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Rand Paul is no Ron Paul
Granted as of now I see Rand as the best alternative so far given what we know of the GOP candidates, he is not what I would consider an actual libertarian.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/14/rand-p...bertarians

Question is: If you vote for Rand, do you vote for the status quo? Larger question: If you vote GOP or DEM - do you vote for the status quo?
04-16-2015 01:04 PM
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I have received 4 phone calls from his boys trying to get me to donate to him.

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Ted Cruz is the least status quo candidate that is running or looking at running. He has my support. Walker and Rand are tied for second.
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You're right. He already has much more of a chance than his father ever did.
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I think Rand Paul could be an interesting candidate 1-2 election cycles from now, when he's seasoned and maybe keeps his feet out of his mouth. Mostly.
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(04-16-2015 01:08 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  You're right. He already has much more of a chance than his father ever did.

That was my first thought.........and it doesn't matter if Ron was correct in his stances or beliefs. Rand has a better chance of winning than Ron.
04-16-2015 02:30 PM
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I like Ron. But his son is already more legitimate than he ever was.
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Rand can appeal to the masses. Ron couldn't get over 4%.
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(04-16-2015 06:35 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Rand can appeal to the masses. Ron couldn't get over 4%.

I think a lot of that was due to the powers that be on the right not wanting him to appeal to them. Fox did a hose job covering Ron Paul in 2012, if they don't to Rand, it does beg the question 'why?'
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(04-16-2015 06:35 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Rand can appeal to the masses. Ron couldn't get over 4%.
Ron actually performed pretty well in 2012. He was very close to winning both Iowa and NH.
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I (obviously) don't watch a whole lot of Fox news, so I have no idea on this. Do you guys see them being nicer to Rand than they were to Paul in the primaries? The problem with having one station be the main mouthpiece of an entire ideology is that it makes it hard for those marginalized by them to make any headway, and I think Ron Paul found that out the hard way.

It's hard to deny when you compare how Fox news treated the 'Tea Party' movement compared to *THE* true Tea Party candidate.
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(04-16-2015 06:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-16-2015 06:35 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Rand can appeal to the masses. Ron couldn't get over 4%.
Ron actually performed pretty well in 2012. He was very close to winning both Iowa and NH.

Ron had zero chance of winning the Republican nomination. Then he'd have to run as a third party nominee and he'd get about 4% or 5%. Rand can win the nomination and possibly the general election.
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We'll see any media biases come out during the debates. If Rand can debate like Ron, then maybe we've got something.
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(04-16-2015 10:07 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  We'll see any media biases come out during the debates. If Rand can debate like Ron, then maybe we've got something.

Media bias is a given. It's inevitable. It was so bad last time that Candy Crowley interjected with a lie to protect Obama in a debate. And she was the moderator.
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The worst bias against his father was by Fox.
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Rand is better.
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(04-16-2015 10:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  The worst bias against his father was by Fox.

Yep. Fox is just as bad as the rest of them. Just the Karl Rove and his minions show. Ron does sound like a senile old man though.
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RE: Rand Paul is no Ron Paul
Ive been saying all along that Rand is being very calculated in his strategies. He has been forced to abandon publicly much of his personal philosophy to become more "electable". I still think he is much more Libertarian that he allows people to know. He is not Ron...but...I believe he is closer to him than we think. It will be interesting to see if he can make major end roads with even the limited amount of Libertarianism he projects. Any positive gains IMO will be historic for that political philosophy.
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To me, Ron sounds like a breath of fresh air. He's honest. I don't agree with his view on the Fed though, because what he advocates is to give the power to print money BACK to elected officials. DO YOU REALIZE HOW DANGEROUS THAT WOULD BE??? Overall I like Rand the best out of the rest of the GOP bunch; however, I fear that he will ultimately toe the line with the rest of the GOP establishment and not have the fortitude to drive long overdue changes - like real cost cutting. Until the GOP gets serious about welcoming libertarian POVs into the party, they will continue to keep the status quo and play the same game with the Dems.
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(04-17-2015 08:07 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Ive been saying all along that Rand is being very calculated in his strategies. He has been forced to abandon publicly much of his personal philosophy to become more "electable". I still think he is much more Libertarian that he allows people to know. He is not Ron...but...I believe he is closer to him than we think. It will be interesting to see if he can make major end roads with even the limited amount of Libertarianism he projects. Any positive gains IMO will be historic for that political philosophy.

I'm sure he has. Honestly, my guess is that Christie has done the same in New Jersey given the Democratic majorities in that state's congress. He couldn't govern if he didn't.

With both of these guys, they can't draw a line in the sand on everything and never waver, if they do - they become unelectable.

I'm not saying I think either are the best Republican choice, but do believe either would be much better than Hillary.
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