(04-18-2015 08:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Here is yet another head coach (a person in position to know) who says he expects another major shift within 3 years and he doesn't want his school to miss out on it.

That's the most important part about the conversation. Those in the know, know what is about to come down. And they are feeling the pressure.

I believe he hopes there's another major shift in 3 years, not that he actually expects it.

(04-18-2015 04:22 PM)goofus Wrote:  I am sure that was the thinking at the time, but Boise St has shown a school can swallow its pride and go back to the MWC, but still stick out from the other G5 schools.

BYU > Boise

(04-19-2015 01:14 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  BYU, Army and Navy split $922,658 from the CFP last year as Independents. By comparison each G5 conference received between $13M-$17M to split amongst its members.

Instead of trying to be the last rat off of a sinking ship the G5 and Independents need to take legal action or get Congress involved to rid of FBS of this blatantly corrupt division of a sport league between the Haves and Have-nots where the Haves get 70% of the revenue and the Have-nots only get 27%.

Gee, when we do that for private business (have nots) to level the playing field for them against the multinationals that lobby congress and the states for all of the perks for their chains (the haves) and when we bring back the jobs that have gone to sweatshops (haves) overseas that work child labor for cents on the day (have nots) so that our folks who are struggling with low to minimum wage jobs (have nots) can actually attain enough to have part of the American dream and when the middle class (now almost have nots) get to see most of the use taxes eliminated and the watch the rich actually start paying a bit more to sustain the dream they have already realized (haves) then maybe just maybe somebody will give a damn about the smaller schools. But right now Perimeterpost I see no evidence that anyone at any level of our government gives a rats behind about the have nots in any part of our life. None! Zilch! So good luck with your crusade. I really do wish you well and hope that your tribe expands! We need a social conscience.

The fact is the current imbalances aren't sustainable.

Take outsourcing of labor, a lot of it is coming back to the US because it was pushed so far. Executives are always trying to increase value as well as profit and once you get to a point value necessitates higher end professionals that can increase your organizations worth.

Secondly, our economy cannot continue to grow indefinitely. At a minimum we'll reach a zero growth equilibrium. If the economics cannot sustain it then you'll see a negative growth economy with people having to use busses in the US because they won't be able to afford the price of a 22nd Century car. After that your dealing with potential environmental cataclysm which is projected to turn the South into the Sahara Desert while Minnesota starts growing its own cotton.

You can't take the past 40 years of economic growth by the South and say for certain that it will continue to thrive over the Midwest. That is not a 100 or 200 year view. Its maybe a 10-15 year forecast. When Auburn is underwater fans will stop attending football games there.

All things change. Our economy is 65 Trillion underwater now. Artificial inflation has kept it past its natural life. I don't think anyone knows how devastating the recovery from it will be. And for the record the South will become more tropic before the desertification. It would take a few millennia more before that would begin. So who knows the more savvy hunters of the South would have plenty of time to migrate north and recycle one of your stadia. But seriously the economic events alone might be enough to bring an end to many things we think are part of normal life now. Change the public's focus and make life difficult enough and the representation of struggle and conflict and triumph and defeat that sports represents might just lose its appeal altogether. For most people part of the appeal of them now is that they give us a surrogate thrill for what most lives lack, struggle and real conflict. Our lives have struggles at the office or in traffic and conflict with a bad neighbor or a willful child etc., but no real threat of combat and no real threat of missing a meal. We tend to be enamored of what we lack. Now those who actually play the sports love them for the most part. So I think sports would continue, but they just wouldn't appeal to a public for which life had become the struggle and conflict.

(04-18-2015 11:29 PM)prp Wrote:  The G5 is lucky to be getting anything at all. If any or all of the G5 conferences refused to participate in the CFP, the sports world would hardly notice. If just one of the P5 conferences declined to sign on, the CFP would not exist. That's the reason right there why one group is being paid a lot more than the other.

And if the P5 jettisoned 1/2 of the teams in P5, no one would notice either. The P5 conferences are stuffed with universities that add little to the real competition, and have little national branding other than what they've accumulated by being associated with the real water carriers.

(04-19-2015 05:42 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:22 PM)goofus Wrote:  I am sure that was the thinking at the time, but Boise St has shown a school can swallow its pride and go back to the MWC, but still stick out from the other G5 schools.

BYU > Boise

LOL, good one.

(04-19-2015 01:14 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  BYU, Army and Navy split $922,658 from the CFP last year as Independents. By comparison each G5 conference received between $13M-$17M to split amongst its members.

Instead of trying to be the last rat off of a sinking ship the G5 and Independents need to take legal action or get Congress involved to rid of FBS of this blatantly corrupt division of a sport league between the Haves and Have-nots where the Haves get 70% of the revenue and the Have-nots only get 27%.

Gee, when we do that for private business (have nots) to level the playing field for them against the multinationals that lobby congress and the states for all of the perks for their chains (the haves) and when we bring back the jobs that have gone to sweatshops (haves) overseas that work child labor for cents on the day (have nots) so that our folks who are struggling with low to minimum wage jobs (have nots) can actually attain enough to have part of the American dream and when the middle class (now almost have nots) get to see most of the use taxes eliminated and the watch the rich actually start paying a bit more to sustain the dream they have already realized (haves) then maybe just maybe somebody will give a damn about the smaller schools. But right now Perimeterpost I see no evidence that anyone at any level of our government gives a rats behind about the have nots in any part of our life. None! Zilch! So good luck with your crusade. I really do wish you well and hope that your tribe expands! We need a social conscience.

The fact is the current imbalances aren't sustainable.

Take outsourcing of labor, a lot of it is coming back to the US because it was pushed so far. Executives are always trying to increase value as well as profit and once you get to a point value necessitates higher end professionals that can increase your organizations worth.

Secondly, our economy cannot continue to grow indefinitely. At a minimum we'll reach a zero growth equilibrium. If the economics cannot sustain it then you'll see a negative growth economy with people having to use busses in the US because they won't be able to afford the price of a 22nd Century car. After that your dealing with potential environmental cataclysm which is projected to turn the South into the Sahara Desert while Minnesota starts growing its own cotton.

You can't take the past 40 years of economic growth by the South and say for certain that it will continue to thrive over the Midwest. That is not a 100 or 200 year view. Its maybe a 10-15 year forecast. When Auburn is underwater fans will stop attending football games there.

Auburn isn't under water on that map. Close. It's outa the floodplain north of Montgomery. FWIW

Let it rain

(04-18-2015 09:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  .......I see no evidence that anyone at any level of our government gives a rats behind about the have nots in any part of our life. None! Zilch! So good luck with your crusade. I really do wish you well and hope that your tribe expands! We need a social conscience.

That is precisely the sort of smug arrogance which fuels my delicious hatred of the SEC.

(04-20-2015 09:41 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  .......I see no evidence that anyone at any level of our government gives a rats behind about the have nots in any part of our life. None! Zilch! So good luck with your crusade. I really do wish you well and hope that your tribe expands! We need a social conscience.

That is precisely the sort of smug arrogance which fuels my delicious hatred of the SEC.

He's not being arrogant at all. In fact, most of his post was supportive. His tone is one of "you have a good point, but you're getting nowhere with the suits involved, lol".

(04-20-2015 10:07 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 09:41 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  .......I see no evidence that anyone at any level of our government gives a rats behind about the have nots in any part of our life. None! Zilch! So good luck with your crusade. I really do wish you well and hope that your tribe expands! We need a social conscience.

That is precisely the sort of smug arrogance which fuels my delicious hatred of the SEC.

He's not being arrogant at all. In fact, most of his post was supportive. His tone is one of "you have a good point, but you're getting nowhere with the suits involved, lol".

Exactly! Thank you. When people have preconceived prejudices they usually see and hear what they want to see and hear.

When conferences share revenue earned at a conference level (CFP contract, NCAA Tournament revenue units, TV contracts, etc.) conferences distribute that revenue amongst its members with equity or a slight variable because its the right thing to do. Nobody says the B1G should give Ohio State 10X the revenue as Northwestern because OSU is worth 10X Northwestern. It is understood that equal members deserve equal treatment.

It is no different among conferences within the same league. Sure, some conferences generate more revenue than others, but that is reflected in their individual revenue streams. Nobody is asking the B1G to share ticket revenue, merch sales and B1G Network revenue with the MAC. But when it comes to league wide revenue it should be distributed with some sense of equity. Keeping 1/2 of a sports league systemically poor is wrong. Period.

Don't worry the zombie plague will start soon, and it all won't matter any more.

(04-18-2015 06:56 PM)goofus Wrote:  its interesting that religious schools of different faiths like to hang out together in the same conference. You would think the Catholics would hate the protestants and both would hate the Mormons. But maybe I am living in the past.

I know that the LDS Church loves the new affiliation with the Catholic institutions, Pepperdine (Church of Christ), and Pacific (Methodist-ish). It has led to new roads of interfaith respect and understanding and unprecedented collaboration regarding protection of the family unit and religious freedoms.

BYU will not leave this affiliation lightly.

And, the WCC footprint is a pretty good fit for BYU's alumni - more than half of the Cougar alumni base lives in Utah (45%), California (10%), Washington (4%), and Oregon (2%). Only the PAC 12 would provide a better fit - because it also includes Arizona (5%) and Colorado (2.5%).

The AAC - with an expanded western division - would actually be BYU's best fit, as far as footprint goes:

Utah: 45% alumni, 2 million LDS
California: 10% alumni, 780K LDS (SDSU, Fresno)
Idaho: 5% alumni, 430K LDS (Boise St.)
Texas: 4% alumni, 335K LDS (SMU, Houston)
Colorado: 3% alumni, 150K LDS (Colorado St.)
MidAtlantic/NorthEast: 5% alumni, >350K LDS (Navy, UConn, Temple)
South: 4% alumni, > 500K LDS (UCF, USF, ECU, Memphis, Tulane)

(04-19-2015 05:37 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 05:42 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 04:22 PM)goofus Wrote:  I am sure that was the thinking at the time, but Boise St has shown a school can swallow its pride and go back to the MWC, but still stick out from the other G5 schools.

BYU > Boise

LOL, good one.

(04-18-2015 09:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 09:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  BYU, Army and Navy split $922,658 from the CFP last year as Independents. By comparison each G5 conference received between $13M-$17M to split amongst its members.

Instead of trying to be the last rat off of a sinking ship the G5 and Independents need to take legal action or get Congress involved to rid of FBS of this blatantly corrupt division of a sport league between the Haves and Have-nots where the Haves get 70% of the revenue and the Have-nots only get 27%.

Gee, when we do that for private business (have nots) to level the playing field for them against the multinationals that lobby congress and the states for all of the perks for their chains (the haves) and when we bring back the jobs that have gone to sweatshops (haves) overseas that work child labor for cents on the day (have nots) so that our folks who are struggling with low to minimum wage jobs (have nots) can actually attain enough to have part of the American dream and when the middle class (now almost have nots) get to see most of the use taxes eliminated and the watch the rich actually start paying a bit more to sustain the dream they have already realized (haves) then maybe just maybe somebody will give a damn about the smaller schools. But right now Perimeterpost I see no evidence that anyone at any level of our government gives a rats behind about the have nots in any part of our life. None! Zilch! So good luck with your crusade. I really do wish you well and hope that your tribe expands! We need a social conscience.

Actually if you want to know, lawmakers can help improve their schools in their state to be as attractive. Texas are trying to get Houston, UTEP, UTSA, UTA, UTD, Lamar, Texas Tech and West Texas A&M to be more research schools to be part of AAU. Illinois politicians are trying to improve the image of some of their public universities to be part of the P5. Some states that do not have a school in a P5 conference doing the exact same thing. It has to do with trying to improve the image of each schools through academics and with football.