contract to thirty games a year.

Getting zero teams into the Super Regionals might cool that claim down a bit, though. About the AAC being the third strongest conference.

The AAC performed well this year, but more work is to be done. Especially if the Big Ten's banner year is not a fluke.

Not really. It just means we didn't have one spectacular team. We had a lot of very good teams. In the last 2 weeks of conference play, we literally had 7 of our 8 teams still in contention for an at large NCAA slot. That's pretty a solid baseball conference. Half the league (4 teams) made the tournament.

Making the Super Regional says more about that individual team than it does the league it plays in. I think our highest ranked team was #21 in the polls (though much higher in RPI)---so not making a Super Regional is not really all that much of a shocker.
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(06-04-2015 07:05 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 05:04 PM)Savacool Wrote:  The AAC is currently ranked number 3 in baseball behind Sec number one and ACC number two. With the quality of all our baseball programs growing including Houston,Tulane,Central,Florida,South Florida,East Carolina, U Conn,Memphis and Cincinnati we will be number two soon. I hope CBS Sports wakes up and extends next year the contract to thirty games a year.

Getting zero teams into the Super Regionals might cool that claim down a bit, though. About the AAC being the third strongest conference.

The AAC performed well this year, but more work is to be done. Especially if the Big Ten's banner year is not a fluke.

Big Ten has the benefit of weak regions and paths to Omaha. Every time we play those jokers we get wins. Average ECU baseball team this year, look for us to be a legitimate threat for Omaha next year.
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B1G's path is so much easier than say ECU's. If ECU doesn't host were shipped to UVA, UNC, or USC-E. If ECU does host, one of them is shipped to us. If say Rutgers hosts they get like all the northeast single bid conference winners.


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I don't think not having a team in the Supers this year should be used to say our #3 ranking as a conference was a fluke, we all knew we had 6 or 7 really good teams, but no GREAT teams this year.

UH would have been a legit top 10 team if we would have finished the year with the same team we started with, but we just couldn't overcome so many injuries to so many key players. Our best two players by the end of the year were both true freshmen, who likely wouldn't have even been in a position to play this year had it not been for those injuries, so we are stronger for it. Credit to UL-L for taking it to us (and Rice), and I wish them the best of luck at The Box.

Looking to next year, depending on how we both survive the draft, UH and ECU should both start in the top 15-20. I wouldn't be surprised if one of Tulane, USF, Memphis, and UCF were in the top 35, as well, with the rest receiving votes.

Edit: I just noticed Attackcoog already responded with this exact same take.
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When There Were No More Games to Play
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The AAC needs SMU to add baseball. Texas is a hot bed and their team would eventually be equal to Rice top ranked with the right head coach.
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