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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
Yeah, Seton Hall and DePaul are really stellar. Right now there are two ranked teams in the conference. We had 5 and played a top 10 team OOC. St. John's' OOC schedule is also terrible. Cuse should be decent, but not a Cuse team of old. Vandy is #18, could definitely be better, but also wouldn't surprise me to see them completely fall apart. South Carolina is trash. Wagner, UMBC, Rutgers, Fordham, St Francis, Niagara, NJIT, UIW? You can tell St. John's is just trying to pick up wins.

Towson went 25-11 and finished a game behind Delaware in the CAA. Kent, LaSalle, and TSU were average teams. The bottom of the AAC sucked, but top to bottom, we still had a much tougher schedule, and did so with only 7 scholarship players.
11-05-2015 02:55 PM
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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
(11-05-2015 02:55 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  Yeah, Seton Hall and DePaul are really stellar. Right now there are two ranked teams in the conference. We had 5 and played a top 10 team OOC. St. John's' OOC schedule is also terrible. Cuse should be decent, but not a Cuse team of old. Vandy is #18, could definitely be better, but also wouldn't surprise me to see them completely fall apart. South Carolina is trash. Wagner, UMBC, Rutgers, Fordham, St Francis, Niagara, NJIT, UIW? You can tell St. John's is just trying to pick up wins.

Towson went 25-11 and finished a game behind Delaware in the CAA. Kent, LaSalle, and TSU were average teams. The bottom of the AAC sucked, but top to bottom, we still had a much tougher schedule, and did so with only 7 scholarship players.

You had 4 tourney teams. So stop with the 5 ranked teams- because that really didn't matter. SMU didn't make the tourney.

Big East could have 5-6 tourney teams depending on how things play out. And teams 7-9 will be top 100-125 teams. No dogs like what the AAC had that year.

Sorry- but Temple 2014 and St John's 2016 are very similar situations.
11-05-2015 03:03 PM
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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
SMU got shafted just like we did.
11-05-2015 03:13 PM
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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
just looking.....
Temple played 16 top 100 RPI teams that year. 15 non top 100 rpi teams.

played 6 top 100 teams OOC:
#5 Villanova
#30 St Joe's
#35 Texas
#71 Georgia
#75 Clemson
#88 La Salle

had 5 games in the top 200 or worse in conference play- 3 vs #211 UCF and 2 vs #232 USF. Also 2 with #184 Rutgers. Sorry- but that's just not happening with St John's.
11-05-2015 03:14 PM
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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
(11-05-2015 03:13 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  SMU got shafted just like we did.

Temple got shafted much more than SMU did...

SMU was #52 RPI 2 years ago. That's bubble big time....

SMU had 3 losses to teams 140 or worse.
#141 Houston
#170 Temple
#232 USF

only had 10 top 100 games- going 4-6 in those 10.

You play a garbage OOC schedule(#288) you are in trouble.
11-05-2015 03:16 PM
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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
wow- just saw this from John Gassaway from ESPN:
Least experience returning from last season (possession-minutes):
St. John’s (5%)
Liberty (15%)
Kentucky (16%)
Boston College (16%)

I'd be curious in recent history how St John's matches up for least minutes coming back....
11-06-2015 06:05 PM
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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
It's very difficult to win when you rely so heavily on freshmen, unless it's the type of class Duke and Kentucky normally bring in. Although even Kentucky a few years back had that great freshman class and still got knocked out in the first round of the NIT by Robert Morris. St. Johns has gone from last year, where they pretty much played the entire season with 6 guys , to this year where there's zero experience. I am curious to see how they play with Lovett in the lineup assuming he's eligible.
11-06-2015 11:47 PM
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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
(11-05-2015 02:55 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  Yeah, Seton Hall and DePaul are really stellar. Right now there are two ranked teams in the conference. We had 5 and played a top 10 team OOC. St. John's' OOC schedule is also terrible. Cuse should be decent, but not a Cuse team of old. Vandy is #18, could definitely be better, but also wouldn't surprise me to see them completely fall apart. South Carolina is trash. Wagner, UMBC, Rutgers, Fordham, St Francis, Niagara, NJIT, UIW? You can tell St. John's is just trying to pick up wins.

Towson went 25-11 and finished a game behind Delaware in the CAA. Kent, LaSalle, and TSU were average teams. The bottom of the AAC sucked, but top to bottom, we still had a much tougher schedule, and did so with only 7 scholarship players.

I'll bet you that when the end of the season rolls around St.Johns SOS will be ranked higher than Temples. And I recognize that Temple normally schedules a challenging schedule, but there's still plenty of dogs both in and out of conference that will drag it down.
11-06-2015 11:54 PM
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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
(11-06-2015 11:47 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  It's very difficult to win when you rely so heavily on freshmen, unless it's the type of class Duke and Kentucky normally bring in. Although even Kentucky a few years back had that great freshman class and still got knocked out in the first round of the NIT by Robert Morris. St. Johns has gone from last year, where they pretty much played the entire season with 6 guys , to this year where there's zero experience. I am curious to see how they play with Lovett in the lineup assuming he's eligible.

yeah, that'll be interesting to see if Lovett gets eligible. But even if he does- I don't know how much better that makes everyone. If St John's could finish as good as Marquette was last year- that'd be an incredible season IMO.
11-07-2015 12:01 AM
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RE: Big Day for St John's on Monday
(11-06-2015 11:54 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(11-05-2015 02:55 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  Yeah, Seton Hall and DePaul are really stellar. Right now there are two ranked teams in the conference. We had 5 and played a top 10 team OOC. St. John's' OOC schedule is also terrible. Cuse should be decent, but not a Cuse team of old. Vandy is #18, could definitely be better, but also wouldn't surprise me to see them completely fall apart. South Carolina is trash. Wagner, UMBC, Rutgers, Fordham, St Francis, Niagara, NJIT, UIW? You can tell St. John's is just trying to pick up wins.

Towson went 25-11 and finished a game behind Delaware in the CAA. Kent, LaSalle, and TSU were average teams. The bottom of the AAC sucked, but top to bottom, we still had a much tougher schedule, and did so with only 7 scholarship players.

I'll bet you that when the end of the season rolls around St.Johns SOS will be ranked higher than Temples. And I recognize that Temple normally schedules a challenging schedule, but there's still plenty of dogs both in and out of conference that will drag it down.

We were talking about Temple's year 2 years ago where they were so bad. My thought is that St John's SOS will be very similar to what Temple had 2 years ago. It's a very similar situation IMO.
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