(04-21-2015 08:40 AM)pesik Wrote:  no offense to ecu or ucf but all their p5 need to be moved to punchers chance not either way..on paper both are rebuilding

I think there is a really good chance we will favored at home against Va Tech. All these games are nail biters.

MEMPHIS should take Kansas up in Lawrence. The Mississippi game will be tough. The Rebels lost a good chunk of their offense but return most of their defense. The TIGERS are just the opposite in that 8 defensive starters must be replaced but the offense pretty much returns intact with a bit more experience and new firepower. From a schedule perspective, October 17 is better for MEMPHIS. The TIGERS play USF on Friday, October 2 and then enjoy their bye week; 15 days off . The Rebels will play the SEC schedule (Auburn and A&M, I think) before MEMPHIS. The game is at the Liberty Bowl, so the crowd will be 55,000+.

(04-21-2015 10:05 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 08:40 AM)pesik Wrote:  no offense to ecu or ucf but all their p5 need to be moved to punchers chance not either way..on paper both are rebuilding

I don't disagree with you at all. Even if we weren't rebuilding the best we could manage against perennial powers in power 5 conferences would be even.

I do disagree that this is necessarily a rebuilding year. We're still not at 100% and the win total and conference championship was a pleasant surprise from last year, but I would argue that we were rebuilding more than this year, if not in quantity.

The reason I say this, is that UCF has always had a strong defense under O'Leary. We don't rebuild on defense, we really do reload. Will there be some growing pains? Absolutely. But replacing the back 7, in my mind, isn't as disastrous as replacing the most productive O-Line, QB, and RB that we were doing last year.

The WR's might be cause for concern, but if what I've seen from the QB-WR connection in spring practice is true, Holman might have gained just enough in the offseason to mitigate some WR losses. IF the O-line can coalesce and make some holes for the running game, we will be back in the championship game conversation. We will know whether that's the case or not very early in the season.

This is my view. great post. Holman still looks a little "streaky" to me...he really started slow in the Spring Game...

(04-20-2015 07:33 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Which football game is the biggest this Fall? Which AAC team can make the biggest splash? Which one has the best chance to win?

Here is the list of big-time non-conference games (from AmericanRx: Big Non-Conference Games 2015):

Week #1
Duke @ Tulane (THU)
Baylor @ SMU (FRI)
Penn St @ Temple

Week #2
C. Florida @ Stanford
E. Carolina @ Florida
Houston @ Louisville
Memphis @ Kansas
S. Florida @ Florida St
Tulane @ Ga Tech

Week #3
UConn @ Missouri
USF @ Maryland
SMU @ TCU
Tulsa @ Oklahoma

Week #4
UCF @ S Carolina
Va Tech @ E. Carolina

Week #5
Miami @ Cincinnati (THU)
UConn @ BYU (FRI)

Week #6
E. Carolina @ BYU
Navy @ Notre Dame
Syracuse @ USF

Week #7
Cincinnati @ BYU
Ole Miss @ Memphis

Week #9
Vanderbilt @ Houston
Notre Dame @ Temple

"Only" a little over 4 months to go...

So 7 ACC opponents. 4 SEC. 1 Pac12. 3 Big 10, 4 Big 12, 3 games against BYU, 2 games against Notre Dame.

I am pretty impressed 24 games against P5. I would love to pick up at least 4 wins against the ACC. They are closest to being our peers. We need to consistantly beat the ACC.

(04-20-2015 03:29 PM)No Bull Wrote:  here are the games we have a decent shot at winning.

Memphis @ Kansas
Vanderbilt @ Houston
Virginia Tech @ East Carolina
Miami @ Cincinnati
East Carolina @ BYU
Syracuse @ USF
Cincinnati @ BYU

I'd put Penn State@Temple on the "decent shot" list. Maybe Ole Miss@Memphis, but I feel less optimistic about that one.

USF has a better than puncher's shot at beating Maryland. USF and Maryland played last year and it was basically an even game. USF was up 17-14 in the 4th quarter, when Maryland blocked a punt and returned it for a TD and ended up winning by 1 score.

(04-20-2015 01:40 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  AAC are clear favorites:

Memphis @ Kansas
Vanderbilt @ Houston

Games that could go either way:

Penn State @ Temple
UCF @ Stanford
East Carolina @ Florida
Houston @ Louisville
UCF @ South Carolina
Virginia Tech @ East Carolina
Miami @ Cincinnati
East Carolina @ BYU
Syracuse @ USF
Cincinnati @ BYU

Games we have a puncher's chance of winning:

USF @ Maryland
Ole Miss @ Memphis
Notre Dame @ Temple
UConn @ BYU

Games we have virtually no chance of winning:

Duke @ Tulane
Baylor @ SMU
USF @ Florida State
Tulane @ Georgia Tech
UConn @ Missouri
SMU @ TCU
Tulsa @ Oklahoma
Navy @ Notre Dame

The ABSOLUTE best I could see our conference doing against P5's/BYU/Notre Dame is 7-17. I would be very happy with that. I think it's looking pretty grim though...

I'd move USF/Maryland to could go either way, seeing how when they played just this past year, it could have gone either way, and USF would have probably won, had Maryland not blocked a punt and returned it for a TD late in the 4th quarter.

I have no clue why everyone thinks Houston will just walk all over Vandy. They were bad last season, but they were undergoing a coaching change, and should be improved. Coach Herman hasn't won anything yet. Not saying it ain't winnable as we should be clicking by then, but nothing is ever guaranteed with UH no matter who is coaching.

(04-24-2015 02:42 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  I have no clue why everyone thinks Houston will just walk all over Vandy. They were bad last season, but they were undergoing a coaching change, and should be improved. Coach Herman hasn't won anything yet. Not saying it ain't winnable as we should be clicking by then, but nothing is ever guaranteed with UH no matter who is coaching.

and improved vandy will still be horrible, and also they will be going threw a coaching change again as their coach fired every every single assitant on the team and hired a bunch of new ones...
you are giving vandy credit simply becuase "power 5" but they werent very good last year ..they had 3 wins, all fcs or fcs trasition, the fcs barly lost by 1 point, and umass barely lost by a posession (umass was horrrible last year)

dont get me wrong, i think vandy will be much improved, but even a much improved vandy we should still be a favorite to win

(04-24-2015 02:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF has a better than puncher's shot at beating Maryland. USF and Maryland played last year and it was basically an even game. USF was up 17-14 in the 4th quarter, when Maryland blocked a punt and returned it for a TD and ended up winning by 1 score.

they had 6 turnovers and still won, that game isnt an indication of any reason next years game being close, that game showed they could hav every single thing go wrong and still win, that wont be the case next year

you cant just look at the score, like duke blew out tulane "score wise" but i think tulane has a legit shot to beat them, becuase tulane actually matched dukes offesnive yards and was moving the ball on them easily but they just kept having silly turnovers ..the game was actuallymore respectable than the score..

and despite the close score with maryland, id pick maryland, maryland on paper is rebulding that why id say a puncher chance and they will be majority new starters ..but usf isnt exactly a team thats knocking of middling p5 teams

(04-24-2015 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 02:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF has a better than puncher's shot at beating Maryland. USF and Maryland played last year and it was basically an even game. USF was up 17-14 in the 4th quarter, when Maryland blocked a punt and returned it for a TD and ended up winning by 1 score.

they had 6 turnovers and still won, that game isnt an indication of any reason next years game being close, that game showed they could hav every single thing go wrong and still win, that wont be the case next year

you cant just look at the score, like duke blew out tulane "score wise" but i think tulane has a legit shot to beat them, becuase tulane actually matched dukes offesnive yards and was moving the ball on them easily but they just kept having silly turnovers ..the game was actuallymore respectable than the score..

and despite the close score with maryland, id pick maryland, maryland on paper is rebulding that why id say a puncher chance and they will be majority new starters ..but usf isnt exactly a team thats knocking of middling p5 teams

Yes, they had a bunch of turnovers, which I might add, USF caused. So what. USF caused a bunch of TO's in that game. So go beyond that and look at the stats. Yardage was with 60 yards of each other for both teams. First downs was 17 to 16. Any stat you look at was close. Who cares how it happened. It was a tossup game...FACT. Whether you look at yardage, first downs, whatever, it was close all the way around. A game USF actually should have won if not for a boneheaded special teams error.

Here's the box score so you can show me how superior Maryland was over USF according to the stats. That one extra first down really put them over the top.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400547654

(04-24-2015 03:28 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 02:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF has a better than puncher's shot at beating Maryland. USF and Maryland played last year and it was basically an even game. USF was up 17-14 in the 4th quarter, when Maryland blocked a punt and returned it for a TD and ended up winning by 1 score.

they had 6 turnovers and still won, that game isnt an indication of any reason next years game being close, that game showed they could hav every single thing go wrong and still win, that wont be the case next year

you cant just look at the score, like duke blew out tulane "score wise" but i think tulane has a legit shot to beat them, becuase tulane actually matched dukes offesnive yards and was moving the ball on them easily but they just kept having silly turnovers ..the game was actuallymore respectable than the score..

and despite the close score with maryland, id pick maryland, maryland on paper is rebulding that why id say a puncher chance and they will be majority new starters ..but usf isnt exactly a team thats knocking of middling p5 teams

Yes, they had a bunch of turnovers, which I might add, USF caused. So what. USF caused a bunch of TO's in that game. So go beyond that and look at the stats. Yardage was with 60 yards of each other for both teams. First downs was 17 to 16. Any stat you look at was close. Who cares how it happened. It was a tossup game...FACT. Whether you look at yardage, first downs, whatever, it was close all the way around. A game USF actually should have won if not for a boneheaded special teams error.

Here's the box score so you can show me how superior Maryland was over USF according to the stats. That one extra first down really put them over the top.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400547654

USF was in it the whole game, but never had momentum to win it. USF battled hard but you could tell it's one of those games where Maryland wasn't going to run away with..but USF probably wasn't going to win. I think this was the game where the fullback wnet out on a long route and dropped a sure TD pass that could have swung the momentum USF's way.

(04-24-2015 03:36 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:28 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 02:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF has a better than puncher's shot at beating Maryland. USF and Maryland played last year and it was basically an even game. USF was up 17-14 in the 4th quarter, when Maryland blocked a punt and returned it for a TD and ended up winning by 1 score.

they had 6 turnovers and still won, that game isnt an indication of any reason next years game being close, that game showed they could hav every single thing go wrong and still win, that wont be the case next year

you cant just look at the score, like duke blew out tulane "score wise" but i think tulane has a legit shot to beat them, becuase tulane actually matched dukes offesnive yards and was moving the ball on them easily but they just kept having silly turnovers ..the game was actuallymore respectable than the score..

and despite the close score with maryland, id pick maryland, maryland on paper is rebulding that why id say a puncher chance and they will be majority new starters ..but usf isnt exactly a team thats knocking of middling p5 teams

Yes, they had a bunch of turnovers, which I might add, USF caused. So what. USF caused a bunch of TO's in that game. So go beyond that and look at the stats. Yardage was with 60 yards of each other for both teams. First downs was 17 to 16. Any stat you look at was close. Who cares how it happened. It was a tossup game...FACT. Whether you look at yardage, first downs, whatever, it was close all the way around. A game USF actually should have won if not for a boneheaded special teams error.

Here's the box score so you can show me how superior Maryland was over USF according to the stats. That one extra first down really put them over the top.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400547654

UCF was in it the whole game, but never had momentum to win it. USF battled hard but you could tell it's one of those games where Maryland wasn't going to run away with..but USF probably wasn't going to win. I think this was the game where the fullback wnet out on a long route and dropped a sure TD pass that could have swung the momentum USF's way.

Yeah, I can't remember all the details, but I actually thought USF was going to win the game going into 4th quarter ahead. Then when Maryland blocked the punt, I thought here we go again, and they did hold on to win. That was the difference in the game along with that dropped TD if that was the game it happened...can't remember exactly all the details. But just looking at the stats other than TO's everything was pretty even.

(04-24-2015 03:40 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:36 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:28 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 02:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF has a better than puncher's shot at beating Maryland. USF and Maryland played last year and it was basically an even game. USF was up 17-14 in the 4th quarter, when Maryland blocked a punt and returned it for a TD and ended up winning by 1 score.

they had 6 turnovers and still won, that game isnt an indication of any reason next years game being close, that game showed they could hav every single thing go wrong and still win, that wont be the case next year

you cant just look at the score, like duke blew out tulane "score wise" but i think tulane has a legit shot to beat them, becuase tulane actually matched dukes offesnive yards and was moving the ball on them easily but they just kept having silly turnovers ..the game was actuallymore respectable than the score..

and despite the close score with maryland, id pick maryland, maryland on paper is rebulding that why id say a puncher chance and they will be majority new starters ..but usf isnt exactly a team thats knocking of middling p5 teams

Yes, they had a bunch of turnovers, which I might add, USF caused. So what. USF caused a bunch of TO's in that game. So go beyond that and look at the stats. Yardage was with 60 yards of each other for both teams. First downs was 17 to 16. Any stat you look at was close. Who cares how it happened. It was a tossup game...FACT. Whether you look at yardage, first downs, whatever, it was close all the way around. A game USF actually should have won if not for a boneheaded special teams error.

Here's the box score so you can show me how superior Maryland was over USF according to the stats. That one extra first down really put them over the top.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400547654

UCF was in it the whole game, but never had momentum to win it. USF battled hard but you could tell it's one of those games where Maryland wasn't going to run away with..but USF probably wasn't going to win. I think this was the game where the fullback wnet out on a long route and dropped a sure TD pass that could have swung the momentum USF's way.

Yeah, I can't remember all the details, but I actually thought USF was going to win the game going into 4th quarter ahead. Then when Maryland blocked the punt, I thought here we go again, and they did hold on to win. That was the difference in the game along with that dropped TD if that was the game it happened...can't remember exactly all the details. But just looking at the stats other than TO's everything was pretty even.

One of several games USF could of won if the passing game was a little better and the offense had a few more sustained drives.

BullsFanInTX they had 6 turnvers you only had 1 and they still won, i dont need to look at the stats i watched the game ..maryland essantially handed you the game ..but you refused to take it

their defense was legitimately shuting you guys down ....while maryland didnt have great offensive stats because THEY TURNED THE BALL OVER 6 TIMES... and neither of you are uptempo teams

and you can try and claim you forced the turnovers , 6 fumbled (4 recoverd)and 2ints ...but usf wasnt a team that regularly caused turnovers so you cant even act like this was a normal thing for usf and they are just good at creating turnovers...and if you watch the replay all the fumbles were incidental, meaning they were just regular hits that the the ball happened to come out , they werent stripped..

i know you are a supper usf guy why you have made excuses out the wazzu for usf's struggles and somehow believed mike white was some kind of special qb

but if you remove the homer aspect of it. yes that specific game with those specific circumstances was a tossup, but once you remove those specific circumstances for that specifc game and evaluate for future match ups ..almost certainly maryland doesnt give up that many turnovers, if that game was played 100 times over, maryland probably wins 95 times and over 80 of the games would have be comfortable wins for maryland...

you had 1 game where you had a ridiuclous amount of turnovers, a stat you werent even close to replicating versus anyone else ..now because of the events that happened in that 1 off event, which you still ended up losing ..you think you are a toss up versus them?...thats like losing a game by 3, despite having 4 blocked punts (3 for tds) in your favor..and then thinking the next time you play them it will be toss up, like you can replacate that same incident..

maryland is rebuilding and graduated a lot, for that reason i think usf has a punchers chance if bench or flowers are somewhat legit...if maryland had a decent amount of returners id almost certainly pick maryland

(04-24-2015 03:40 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:36 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:28 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 02:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF has a better than puncher's shot at beating Maryland. USF and Maryland played last year and it was basically an even game. USF was up 17-14 in the 4th quarter, when Maryland blocked a punt and returned it for a TD and ended up winning by 1 score.

they had 6 turnovers and still won, that game isnt an indication of any reason next years game being close, that game showed they could hav every single thing go wrong and still win, that wont be the case next year

you cant just look at the score, like duke blew out tulane "score wise" but i think tulane has a legit shot to beat them, becuase tulane actually matched dukes offesnive yards and was moving the ball on them easily but they just kept having silly turnovers ..the game was actuallymore respectable than the score..

and despite the close score with maryland, id pick maryland, maryland on paper is rebulding that why id say a puncher chance and they will be majority new starters ..but usf isnt exactly a team thats knocking of middling p5 teams

Yes, they had a bunch of turnovers, which I might add, USF caused. So what. USF caused a bunch of TO's in that game. So go beyond that and look at the stats. Yardage was with 60 yards of each other for both teams. First downs was 17 to 16. Any stat you look at was close. Who cares how it happened. It was a tossup game...FACT. Whether you look at yardage, first downs, whatever, it was close all the way around. A game USF actually should have won if not for a boneheaded special teams error.

Here's the box score so you can show me how superior Maryland was over USF according to the stats. That one extra first down really put them over the top.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400547654

UCF was in it the whole game, but never had momentum to win it. USF battled hard but you could tell it's one of those games where Maryland wasn't going to run away with..but USF probably wasn't going to win. I think this was the game where the fullback wnet out on a long route and dropped a sure TD pass that could have swung the momentum USF's way.

Yeah, I can't remember all the details, but I actually thought USF was going to win the game going into 4th quarter ahead. Then when Maryland blocked the punt, I thought here we go again, and they did hold on to win. That was the difference in the game along with that dropped TD if that was the game it happened...can't remember exactly all the details. But just looking at the stats other than TO's everything was pretty even.

Fwiw I was routing for you guys to win

(04-24-2015 04:02 PM)pesik Wrote:  BullsFanInTX they had 6 turnvers you only had 1 and they still won, i dont need to look at the stats i watched the game ..maryland essantially handed you the game ..but you refused to take it

their defense was legitimately shuting you guys down ....while maryland didnt have great offensive stats because THEY TURNED THE BALL OVER 6 TIMES... and neither of you are uptempo teams

and you can try and claim you forced the turnovers , 6 fumbled (4 recoverd)and 2ints ...but usf wasnt a team that regularly caused turnovers so you cant even act like this was a normal thing for usf and they are just good at creating turnovers...and if you watch the replay all the fumbles were incidental, meaning they were just regular hits that the the ball happened to come out , they werent stripped..

i know you are a supper usf guy why you have made excuses out the wazzu for usf's struggles and somehow believed mike white was some kind of special qb

but if you remove the homer aspect of it. yes that specific game with those specific circumstances was a tossup, but once you remove those specific circumstances for that specifc game and evaluate for future match ups ..almost certainly maryland doesnt give up that many turnovers, if that game was played 100 times over, maryland probably wins 95 times and over 80 of the games would have be comfortable wins for maryland...

you had 1 game where you had a ridiuclous amount of turnovers, a stat you werent even close to replicating versus anyone else ..now because of the events that happened in that 1 off event, which you still ended up losing ..you think you are a toss up versus them?...thats like losing a game by 3, despite having 4 blocked punts (3 for tds) in your favor..and then thinking the next time you play them it will be toss up, like you can replacate that same incident..

maryland is rebuilding and graduated a lot, for that reason i think usf has a punchers chance if bench or flowers are somewhat legit...if maryland had a decent amount of returners id almost certainly pick maryland

(04-24-2015 02:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-24-2015 02:42 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  I have no clue why everyone thinks Houston will just walk all over Vandy. They were bad last season, but they were undergoing a coaching change, and should be improved. Coach Herman hasn't won anything yet. Not saying it ain't winnable as we should be clicking by then, but nothing is ever guaranteed with UH no matter who is coaching.

and improved vandy will still be horrible, and also they will be going threw a coaching change again as their coach fired every every single assitant on the team and hired a bunch of new ones...
you are giving vandy credit simply becuase "power 5" but they werent very good last year ..they had 3 wins, all fcs or fcs trasition, the fcs barly lost by 1 point, and umass barely lost by a posession (umass was horrrible last year)

dont get me wrong, i think vandy will be much improved, but even a much improved vandy we should still be a favorite to win

vandy is a dumpster fire, i mean they are flat out awful. houston by 21 plus.

(04-24-2015 04:02 PM)pesik Wrote:  BullsFanInTX they had 6 turnvers you only had 1 and they still won, i dont need to look at the stats i watched the game ..maryland essantially handed you the game ..but you refused to take it

their defense was legitimately shuting you guys down ....while maryland didnt have great offensive stats because THEY TURNED THE BALL OVER 6 TIMES... and neither of you are uptempo teams

and you can try and claim you forced the turnovers , 6 fumbled (4 recoverd)and 2ints ...but usf wasnt a team that regularly caused turnovers so you cant even act like this was a normal thing for usf and they are just good at creating turnovers...and if you watch the replay all the fumbles were incidental, meaning they were just regular hits that the the ball happened to come out , they werent stripped..

i know you are a supper usf guy why you have made excuses out the wazzu for usf's struggles and somehow believed mike white was some kind of special qb

but if you remove the homer aspect of it. yes that specific game with those specific circumstances was a tossup, but once you remove those specific circumstances for that specifc game and evaluate for future match ups ..almost certainly maryland doesnt give up that many turnovers, if that game was played 100 times over, maryland probably wins 95 times and over 80 of the games would have be comfortable wins for maryland...

you had 1 game where you had a ridiuclous amount of turnovers, a stat you werent even close to replicating versus anyone else ..now because of the events that happened in that 1 off event, which you still ended up losing ..you think you are a toss up versus them?...thats like losing a game by 3, despite having 4 blocked punts (3 for tds) in your favor..and then thinking the next time you play them it will be toss up, like you can replacate that same incident..

maryland is rebuilding and graduated a lot, for that reason i think usf has a punchers chance if bench or flowers are somewhat legit...if maryland had a decent amount of returners id almost certainly pick maryland

You really honestly believe that Maryland would win 95 out of 100. LOL. I'll give you credit for hanging on to an anti USF view in the same way I have a pro USF view. I'm not going to go point by point and try to change your mind. I'll just say this. USF usually recruits as well as Maryland in the recruiting rankings. Look them up for the past 5 years. Maryland is usually around #50 recruiting. Maryland doesn't have more talent. Forget about the patch on the jersey. But your going to believe what you want to believe. I saw with my own eyes last year. If Md is better than USF it is only marginally so not 95 out of 100 better. Maryland is no Ohio State just because they sewed a new big ten patch on thier jerseys. Sometimes I really think people get enamored with a conference patch on jerseys.

LOL anti-usf??? lol get in line....im anti everything on this board...

i gave an honest analysis, all because it doesnt align with your extreme USF homer view doesnt mean im anti usf...ive actually been high on usf for a bottom team, and said numeorus times that i think usf would almost be an instant turn around in a year or 2 under a new coach if he was good, like auburn was when they hired malzahn

and to rebutt your point you clearly havent been keeping up with maryland recruiting since they joined the big 10, the last 3 years they have out recruited usf ...you think im judging them for "big 10" which isnt true...youve judge them for a "maryalnd" and shown absolutely no analysis of their team, it is you who are judging them for being "maryland" who isnt a football power....you shown almost no analysis of the team beyond the scorre was close... one they out recruited you (that is a fact, maryland averages 45 the last few season usf averages 58), 2 they were a bowl team, no othey werent ohio state, but you dont need to be ohio state to be beat USF (no insult just the truth)..they didnt lose to a single team under 8 wins, all losses had final top 25 votes....they beat penn state, michigan and though not old psu/michigan those teams would have crushed USF.. maryland wasnt great but theyd have been a 9+ win team in this league last year.

you really are missing the point that a team with a -5 turonver margin in 1 game has almost statisically zero percent chance of winning and they did ...they had there worst possible game they could have and still won ..you have somehow turned it into a positive and signs for the future ..SMH

now remove your extreme homer glasses (i know its hard) and only noticing when anyone says anything bad about USF, and go to the first page ..i clearly wrote i thought USF /syracuse was the 4th most likely game we had a chance to win....usf has more talent than syracuse and with decent qb play i think usf has a legitimate chance to win that game