B1G Commissioner Jim Delany sent a 12-page e-mail today to the press proposing his concept for freshman ineligibility. Included in the idea (not a formal proposal mind you) are increased scholarship limits for football (by 7) and men's and women's basketball (by 3 each) and a proportionate amount of women's sports to accommodate Title IX.

This theme of his proposal (in his words) is to signal "that the primary purpose of intercollegiate football and men’s basketball is not to serve as minor leagues to the NFL and NBA."

He proposes that the increased costs be borne by increased TV and CFP revenue.

Please go away Delany. Increase schollies limits so you can
Take more kids away from the conferences not able to pay
As rich dollars in cost of attendance.

(04-17-2015 01:40 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  B1G Commissioner Jim Delany sent a 12-page e-mail today to the press proposing his concept for freshman ineligibility. Included in the idea (not a formal proposal mind you) are increased scholarship limits for football (by 7) and men's and women's basketball (by 3 each) and a proportionate amount of women's sports to accommodate Title IX.

This theme of his proposal (in his words) is to signal "that the primary purpose of intercollegiate football and men’s basketball is not to serve as minor leagues to the NFL and NBA."

He proposes that the increased costs be borne by increased TV and CFP revenue.

Dare this ND fan say I have become a fan of Delany's!

(04-17-2015 01:45 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  Please go away Delany. Increase schollies limits so you can
Take more kids away from the conferences not able to pay
As rich dollars in cost of attendance.

Agreed. IMO, this leads to "warehousing" of athletes to keep them away from the competition, despite whatever altruistic notions may exist for its initial proposal. I just don't see this passing.

not a ******* chance of this happening. Hell, there would be a lot of P5 schools that would oppose it. Why would Minnesota in the Big Ten support allowing Michigan and Ohio St getting 7 more football players just to keep them away from other programs?

(04-17-2015 01:40 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  B1G Commissioner Jim Delany sent a 12-page e-mail today to the press proposing his concept for freshman ineligibility. Included in the idea (not a formal proposal mind you) are increased scholarship limits for football (by 7) and men's and women's basketball (by 3 each) and a proportionate amount of women's sports to accommodate Title IX.

7 more football scholarships so that Ohio State or Notre Dame or Alabama can get 7 more players who otherwise might have gone to Iowa or Purdue.

3 more basketball scholarships so that Kentucky or Duke can get 3 more players who otherwise might have gone to Indiana or Ohio State.

I'm guessing, Jim, that means this is a big No, even within the Big Ten.

(04-17-2015 01:53 PM)stever20 Wrote:  not a ******* chance of this happening. Hell, there would be a lot of P5 schools that would oppose it. Why would Minnesota in the Big Ten support allowing Michigan and Ohio St getting 7 more football players just to keep them away from other programs?

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

A back door schollie increase isn't going to fly. Nice try Delaney. Thanks for playing!

(04-17-2015 01:40 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  B1G Commissioner Jim Delany sent a 12-page e-mail today to the press proposing his concept for freshman ineligibility. Included in the idea (not a formal proposal mind you) are increased scholarship limits for football (by 7) and men's and women's basketball (by 3 each) and a proportionate amount of women's sports to accommodate Title IX.

This theme of his proposal (in his words) is to signal "that the primary purpose of intercollegiate football and men’s basketball is not to serve as minor leagues to the NFL and NBA."

He proposes that the increased costs be borne by increased TV and CFP revenue.

Lol. Did these words come out of his mouth or his ass?

I think it will happen. Maybe not know but in a couple years or so. He has been talking about this for a couple years now. This is how it all starts folks.. It is the sports version of progressivism. They might start out with some type of compromise but marks words that I'm a few years they will get it.

(04-17-2015 02:09 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think it will happen. Maybe not know but in a couple years or so. He has been talking about this for a couple years now. This is how it all starts folks.. It is the sports version of progressivism. They might start out with some type of compromise but marks words that I'm a few years they will get it.

Not a chance. SEC will NEVER agree to freshmen not being eligible. Never. And the schollie increases? That wouldn't even come close to a majority of the P5 schools. Yeah your Alabama/Ohio St/USC/ etc. type schools would, but not a chance your Minnesota/Wake Forest/Vandy/Kansas St/ etc. type schools would go for it. And there is more of the Minnesota types out there.

(04-17-2015 02:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 02:09 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think it will happen. Maybe not know but in a couple years or so. He has been talking about this for a couple years now. This is how it all starts folks.. It is the sports version of progressivism. They might start out with some type of compromise but marks words that I'm a few years they will get it.

Not a chance. SEC will NEVER agree to freshmen not being eligible. Never. And the schollie increases? That wouldn't even come close to a majority of the P5 schools. Yeah your Alabama/Ohio St/USC/ etc. type schools would, but not a chance your Minnesota/Wake Forest/Vandy/Kansas St/ etc. type schools would go for it. And there is more of the Minnesota types out there.

Not to mention that scholarship limits are not only NOT a provision included within P5 autonomy, they're the one provision specifically excluded from weighted voting in FBS and D1. It wouldn't matter if the P5 were to be in solidarity (which they won't), there's no way the rest of D1 or FBS would go for it.

What audacity by Delaney.Unreal.

Thanks Commissioner Delaney for having the intestinal fortitude to say what needs to be said. Here's hoping Swofford, Bowlsby and Scott agree with you.

(04-17-2015 01:40 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  B1G Commissioner Jim Delany sent a 12-page e-mail today to the press proposing his concept for freshman ineligibility. Included in the idea (not a formal proposal mind you) are increased scholarship limits for football (by 7) and men's and women's basketball (by 3 each) and a proportionate amount of women's sports to accommodate Title IX.

This theme of his proposal (in his words) is to signal "that the primary purpose of intercollegiate football and men’s basketball is not to serve as minor leagues to the NFL and NBA."

He proposes that the increased costs be borne by increased TV and CFP revenue.

Those that don't think this will pass: The scholarship limit changes were added as a bargaining chip. If conferences outside the P5 don't want freshman ineligibility, he'll remove scholarship limit changes to gain their support.
CJ

(04-17-2015 02:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 02:09 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think it will happen. Maybe not know but in a couple years or so. He has been talking about this for a couple years now. This is how it all starts folks.. It is the sports version of progressivism. They might start out with some type of compromise but marks words that I'm a few years they will get it.

Not a chance. SEC will NEVER agree to freshmen not being eligible. Never. And the schollie increases? That wouldn't even come close to a majority of the P5 schools. Yeah your Alabama/Ohio St/USC/ etc. type schools would, but not a chance your Minnesota/Wake Forest/Vandy/Kansas St/ etc. type schools would go for it. And there is more of the Minnesota types out there.

I am mostly talking about the scholarship increases. The lower tier P5 schools will reap rewards from taking the better players who would have gone to better G5 schools in the past. The elite schools are not recruiting those kids anyway.

(04-17-2015 02:42 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Those that don't think this will pass: The scholarship limit changes were added as a bargaining chip. If conferences outside the P5 don't want freshman ineligibility, he'll remove scholarship limit changes to gain their support.
CJ

The conferences INSIDE THE P5 don't want freshman ineligibility, either. As someone commented on Twitter about this proposal:

Quote:Ben Axelrod
‏@BenAxelrod 3h 3 hours ago

Very few things could bring Urban Meyer and Jim Harbaugh together. Planning to oust jim Delany may wind up being one of those things.

(04-17-2015 02:43 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 02:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 02:09 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think it will happen. Maybe not know but in a couple years or so. He has been talking about this for a couple years now. This is how it all starts folks.. It is the sports version of progressivism. They might start out with some type of compromise but marks words that I'm a few years they will get it.

Not a chance. SEC will NEVER agree to freshmen not being eligible. Never. And the schollie increases? That wouldn't even come close to a majority of the P5 schools. Yeah your Alabama/Ohio St/USC/ etc. type schools would, but not a chance your Minnesota/Wake Forest/Vandy/Kansas St/ etc. type schools would go for it. And there is more of the Minnesota types out there.

I am mostly talking about the scholarship increases. The lower tier P5 schools will reap rewards from taking the better players who would have gone to better G5 schools in the past. The elite schools are not recruiting those kids anyway.

Not a chance though- because those lower tier P5 schools would lose some of their better players to the higher tier P5 schools.

I love this idea. Freshmen should not be allowed to play.

(04-17-2015 02:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 02:43 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 02:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 02:09 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think it will happen. Maybe not know but in a couple years or so. He has been talking about this for a couple years now. This is how it all starts folks.. It is the sports version of progressivism. They might start out with some type of compromise but marks words that I'm a few years they will get it.

Not a chance. SEC will NEVER agree to freshmen not being eligible. Never. And the schollie increases? That wouldn't even come close to a majority of the P5 schools. Yeah your Alabama/Ohio St/USC/ etc. type schools would, but not a chance your Minnesota/Wake Forest/Vandy/Kansas St/ etc. type schools would go for it. And there is more of the Minnesota types out there.

I am mostly talking about the scholarship increases. The lower tier P5 schools will reap rewards from taking the better players who would have gone to better G5 schools in the past. The elite schools are not recruiting those kids anyway.

Not a chance though- because those lower tier P5 schools would lose some of their better players to the higher tier P5 schools.

It would be a really brutal trickle-down effect. Bad for about two-thirds of P5 football teams and even worse for nearly all G5 teams.

If the extra 7 FB scholarships means that Minnesota (for example) loses 7 of its best recruits to Ohio State and other teams that usually win the recruiting wars, then Minnesota has to replace those 7 recruits with kids who might have gone to G5 schools AND they have to recruit 7 more to fill the extra scholarship spots.

So, Minnesota loses seven 3-star players and replaces them with fourteen 1 or 2-star players. They pay more, and effectively trade 7 highly-ranked football recruits for 14 recruits who project to be marginal or at best "sleeper" players in the Big Ten. The talent gap between Minnesota and Ohio State grows even wider. And, the Minnesota-type P5 teams are each taking an additional 14 recruits who otherwise would have gone to G5 teams.

Just the increased scholarship limit part of the Delany plan should get 10 no votes within the Big Ten. The freshman-ineligibility part might get even more no votes.

I just don't understand why he had to tie football into this.

No one is talking about a "one and done" problem in football. Was he worried about singling out a specific sport?