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Realignment Just By the Numbers 2015
Here's where things stand for the SEC:
School Nat# / Attendance / Total Gross Revenue
3. Alabama / 101,534 / $143,776,550
6. Florida / 85,834 / $130,011,244
8. Louisiana St / 104,909 / $117,457,398
10. Tennessee / 95,584 / $111,579,779
13. Auburn / 87,451 / $103,680,609
14. Arkansas / 66,521 / $ 99,770,840
16. Georgia / 92,746 / $ 98,120,889
19. Kentucky / 57,572 / $ 95,720,724
21. Texas A&M / 105,123 / $ 93,957,906
25. South Car. / 82,401 / $ 90,484,422
35. Missouri / 65,285 / $ 76,306,889
36. Mississippi / 61,547 / $ 73,390,050
49. Miss State / 61,127 / $ 57,362,224

Stats provided by USA Today on Revenues and the Rankings Nationally among other Public Universities.

Most Profitable Football Conferences / figures given in millions / 2000-2013
1. SEC: $4,078.81
2. B1G: $2,870.89
3. XII: $1,574.40
4. P12: $1,311.98
5. ACC: $1,008.39

Data provided by Nerd Wallet

Based on the Public Schools Revenue data for 2014 the mean for the Big 10 was: $99,908,815. That was tops. The SEC's mean was $99,355,348 for second. The Big 12 was third in mean. The PAC and ACC are really close. The top half of the PAC earns more but the bottom half of the ACC earns more than the PAC.

The Mean attendance for the SEC in 2014-5 was the nations best: 78,706 up roughly 3,206 from last year. The second best attendance average belonged to the Big 10 which dropped significantly due to Rutgers and Maryland to 65,430.



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If the SEC wants to expand and wants to find schools that enhance their existing numbers (or at least don't hurt them) then here are our targets:

1. Texas / 93,332 / $165,691,486
7. Oklahoma / 89,343 / $123,805,661

Income hurts the average, but isn't bad / Attendance would drag us down / but they do add an in with DFW and a new state:

22. Okla. St. / 54,032 / $ 93,664,337

Markets would help our bottom line:

28. Virginia / 36,906 / $ 84,402,710
30. U.N.C. / 54,500 / $ 82,792,342
40. Va Tech / 61,983 / $ 70,030,484
43. N.C. St. / 55,414 / $ 67,481,639

Content would add some value:

24. Fl. St. / 81,805 / $ 91,382,441

Might add some market value under the right conditions:

33. W.V.U. / 59,161 / $ 77,706,698


So if you ask me about different realignment scenarios for the SEC options are relatively limited for schools that add to the bottom line in revenue and attendance.

Texas and Oklahoma would do that for us.

Oklahoma State would detract from the mean revenue of the Publics, and would detract from the mean attendance numbers, but would add markets.

North Carolina or N.C. State add to the market value of the conference but either would detract from the conference revenue mean (well as they stand now but that would go up once in the conference) and from the attendance mean.

Virginia or Virginia Tech would add to the market value but would also detract from the conference means. Virginia Tech less so in attendance and Virginia less so in revenue production.

West Virginia could hold some market value if needed as a substitute for #16.

Florida State would add value but more minimally than some of the others as a content addition. They are above the mean on attendance (78,706) but below the mean in revenue. ($99,355,348 for the publics. Vandy's 2014 numbers aren't available that I can find for revenue but I did find their 2014-5 attendance).

http://www.sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...n-14-years

http://www.thesportseconomist.com/2015/0...n-ratings/
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Looks like SEC and the B1G will have to fight it out for Texas and Oklahoma.
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Clearly, poaching UT and Oklahoma would likely be a death blow to the Big 12 as a P5 conference. So one question I would have is whether killing off the Big 12 is a goal of the SEC, or at least something they don't care about.

Another question for me is whether the SEC needs/wants even more powerful football teams in their western division. At some point, don't they just start knocking each other out of playoff contention?

And finally, I wonder if the SEC gave A&M any assurances that they wouldn't be tossed back into the same pond with UT.

I'm not really in touch with SEC sensibilities regarding realignment. How would SEC fans answer those questions?
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(04-19-2015 07:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  Clearly, poaching UT and Oklahoma would likely be a death blow to the Big 12 as a P5 conference. So one question I would have is whether killing off the Big 12 is a goal of the SEC, or at least something they don't care about.

Another question for me is whether the SEC needs/wants even more powerful football teams in their western division. At some point, don't they just start knocking each other out of playoff contention?

And finally, I wonder if the SEC gave A&M any assurances that they wouldn't be tossed back into the same pond with UT.

I'm not really in touch with SEC sensibilities regarding realignment. How would SEC fans answer those questions?

It depends upon who you ask. 10th doesn't want the Horns. But, I'm not so sure that the rest of the A&M administration would be so adamantly against the inclusion of the Horns. Oklahoma is not an issue for anyone and many SEC fans would like to see the Sooners. But there is division on the issue of strength and direction. Auburn would love to see Texas and Oklahoma enter so that Alabama and Auburn would be forced to the East. Alabama would rather see a Virginia and North Carolina school and force Missouri to the West. Personally I think Missouri goes West either way. Clearly Oklahoma and Texas would be better for Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, and probably the Mississippi schools.

The way I see it the decisions will come down to these for the Longhorns and Sooners some day.

The money is essentially equal between the SEC and Big 10 and will likely stay that way. Does Texas and Oklahoma take the distance and cultural shift for the Academic prestige of the Big 10, or do they select to reunite with old rivals Arkansas, A&M, L.S.U., and Missouri while they stay together with OU?

OU is more obligated to FOX and Kansas is to ESPN but both for relatively equal amounts in T3. They could be swapped. Texas is much more obligated to ESPN. Both would add tremendous content value to the SEC. The Virginia and N.Carolina school would add much more market value. I'd say it's a push but that the football first cultures of Oklahoma and Texas would fit better with the SEC than the ACC schools would. I could get interesting between the SEC and Big 10, but I'm confident that ESPN and FOX would work that one out.
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(04-19-2015 08:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-19-2015 07:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  Clearly, poaching UT and Oklahoma would likely be a death blow to the Big 12 as a P5 conference. So one question I would have is whether killing off the Big 12 is a goal of the SEC, or at least something they don't care about.

Another question for me is whether the SEC needs/wants even more powerful football teams in their western division. At some point, don't they just start knocking each other out of playoff contention?

And finally, I wonder if the SEC gave A&M any assurances that they wouldn't be tossed back into the same pond with UT.

I'm not really in touch with SEC sensibilities regarding realignment. How would SEC fans answer those questions?

It depends upon who you ask. 10th doesn't want the Horns. But, I'm not so sure that the rest of the A&M administration would be so adamantly against the inclusion of the Horns. Oklahoma is not an issue for anyone and many SEC fans would like to see the Sooners. But there is division on the issue of strength and direction. Auburn would love to see Texas and Oklahoma enter so that Alabama and Auburn would be forced to the East. Alabama would rather see a Virginia and North Carolina school and force Missouri to the West. Personally I think Missouri goes West either way. Clearly Oklahoma and Texas would be better for Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, and probably the Mississippi schools.

The way I see it the decisions will come down to these for the Longhorns and Sooners some day.

The money is essentially equal between the SEC and Big 10 and will likely stay that way. Does Texas and Oklahoma take the distance and cultural shift for the Academic prestige of the Big 10, or do they select to reunite with old rivals Arkansas, A&M, L.S.U., and Missouri while they stay together with OU?

OU is more obligated to FOX and Kansas is to ESPN but both for relatively equal amounts in T3. They could be swapped. Texas is much more obligated to ESPN. Both would add tremendous content value to the SEC. The Virginia and N.Carolina school would add much more market value. I'd say it's a push but that the football first cultures of Oklahoma and Texas would fit better with the SEC than the ACC schools would. I could get interesting between the SEC and Big 10, but I'm confident that ESPN and FOX would work that one out.

Texas may be holding out for a partial from either the SEC or the B1G.
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(04-19-2015 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-19-2015 08:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-19-2015 07:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  Clearly, poaching UT and Oklahoma would likely be a death blow to the Big 12 as a P5 conference. So one question I would have is whether killing off the Big 12 is a goal of the SEC, or at least something they don't care about.

Another question for me is whether the SEC needs/wants even more powerful football teams in their western division. At some point, don't they just start knocking each other out of playoff contention?

And finally, I wonder if the SEC gave A&M any assurances that they wouldn't be tossed back into the same pond with UT.

I'm not really in touch with SEC sensibilities regarding realignment. How would SEC fans answer those questions?

It depends upon who you ask. 10th doesn't want the Horns. But, I'm not so sure that the rest of the A&M administration would be so adamantly against the inclusion of the Horns. Oklahoma is not an issue for anyone and many SEC fans would like to see the Sooners. But there is division on the issue of strength and direction. Auburn would love to see Texas and Oklahoma enter so that Alabama and Auburn would be forced to the East. Alabama would rather see a Virginia and North Carolina school and force Missouri to the West. Personally I think Missouri goes West either way. Clearly Oklahoma and Texas would be better for Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, and probably the Mississippi schools.

The way I see it the decisions will come down to these for the Longhorns and Sooners some day.

The money is essentially equal between the SEC and Big 10 and will likely stay that way. Does Texas and Oklahoma take the distance and cultural shift for the Academic prestige of the Big 10, or do they select to reunite with old rivals Arkansas, A&M, L.S.U., and Missouri while they stay together with OU?

OU is more obligated to FOX and Kansas is to ESPN but both for relatively equal amounts in T3. They could be swapped. Texas is much more obligated to ESPN. Both would add tremendous content value to the SEC. The Virginia and N.Carolina school would add much more market value. I'd say it's a push but that the football first cultures of Oklahoma and Texas would fit better with the SEC than the ACC schools would. I could get interesting between the SEC and Big 10, but I'm confident that ESPN and FOX would work that one out.

Texas may be holding out for a partial from either the SEC or the B1G.

Then they would be waiting a long long time on both accounts. I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC violating their harmony for the sake of one addition no matter who it is, Texas included.
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JR, I see the decisions and tradeoffs pretty much exactly the way you do. One of my questions that you didn't address was kind of an existential one. How does the SEC feel about the impact of poaching UT and Oklahoma on the future of the Big 12?

Would they consider devastating the Big 12 to be a strategic goal? Would they have an interest in preserving the Big 12 as a viable P5 conference? Or is it just something where they don't particularly care what happens to other 8 Big 12 schools?

For that matter, is preventing the Big Ten from making inroads into the southwest a strategic goal of the SEC? Or are they just as happy to have a strong Big Ten as a foil in the marketplace?
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A&M fans wouldn't be thrilled with adding OU to the SEC because more than anyone, our recruiting gains in Texas blue chips have been at OUs expense and having them in the SEC might hurt that new dynamic. However, I think that our admin wouldn't put up much of a fight over the Sooners since taking them (the school that IS B12 Football) would pretty much destroy the rest of the Big 12 and open up a ton of blue chip recruits for A&M and OU to split. Plus you have the major benefit of OU's Dallas fan base combined with A&M's and Arkansas' for a major presence in DFW.

UT...well as JR said, that's a nonstarter for all of us including our BORs who have no desire to share a conference with the horns again. Now that's just one "absolutely not" vote so by itself it means nothing and depends on if the other schools want UT as a conferencemate or not.

Finally, let's not forget politics. Neither the B1G or SEC will waste precious realignment slots on their including their little brothers who are dependent on them for a home. Can they break free of them? Would the PAC somehow agree to take OSU and TTU without either UT or OU?

No idea but I would bet the answer to both is "no"
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(04-19-2015 08:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-19-2015 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-19-2015 08:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-19-2015 07:59 PM)ken d Wrote:  Clearly, poaching UT and Oklahoma would likely be a death blow to the Big 12 as a P5 conference. So one question I would have is whether killing off the Big 12 is a goal of the SEC, or at least something they don't care about.

Another question for me is whether the SEC needs/wants even more powerful football teams in their western division. At some point, don't they just start knocking each other out of playoff contention?

And finally, I wonder if the SEC gave A&M any assurances that they wouldn't be tossed back into the same pond with UT.

I'm not really in touch with SEC sensibilities regarding realignment. How would SEC fans answer those questions?

It depends upon who you ask. 10th doesn't want the Horns. But, I'm not so sure that the rest of the A&M administration would be so adamantly against the inclusion of the Horns. Oklahoma is not an issue for anyone and many SEC fans would like to see the Sooners. But there is division on the issue of strength and direction. Auburn would love to see Texas and Oklahoma enter so that Alabama and Auburn would be forced to the East. Alabama would rather see a Virginia and North Carolina school and force Missouri to the West. Personally I think Missouri goes West either way. Clearly Oklahoma and Texas would be better for Arkansas, L.S.U., Missouri, and probably the Mississippi schools.

The way I see it the decisions will come down to these for the Longhorns and Sooners some day.

The money is essentially equal between the SEC and Big 10 and will likely stay that way. Does Texas and Oklahoma take the distance and cultural shift for the Academic prestige of the Big 10, or do they select to reunite with old rivals Arkansas, A&M, L.S.U., and Missouri while they stay together with OU?

OU is more obligated to FOX and Kansas is to ESPN but both for relatively equal amounts in T3. They could be swapped. Texas is much more obligated to ESPN. Both would add tremendous content value to the SEC. The Virginia and N.Carolina school would add much more market value. I'd say it's a push but that the football first cultures of Oklahoma and Texas would fit better with the SEC than the ACC schools would. I could get interesting between the SEC and Big 10, but I'm confident that ESPN and FOX would work that one out.

Texas may be holding out for a partial from either the SEC or the B1G.

Then they would be waiting a long long time on both accounts. I don't see either the Big 10 or SEC violating their harmony for the sake of one addition no matter who it is, Texas included.

Again I agree. Frankly, the only place I see Texas finding a place where they are wanted is in the ACC, whether as a full member or as an Indy with a scheduling commitment.

Actually, I think the Big Ten could help everybody out here. If they would take one for the team and invite Kansas and UConn, a lot of possibilities open up. Granted they would be adding only two small markets. On the other hand, they would be adding a lot of valuable hoops content to the BTN by putting two powerhouse teams on top of what they already have.

What dominoes fall next? I'd go with the market option for the SEC, taking Va Tech and NC State (because UNC and UVa are not coming for a lot of reasons). Now both the Big Ten and SEC are at 16, and the ACC is down to 12. That gives them the ability to go big in the southwest.

The ACC could then take Texas, Oklahoma, TCU and Baylor as a group, taking them to 16 full members. That would enable a rational pod scheduling model of 3-2-2-2 with everybody keeping the natural geographic rivals.

The final step is for the five remaining members of the Big 12, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and West Virginia to backfill. They add BYU and SMU (AAC) to their western division, and complete the eastern division with five more AAC schools: Cincinnati, Memphis, East Carolina, Central Florida and South Florida.

This conference would be only slightly weaker in football than the Big Ten, justifying their remaining a P5 conference and soothing wounded egos. No doubt they wouldn't be able to command anywhere near the TV contract the other P5's do, but it would be enough to be a lot better than any current G5 can. Maybe in the $8-10 million per team range. And it would be a pretty decent hoops conference as well - maybe a consistent four bid league - to help bolster league revenues.

But it all hinges on the B1G taking two weak sisters in football who are also in small markets. What are the odds of that?
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If the SEC wanted to make it interesting, they would make a play for WVU and TCU (for Dallas/FW/recruiting). Both would fit in well w/SEC. Considering that OU and OSU have made it clear they're not going to the SEC (same for Texas), you take out those two teams and what does the B12 do?

Add BYU and Colorado State?
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(04-20-2015 08:21 AM)ken d Wrote:  JR, I see the decisions and tradeoffs pretty much exactly the way you do. One of my questions that you didn't address was kind of an existential one. How does the SEC feel about the impact of poaching UT and Oklahoma on the future of the Big 12?

Would they consider devastating the Big 12 to be a strategic goal? Would they have an interest in preserving the Big 12 as a viable P5 conference? Or is it just something where they don't particularly care what happens to other 8 Big 12 schools?

For that matter, is preventing the Big Ten from making inroads into the southwest a strategic goal of the SEC? Or are they just as happy to have a strong Big Ten as a foil in the marketplace?
I think the SEC would simply see Oklahoma and any other strong Big 12 school (Texas, Kansas, West Virginia) a win for the SEC. Do they want to destroy the Big 12? I've never heard that as a goal. But, let's be realistic. If the PAC and Big 10, or even ACC help to absorb some or all of the other schools there still isn't a strong conference based in Texas which means that both A&M and the SEC win big as 10th suggests. If the PAC took them great! They really aren't an SEC rival and wouldn't even be if they took Big 12 schools. The Big 10, if they don't penetrate further South than Kansas nobody blinks an eye. If they grab Oklahoma then we think about what has happened to Nebraska and say "okay". But if they grabbed Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas I think that would be a concern, not a game changer, but a concern. We'd have to wait and see how Texas recruits felt about being associated with a predominantly Northern conference. It might not play so well in the Lone Star state and A&M might well be the big winner again. I think Texas knows that and that is why if the Big 12 goes away the Horns will either be in the ACC or SEC and having ESPN's blessing in that surely doesn't hurt either.
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(04-20-2015 10:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 08:21 AM)ken d Wrote:  JR, I see the decisions and tradeoffs pretty much exactly the way you do. One of my questions that you didn't address was kind of an existential one. How does the SEC feel about the impact of poaching UT and Oklahoma on the future of the Big 12?

Would they consider devastating the Big 12 to be a strategic goal? Would they have an interest in preserving the Big 12 as a viable P5 conference? Or is it just something where they don't particularly care what happens to other 8 Big 12 schools?

For that matter, is preventing the Big Ten from making inroads into the southwest a strategic goal of the SEC? Or are they just as happy to have a strong Big Ten as a foil in the marketplace?
I think the SEC would simply see Oklahoma and any other strong Big 12 school (Texas, Kansas, West Virginia) a win for the SEC. Do they want to destroy the Big 12? I've never heard that as a goal. But, let's be realistic. If the PAC and Big 10, or even ACC help to absorb some or all of the other schools there still isn't a strong conference based in Texas which means that both A&M and the SEC win big as 10th suggests. If the PAC took them great! They really aren't an SEC rival and wouldn't even be if they took Big 12 schools. The Big 10, if they don't penetrate further South than Kansas nobody blinks an eye. If they grab Oklahoma then we think about what has happened to Nebraska and say "okay". But if they grabbed Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas I think that would be a concern, not a game changer, but a concern. We'd have to wait and see how Texas recruits felt about being associated with a predominantly Northern conference. It might not play so well in the Lone Star state and A&M might well be the big winner again. I think Texas knows that and that is why if the Big 12 goes away the Horns will either be in the ACC or SEC and having ESPN's blessing in that surely doesn't hurt either.

How would you feel if ESPN proposed moving Va Tech and NC State to the SEC, making room for Texas, Oklahoma, TCU and Baylor to the ACC? That moves lets kids from Texas view UT and Oklahoma as still being in a southern conference. How does that affect A&M recruiting?

More important, what would be the chances that you could add that new and improved ACC to the SEC network and outflank the BTN?
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its hard to imagine a scenario politically where Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas find a new power conference home and KSU, OSU, ISU, TT amd Baylor are left stranded in a depleted Big 12.
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(04-20-2015 10:37 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 10:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 08:21 AM)ken d Wrote:  JR, I see the decisions and tradeoffs pretty much exactly the way you do. One of my questions that you didn't address was kind of an existential one. How does the SEC feel about the impact of poaching UT and Oklahoma on the future of the Big 12?

Would they consider devastating the Big 12 to be a strategic goal? Would they have an interest in preserving the Big 12 as a viable P5 conference? Or is it just something where they don't particularly care what happens to other 8 Big 12 schools?

For that matter, is preventing the Big Ten from making inroads into the southwest a strategic goal of the SEC? Or are they just as happy to have a strong Big Ten as a foil in the marketplace?
I think the SEC would simply see Oklahoma and any other strong Big 12 school (Texas, Kansas, West Virginia) a win for the SEC. Do they want to destroy the Big 12? I've never heard that as a goal. But, let's be realistic. If the PAC and Big 10, or even ACC help to absorb some or all of the other schools there still isn't a strong conference based in Texas which means that both A&M and the SEC win big as 10th suggests. If the PAC took them great! They really aren't an SEC rival and wouldn't even be if they took Big 12 schools. The Big 10, if they don't penetrate further South than Kansas nobody blinks an eye. If they grab Oklahoma then we think about what has happened to Nebraska and say "okay". But if they grabbed Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas I think that would be a concern, not a game changer, but a concern. We'd have to wait and see how Texas recruits felt about being associated with a predominantly Northern conference. It might not play so well in the Lone Star state and A&M might well be the big winner again. I think Texas knows that and that is why if the Big 12 goes away the Horns will either be in the ACC or SEC and having ESPN's blessing in that surely doesn't hurt either.

How would you feel if ESPN proposed moving Va Tech and NC State to the SEC, making room for Texas, Oklahoma, TCU and Baylor to the ACC? That moves lets kids from Texas view UT and Oklahoma as still being in a southern conference. How does that affect A&M recruiting?

More important, what would be the chances that you could add that new and improved ACC to the SEC network and outflank the BTN?

That's actually an interesting idea. Have the SEC take NCSU, VT, OkST, and KanST. 18 teams total. 3 divisions, 6 teams in each division.

Then merge the remaining BIG 12 and ACC into a 21 team conference with 3 divisions, 7 teams each.
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(04-20-2015 10:43 AM)goofus Wrote:  its hard to imagine a scenario politically where Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas find a new power conference home and KSU, OSU, ISU, TT and Baylor are left stranded in a depleted Big 12.

My scenario wouldn't strand Baylor, but it would strand the other four (plus Kansas if the Big ten didn't opt to pick them up). I guess I don't find it as difficult to imagine as you do. And it's easy to see West Virginia being stranded. The Big 12 would be greatly diminished, but not dead. As long as the other power conferences allow them to remain in the P5 club, with guaranteed access to the NY6 bowls, I think the political fallout could be mitigated.
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My suggestion in Post #12 would put a combined SECN/LHN network in 18 states with almost half of the US population. It would limit the BTN to less than one third of the US population, and would permanently block their access to the three markets they most covet - Texas, North Carolina and Virginia. It would put two very valuable national brands - Notre Dame and Texas - out of the Big Ten's reach.

I think ESPN might be interested in that. Especially if they can still get a piece of the BTN.
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(04-20-2015 10:43 AM)goofus Wrote:  its hard to imagine a scenario politically where Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas find a new power conference home and KSU, OSU, ISU, TT amd Baylor are left stranded in a depleted Big 12.

Texas Tech will be fine. We will have 70K(small by SEC standards but we are growing and will only get bigger) seats in the near future and a fan base that follows Texas Tech win or lose. Our facilities are good and only getting better. The size of our fan base alone will force us into realignment conversations. Throw in our improving academics and we definitely remain a P5 school.
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RE: Realignment Just By the Numbers 2015
(04-20-2015 10:06 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  If the SEC wanted to make it interesting, they would make a play for WVU and TCU (for Dallas/FW/recruiting). Both would fit in well w/SEC. Considering that OU and OSU have made it clear they're not going to the SEC (same for Texas), you take out those two teams and what does the B12 do?

That would actually weaken the SEC more than the Big 12. TCU and WVU would pull the SEC revenue model down more than the gap between them and any replacements would harm the Big 12.

SEC would have to lose its marbles to do this. 07-coffee3
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RE: Realignment Just By the Numbers 2015
(04-20-2015 10:37 AM)ken d Wrote:  How would you feel if ESPN proposed moving Va Tech and NC State to the SEC, making room for Texas, Oklahoma, TCU and Baylor to the ACC? That moves lets kids from Texas view UT and Oklahoma as still being in a southern conference. How does that affect A&M recruiting?

Why would the SEC be interested in taking two schools that would add nothing to their per-school revenue profile and lessen their football fan appeal in order that the ACC, it's direct competitor in the south, could become dramatically strengthened by the addition of two of the top 10 Blue-Chip football brand names? The SEC would have to be contemplating suicide to agree to that.

Among the schools that are currently in the ACC or Big 12, it is pointless for the SEC to add any but:

No brainers:

Texas
North Carolina
Oklahoma

Close calls but arguably:

Virginia
FSU

That's it. Everyone else clearly harms the SEC more than helps.
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RE: Realignment Just By the Numbers 2015
(04-20-2015 12:38 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  
(04-20-2015 10:43 AM)goofus Wrote:  its hard to imagine a scenario politically where Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas find a new power conference home and KSU, OSU, ISU, TT amd Baylor are left stranded in a depleted Big 12.

Texas Tech will be fine. We will have 70K(small by SEC standards but we are growing and will only get bigger) seats in the near future and a fan base that follows Texas Tech win or lose. Our facilities are good and only getting better. The size of our fan base alone will force us into realignment conversations. Throw in our improving academics and we definitely remain a P5 school.

If the Big 12 implodes, I think Texas Tech winds up in the Pac 12. I don't really see any other options unless they are attached to Texas.
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