Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 5h 5 hours ago
Bronco Mendenhall is meeting one-on-one with some local media members today...a couple of highlights from my session coming up.

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 5h 5 hours ago
I asked Bronco if he has in mind a time-frame window, re: BYU's window of opportunity, as it relates to making the jump to P5 status...

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 5h 5 hours ago
Bronco: "I hate to be pinned down, but if someone were to force me, I'd say three years. It has to happen within three."

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 5h 5 hours ago
Bronco: "Could it go longer than (three years)? Yes, it could. Is it desirable to me, to go longer than that? The answer is no."

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 5h 5 hours ago
As to any future conference-realignment shift, Bronco says "I still think there is one" coming.

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 5h 5 hours ago
Bronco says CFP-selection protocol/conf championship-game considerations, geographic/divisional additions could precipitate next shift.

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
Bronco: $$ increasingly becoming a driver in CFB; "unintentionally, I think we're kind of hurting the collective game of college football."

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
Bronco: "The intent was to promote the game (through additional revenue); I think it's going to backfire, is what I think."

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
"When two of the Big 3 (BYU, Utah, TCU) were taken to different conferences, to me it was not an option to stay. BYU had to move forward."

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
Bronco: "I absolutely think it was worth it. I think it was the right move at that time. Independence is more difficult than the MWC was."

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
Bronco re: upgraded schedules: "Independence was already challenging; it is now becoming more challenging. I welcome that; I want progress."

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
Bronco says P5s are getting "somewhere from 20 to 27 million dollars" annually, in TV revenue. "That is not what our contract is with ESPN."

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
Bronco: "At some point, (P5) inclusion has to happen...best way I know to do it is play our way in, and that's what I have chosen to do."

Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
Bronco, on BYU playing big names on big stages, says key Q becomes: "How long can you do that, without the same resources (as P5 programs)?

Desperate.

The issue is $$$...the one thing that does help them is that the ACC & SEC Count BYU as a P5 Opponent in regards to scheduling...

(04-18-2015 09:08 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
"When two of the Big 3 (BYU, Utah, TCU) were taken to different conferences, to me it was not an option to stay. BYU had to move forward."

This quote needs to be bookmarked for every message board poster who ever thinks that BYU is going to join the AAC or rejoin the MWC.

Once the Utes joined the Pac, BYU was either going to be a football indy or join a P5 conference. That's it.

(04-18-2015 04:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:08 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
"When two of the Big 3 (BYU, Utah, TCU) were taken to different conferences, to me it was not an option to stay. BYU had to move forward."

This quote needs to be bookmarked for every message board poster who ever thinks that BYU is going to join the AAC or rejoin the MWC.

Once the Utes joined the Pac, BYU was either going to be a football indy or join a P5 conference. That's it.

I am sure that was the thinking at the time, but Boise St has shown a school can swallow its pride and go back to the MWC, but still stick out from the other G5 schools. In hindsight, it may have been better for BYU to suck it up and stick with the MWC until that P5 invite comes. But I guess if BYU thought like that, they would already be in the Big 12.

(04-18-2015 04:22 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:08 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
"When two of the Big 3 (BYU, Utah, TCU) were taken to different conferences, to me it was not an option to stay. BYU had to move forward."

This quote needs to be bookmarked for every message board poster who ever thinks that BYU is going to join the AAC or rejoin the MWC.

Once the Utes joined the Pac, BYU was either going to be a football indy or join a P5 conference. That's it.

I am sure that was the thinking at the time, but Boise St has shown a school can swallow its pride and go back to the MWC, but still stick out from the other G5 schools. In hindsight, it may have been better for BYU to suck it up and stick with the MWC until that P5 invite comes. But I guess if BYU thought like that, they would already be in the Big 12.

Not the same. Football independence would be a far greater risk for Boise State, so it's not a viable option for them until/unless there is a greater number of indies out there. Boise had no place to go other than the MWC once everyone finally realized that the coast-to-coast Big East football idea was just a harebrained scheme with no pot of gold at the end.

BYU can be a football indy indefinitely because BYU has a base of support that will be there for them even if they have a couple of losing seasons in a row, whereas Boise's support is entirely dependent on consistent winning. And, Boise is a public university where, if they took the financial risk of going indy, at some point the money has to be accounted for, and the politicians who were too weasely to complain about coaches' salaries and other football spending when Boise was winning would pop up to showboat about "fiscal responsibility" as soon as the big winning stopped. At BYU, that's never a factor.

(04-18-2015 04:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:22 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:08 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
"When two of the Big 3 (BYU, Utah, TCU) were taken to different conferences, to me it was not an option to stay. BYU had to move forward."

This quote needs to be bookmarked for every message board poster who ever thinks that BYU is going to join the AAC or rejoin the MWC.

Once the Utes joined the Pac, BYU was either going to be a football indy or join a P5 conference. That's it.

I am sure that was the thinking at the time, but Boise St has shown a school can swallow its pride and go back to the MWC, but still stick out from the other G5 schools. In hindsight, it may have been better for BYU to suck it up and stick with the MWC until that P5 invite comes. But I guess if BYU thought like that, they would already be in the Big 12.

Not the same. Football independence would be a far greater risk for Boise State, so it's not a viable option for them until/unless there is a greater number of indies out there. Boise had no place to go other than the MWC once everyone finally realized that the coast-to-coast Big East football idea was just a harebrained scheme with no pot of gold at the end.

BYU can be a football indy indefinitely because BYU has a base of support that will be there for them even if they have a couple of losing seasons in a row, whereas Boise's support is entirely dependent on consistent winning. And, Boise is a public university where, if they took the financial risk of going indy, at some point the money has to be accounted for, and the politicians who were too weasely to complain about coaches' salaries and other football spending when Boise was winning would pop up to showboat about "fiscal responsibility" as soon as the big winning stopped. At BYU, that's never a factor.

Not to mention the dilemma of where to put basketball if Boise were to go independent in football. BYU at least had a good home for their other sports with the WCC.

(04-18-2015 05:17 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:22 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:08 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Greg Wrubell @gregwrubell · 4h 4 hours ago
"When two of the Big 3 (BYU, Utah, TCU) were taken to different conferences, to me it was not an option to stay. BYU had to move forward."

This quote needs to be bookmarked for every message board poster who ever thinks that BYU is going to join the AAC or rejoin the MWC.

Once the Utes joined the Pac, BYU was either going to be a football indy or join a P5 conference. That's it.

I am sure that was the thinking at the time, but Boise St has shown a school can swallow its pride and go back to the MWC, but still stick out from the other G5 schools. In hindsight, it may have been better for BYU to suck it up and stick with the MWC until that P5 invite comes. But I guess if BYU thought like that, they would already be in the Big 12.

Not the same. Football independence would be a far greater risk for Boise State, so it's not a viable option for them until/unless there is a greater number of indies out there. Boise had no place to go other than the MWC once everyone finally realized that the coast-to-coast Big East football idea was just a harebrained scheme with no pot of gold at the end.

BYU can be a football indy indefinitely because BYU has a base of support that will be there for them even if they have a couple of losing seasons in a row, whereas Boise's support is entirely dependent on consistent winning. And, Boise is a public university where, if they took the financial risk of going indy, at some point the money has to be accounted for, and the politicians who were too weasely to complain about coaches' salaries and other football spending when Boise was winning would pop up to showboat about "fiscal responsibility" as soon as the big winning stopped. At BYU, that's never a factor.

Not to mention the dilemma of where to put basketball if Boise were to go independent in football. BYU at least had a good home for their other sports with the WCC.

ok, I will concede that Boise and BYU are not the same. But based on BM's comments, he made it sound like BYU went independent out of stupid pride. But it sounds like once the decision was made, the BYU tribal elders said ok, but if we are doing this, this is no temporary thing, we will let it run its course before we pull the plug. whereas if they would have stuck in the MWC until the Big 12 became desperate, BYU could grabbed the Big 12 invite that went to TCU or WV without stupid pride getting in the way.

(04-18-2015 05:57 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 05:17 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:22 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  This quote needs to be bookmarked for every message board poster who ever thinks that BYU is going to join the AAC or rejoin the MWC.

Once the Utes joined the Pac, BYU was either going to be a football indy or join a P5 conference. That's it.

I am sure that was the thinking at the time, but Boise St has shown a school can swallow its pride and go back to the MWC, but still stick out from the other G5 schools. In hindsight, it may have been better for BYU to suck it up and stick with the MWC until that P5 invite comes. But I guess if BYU thought like that, they would already be in the Big 12.

Not the same. Football independence would be a far greater risk for Boise State, so it's not a viable option for them until/unless there is a greater number of indies out there. Boise had no place to go other than the MWC once everyone finally realized that the coast-to-coast Big East football idea was just a harebrained scheme with no pot of gold at the end.

BYU can be a football indy indefinitely because BYU has a base of support that will be there for them even if they have a couple of losing seasons in a row, whereas Boise's support is entirely dependent on consistent winning. And, Boise is a public university where, if they took the financial risk of going indy, at some point the money has to be accounted for, and the politicians who were too weasely to complain about coaches' salaries and other football spending when Boise was winning would pop up to showboat about "fiscal responsibility" as soon as the big winning stopped. At BYU, that's never a factor.

Not to mention the dilemma of where to put basketball if Boise were to go independent in football. BYU at least had a good home for their other sports with the WCC.

ok, I will concede that Boise and BYU are not the same. But based on BM's comments, he made it sound like BYU went independent out of stupid pride. But it sounds like once the decision was made, the BYU tribal elders said ok, but if we are doing this, this is no temporary thing, we will let it run its course before we pull the plug. whereas if they would have stuck in the MWC until the Big 12 became desperate, BYU could grabbed the Big 12 invite that went to TCU or WV without stupid pride getting in the way.

I think that at BYU it's the LDS church elders making that call, and apparently they like independence not only because they like the idea of BYU football standing out and not being in a G5 league while Utah is in the Pac-12, but also because they like the association with the other church-affiliated universities in the WCC.

its interesting that religious schools of different faiths like to hang out together in the same conference. You would think the Catholics would hate the protestants and both would hate the Mormons. But maybe I am living in the past.

(04-18-2015 06:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I think that at BYU it's the LDS church elders making that call, and apparently they like independence not only because they like the idea of BYU football standing out and not being in a G5 league while Utah is in the Pac-12, but also because they like the association with the other church-affiliated universities in the WCC.

Yes. No doubt it helps the WCC's cause that all its members are private; Pacific affiliated themselves with the Methodist Church, but I don't believe that is the case anymore. The WCC is a good conference for BYU in all sports and they get a nice amount of national exposure for basketball.

Here is yet another head coach (a person in position to know) who says he expects another major shift within 3 years and he doesn't want his school to miss out on it.

That's the most important part about the conversation. Those in the know, know what is about to come down. And they are feeling the pressure.

BYU, Army and Navy split $922,658 from the CFP last year as Independents. By comparison each G5 conference received between $13M-$17M to split amongst its members.

Instead of trying to be the last rat off of a sinking ship the G5 and Independents need to take legal action or get Congress involved to rid of FBS of this blatantly corrupt division of a sport league between the Haves and Have-nots where the Haves get 70% of the revenue and the Have-nots only get 27%.

(04-18-2015 09:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  BYU, Army and Navy split $922,658 from the CFP last year as Independents. By comparison each G5 conference received between $13M-$17M to split amongst its members.

Instead of trying to be the last rat off of a sinking ship the G5 and Independents need to take legal action or get Congress involved to rid of FBS of this blatantly corrupt division of a sport league between the Haves and Have-nots where the Haves get 70% of the revenue and the Have-nots only get 27%.

Life isn't fair.
Get used to it.

(04-18-2015 09:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  BYU, Army and Navy split $922,658 from the CFP last year as Independents. By comparison each G5 conference received between $13M-$17M to split amongst its members.

Instead of trying to be the last rat off of a sinking ship the G5 and Independents need to take legal action or get Congress involved to rid of FBS of this blatantly corrupt division of a sport league between the Haves and Have-nots where the Haves get 70% of the revenue and the Have-nots only get 27%.

Gee, when we do that for private business (have nots) to level the playing field for them against the multinationals that lobby congress and the states for all of the perks for their chains (the haves) and when we bring back the jobs that have gone to sweatshops (haves) overseas that work child labor for cents on the day (have nots) so that our folks who are struggling with low to minimum wage jobs (have nots) can actually attain enough to have part of the American dream and when the middle class (now almost have nots) get to see most of the use taxes eliminated and the watch the rich actually start paying a bit more to sustain the dream they have already realized (haves) then maybe just maybe somebody will give a damn about the smaller schools. But right now Perimeterpost I see no evidence that anyone at any level of our government gives a rats behind about the have nots in any part of our life. None! Zilch! So good luck with your crusade. I really do wish you well and hope that your tribe expands! We need a social conscience.

(04-18-2015 09:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  BYU, Army and Navy split $922,658 from the CFP last year as Independents. By comparison each G5 conference received between $13M-$17M to split amongst its members.

Instead of trying to be the last rat off of a sinking ship the G5 and Independents need to take legal action or get Congress involved to rid of FBS of this blatantly corrupt division of a sport league between the Haves and Have-nots where the Haves get 70% of the revenue and the Have-nots only get 27%.

The G5 is lucky to be getting anything at all. If any or all of the G5 conferences refused to participate in the CFP, the sports world would hardly notice. If just one of the P5 conferences declined to sign on, the CFP would not exist. That's the reason right there why one group is being paid a lot more than the other.

(04-18-2015 08:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Here is yet another head coach (a person in position to know) who says he expects another major shift within 3 years and he doesn't want his school to miss out on it.

That's the most important part about the conversation. Those in the know, know what is about to come down. And they are feeling the pressure.

Bronco doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He's been telling his recruits that BYU will be in a P5 conference during their career (within 4 years) since 2011.

His AD's comments show a resignation to the fact that BYU will be Indy for the foreseeable future. The AD knows; Bronco's just stringing along recruits and a dwindling fan base.

(04-18-2015 06:56 PM)goofus Wrote:  its interesting that religious schools of different faiths like to hang out together in the same conference. You would think the Catholics would hate the protestants and both would hate the Mormons. But maybe I am living in the past.

Money is the religion for middle class america today. The message of Jesus Christ to love they neighbor and support the weak in your community has been forgotten.

Corporate sponsored volunteer events are now filling the void of church sponsored volunteer work.

(04-18-2015 09:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  BYU, Army and Navy split $922,658 from the CFP last year as Independents. By comparison each G5 conference received between $13M-$17M to split amongst its members.

Instead of trying to be the last rat off of a sinking ship the G5 and Independents need to take legal action or get Congress involved to rid of FBS of this blatantly corrupt division of a sport league between the Haves and Have-nots where the Haves get 70% of the revenue and the Have-nots only get 27%.

Gee, when we do that for private business (have nots) to level the playing field for them against the multinationals that lobby congress and the states for all of the perks for their chains (the haves) and when we bring back the jobs that have gone to sweatshops (haves) overseas that work child labor for cents on the day (have nots) so that our folks who are struggling with low to minimum wage jobs (have nots) can actually attain enough to have part of the American dream and when the middle class (now almost have nots) get to see most of the use taxes eliminated and the watch the rich actually start paying a bit more to sustain the dream they have already realized (haves) then maybe just maybe somebody will give a damn about the smaller schools. But right now Perimeterpost I see no evidence that anyone at any level of our government gives a rats behind about the have nots in any part of our life. None! Zilch! So good luck with your crusade. I really do wish you well and hope that your tribe expands! We need a social conscience.

The fact is the current imbalances aren't sustainable.

Take outsourcing of labor, a lot of it is coming back to the US because it was pushed so far. Executives are always trying to increase value as well as profit and once you get to a point value necessitates higher end professionals that can increase your organizations worth.

Secondly, our economy cannot continue to grow indefinitely. At a minimum we'll reach a zero growth equilibrium. If the economics cannot sustain it then you'll see a negative growth economy with people having to use busses in the US because they won't be able to afford the price of a 22nd Century car. After that your dealing with potential environmental cataclysm which is projected to turn the South into the Sahara Desert while Minnesota starts growing its own cotton.

You can't take the past 40 years of economic growth by the South and say for certain that it will continue to thrive over the Midwest. That is not a 100 or 200 year view. Its maybe a 10-15 year forecast. When Auburn is underwater fans will stop attending football games there.

(04-18-2015 09:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  BYU, Army and Navy split $922,658 from the CFP last year as Independents. By comparison each G5 conference received between $13M-$17M to split amongst its members.

Instead of trying to be the last rat off of a sinking ship the G5 and Independents need to take legal action or get Congress involved to rid of FBS of this blatantly corrupt division of a sport league between the Haves and Have-nots where the Haves get 70% of the revenue and the Have-nots only get 27%.

Neither Congress nor the courts can change the fact that the P5 conferences generate far more revenue than the G5 conferences, and thus are entitled to far more revenue than the G5 conferences.