(04-17-2015 07:14 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 07:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 04:37 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 04:35 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  We've covered this 100 times here... bottom line: you can hit every "true" rivalry with just 3 permanent rivals, then rotate the other 5 games (assuming no divisions).

We're sold. Get on the Hokiephone and tell Swofford, not us.

Swofford's not the hold up, well at least not primarily. It's his puppet masters, primarily the old guard members of the Coastal.

Fair enough, call UNC, UVA, and Duke.

BINGO.

Want to keep them happy? Take the team with the best W-L record from among Clemson, Ga Tech, FSU and Miami and let that team play the best of the rest. Guarantees a North/South-of-Charlotte match. Take both teams from the 8-team group if the 2nd-best has more wins than the best of the Southern Four - just don't take both teams from the foursome. After all, isn't that what those teams fear if the ACC scraps divisions - a never-ending parade of Miami-FSU-GT-Clemson ACC CG games with no representation from the "other 8"?

(04-17-2015 08:44 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  That is a surprising comment. Clemson GT is a must have, IMO.

I suspect as word of that comment trickles out he'll be hearing from people.

(04-17-2015 11:12 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:44 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  That is a surprising comment. Clemson GT is a must have, IMO.

I suspect as word of that comment trickles out he'll be hearing from people.

Angry engineers will abound.

Hey those two work for me....

I asked one the other day how big the engine was in his car. He said he didn't know but would be glad to measure it for me.

The other one had never seen the Star Wars movies. So I told him I would pay him to watch them one weekend. Best money I ever spent....
CJ

(04-17-2015 08:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 02:56 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 02:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  ND will declare themselves Champions of the Independents.

Serious question though, does a Big 12 Championsip Game put more pressure on ND to join a conference?

No, I don't think so. How many times has ND gone 11-1?

They're almost certainly in at 12-0. Likely out at 11-1. Probably not in at 2 losses even if they are in a conference.

I don't think they're going to ditch independence over a once or twice a decade occurrence. If they leave independence it will be because of totally being shut out of the playoff format (contraction to four conferences and automatic bids), or for other reasons that go beyond playoffs.

+100

I have been saying exactly this for months. The only difference is that if 11-1 is not good enough as an independent, being in the ACC would not help or change that.

So, ND might as well take its chances at 11-1 as an independent.

I believe the thinking is that a 12-1 ACC Champion Notre Dame team would have a better resume for making the playoff - especially if coming off a big win in a conference championship game right before the voters are deciding - than an 11-1 Notre Dame team that played USC or Wake Forest a few weeks ago.

A 12-1 (.9231) team is always going to look a little bit better than an 11-1 (.9167) team. There is more positive information available about the former.

An 11-1 Notre Dame team getting left out of the playoff is certainly not likely to occur often or even ever, but the opportunity to win a conference championship game is a real advantage for conference members with regard to the playoffs.

Most people would question the legitimacy of the system if an an 11-1 team made the playoff over a 12-1 P5 conference champion, and I'm sure the committee knows to avoid that outcome.

On the flip side, a championship game can just as easily cost teams as put them in. In the BCS era, they probably threw more teams out and than put a team in.

(04-19-2015 12:09 AM)opossum Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 02:56 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  ...How many times has ND gone 11-1?

They're almost certainly in at 12-0. Likely out at 11-1. Probably not in at 2 losses even if they are in a conference.

I don't think they're going to ditch independence over a once or twice a decade occurrence. If they leave independence it will be because of totally being shut out of the playoff format (contraction to four conferences and automatic bids), or for other reasons that go beyond playoffs.

+100

I have been saying exactly this for months. The only difference is that if 11-1 is not good enough as an independent, being in the ACC would not help or change that.

So, ND might as well take its chances at 11-1 as an independent.

I believe the thinking is that a 12-1 ACC Champion Notre Dame team would have a better resume for making the playoff - especially if coming off a big win in a conference championship game right before the voters are deciding - than an 11-1 Notre Dame team that played USC or Wake Forest a few weeks ago.

A 12-1 (.9231) team is always going to look a little bit better than an 11-1 (.9167) team. There is more positive information available about the former.

An 11-1 Notre Dame team getting left out of the playoff is certainly not likely to occur often or even ever, but the opportunity to win a conference championship game is a real advantage for conference members with regard to the playoffs.

Most people would question the legitimacy of the system if an an 11-1 team made the playoff over a 12-1 P5 conference champion, and I'm sure the committee knows to avoid that outcome.

I wish I had a $1 for every Notre Dame fan who says if they get left out at 11-1 that being in a conference won't help. HELLO! Game # 13! Ohio State would've been out at 11-1 last year, but got in at 12-1.

(04-19-2015 08:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  On the flip side, a championship game can just as easily cost teams as put them in. In the BCS era, they probably threw more teams out and than put a team in.

TRUE, but... if you're scared of playing in the conference championship game, you probably don't belong in the national championship either!

(04-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:09 AM)opossum Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 02:56 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  ...How many times has ND gone 11-1?

They're almost certainly in at 12-0. Likely out at 11-1. Probably not in at 2 losses even if they are in a conference.

I don't think they're going to ditch independence over a once or twice a decade occurrence. If they leave independence it will be because of totally being shut out of the playoff format (contraction to four conferences and automatic bids), or for other reasons that go beyond playoffs.

+100

I have been saying exactly this for months. The only difference is that if 11-1 is not good enough as an independent, being in the ACC would not help or change that.

So, ND might as well take its chances at 11-1 as an independent.

I believe the thinking is that a 12-1 ACC Champion Notre Dame team would have a better resume for making the playoff - especially if coming off a big win in a conference championship game right before the voters are deciding - than an 11-1 Notre Dame team that played USC or Wake Forest a few weeks ago.

A 12-1 (.9231) team is always going to look a little bit better than an 11-1 (.9167) team. There is more positive information available about the former.

An 11-1 Notre Dame team getting left out of the playoff is certainly not likely to occur often or even ever, but the opportunity to win a conference championship game is a real advantage for conference members with regard to the playoffs.

Most people would question the legitimacy of the system if an an 11-1 team made the playoff over a 12-1 P5 conference champion, and I'm sure the committee knows to avoid that outcome.

I wish I had a $1 for every Notre Dame fan who says if they get left out at 11-1 that being in a conference won't help. HELLO! Game # 13! Ohio State would've been out at 11-1 last year, but got in at 12-1.

(04-19-2015 08:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  On the flip side, a championship game can just as easily cost teams as put them in. In the BCS era, they probably threw more teams out and than put a team in.

TRUE, but... if you're scared of playing in the conference championship game, you probably don't belong in the national championship either!

But it is simply not worth it. How many times will this exact scenario happen in real life?

Why give up what you have and change your entire football culture for some vague fear or concern about a scenario that may happen once every ten years?

(04-19-2015 10:08 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:09 AM)opossum Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 02:56 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  ...How many times has ND gone 11-1?

They're almost certainly in at 12-0. Likely out at 11-1. Probably not in at 2 losses even if they are in a conference.

I don't think they're going to ditch independence over a once or twice a decade occurrence. If they leave independence it will be because of totally being shut out of the playoff format (contraction to four conferences and automatic bids), or for other reasons that go beyond playoffs.

+100

I have been saying exactly this for months. The only difference is that if 11-1 is not good enough as an independent, being in the ACC would not help or change that.

So, ND might as well take its chances at 11-1 as an independent.

I believe the thinking is that a 12-1 ACC Champion Notre Dame team would have a better resume for making the playoff - especially if coming off a big win in a conference championship game right before the voters are deciding - than an 11-1 Notre Dame team that played USC or Wake Forest a few weeks ago.

A 12-1 (.9231) team is always going to look a little bit better than an 11-1 (.9167) team. There is more positive information available about the former.

An 11-1 Notre Dame team getting left out of the playoff is certainly not likely to occur often or even ever, but the opportunity to win a conference championship game is a real advantage for conference members with regard to the playoffs.

Most people would question the legitimacy of the system if an an 11-1 team made the playoff over a 12-1 P5 conference champion, and I'm sure the committee knows to avoid that outcome.

I wish I had a $1 for every Notre Dame fan who says if they get left out at 11-1 that being in a conference won't help. HELLO! Game # 13! Ohio State would've been out at 11-1 last year, but got in at 12-1.

(04-19-2015 08:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  On the flip side, a championship game can just as easily cost teams as put them in. In the BCS era, they probably threw more teams out and than put a team in.

TRUE, but... if you're scared of playing in the conference championship game, you probably don't belong in the national championship either!

But it is simply not worth it. How many times will this exact scenario happen in real life?

Why give up what you have and change your entire football culture for some vague fear or concern about a scenario that may happen once every ten years?

For starters, it would land you on my Christmas card mailing list.

(04-19-2015 10:08 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:09 AM)opossum Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 02:56 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  ...How many times has ND gone 11-1?

They're almost certainly in at 12-0. Likely out at 11-1. Probably not in at 2 losses even if they are in a conference.

I don't think they're going to ditch independence over a once or twice a decade occurrence. If they leave independence it will be because of totally being shut out of the playoff format (contraction to four conferences and automatic bids), or for other reasons that go beyond playoffs.

+100

I have been saying exactly this for months. The only difference is that if 11-1 is not good enough as an independent, being in the ACC would not help or change that.

So, ND might as well take its chances at 11-1 as an independent.

I believe the thinking is that a 12-1 ACC Champion Notre Dame team would have a better resume for making the playoff - especially if coming off a big win in a conference championship game right before the voters are deciding - than an 11-1 Notre Dame team that played USC or Wake Forest a few weeks ago.

A 12-1 (.9231) team is always going to look a little bit better than an 11-1 (.9167) team. There is more positive information available about the former.

An 11-1 Notre Dame team getting left out of the playoff is certainly not likely to occur often or even ever, but the opportunity to win a conference championship game is a real advantage for conference members with regard to the playoffs.

Most people would question the legitimacy of the system if an an 11-1 team made the playoff over a 12-1 P5 conference champion, and I'm sure the committee knows to avoid that outcome.

I wish I had a $1 for every Notre Dame fan who says if they get left out at 11-1 that being in a conference won't help. HELLO! Game # 13! Ohio State would've been out at 11-1 last year, but got in at 12-1.

(04-19-2015 08:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  On the flip side, a championship game can just as easily cost teams as put them in. In the BCS era, they probably threw more teams out and than put a team in.

TRUE, but... if you're scared of playing in the conference championship game, you probably don't belong in the national championship either!

But it is simply not worth it. How many times will this exact scenario happen in real life?

Why give up what you have and change your entire football culture for some vague fear or concern about a scenario that may happen once every ten years?

Not about ND having to give up culture on purpose. Things going on around them may push it. Not going to argue any Irish fan on here. I will say this to some ND and Texas both are running out of the days they can have total control. That being said both will always have a special power and influence. Which is scary to some.

(04-19-2015 11:18 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 10:08 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:09 AM)opossum Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  +100

I have been saying exactly this for months. The only difference is that if 11-1 is not good enough as an independent, being in the ACC would not help or change that.

So, ND might as well take its chances at 11-1 as an independent.

I believe the thinking is that a 12-1 ACC Champion Notre Dame team would have a better resume for making the playoff - especially if coming off a big win in a conference championship game right before the voters are deciding - than an 11-1 Notre Dame team that played USC or Wake Forest a few weeks ago.

A 12-1 (.9231) team is always going to look a little bit better than an 11-1 (.9167) team. There is more positive information available about the former.

An 11-1 Notre Dame team getting left out of the playoff is certainly not likely to occur often or even ever, but the opportunity to win a conference championship game is a real advantage for conference members with regard to the playoffs.

Most people would question the legitimacy of the system if an an 11-1 team made the playoff over a 12-1 P5 conference champion, and I'm sure the committee knows to avoid that outcome.

I wish I had a $1 for every Notre Dame fan who says if they get left out at 11-1 that being in a conference won't help. HELLO! Game # 13! Ohio State would've been out at 11-1 last year, but got in at 12-1.

(04-19-2015 08:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  On the flip side, a championship game can just as easily cost teams as put them in. In the BCS era, they probably threw more teams out and than put a team in.

TRUE, but... if you're scared of playing in the conference championship game, you probably don't belong in the national championship either!

But it is simply not worth it. How many times will this exact scenario happen in real life?

Why give up what you have and change your entire football culture for some vague fear or concern about a scenario that may happen once every ten years?

For starters, it would land you on my Christmas card mailing list.

Damn, that is really an attractive offer, too.....

(04-19-2015 12:25 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 10:08 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:09 AM)opossum Wrote:  

(04-17-2015 08:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  +100

I have been saying exactly this for months. The only difference is that if 11-1 is not good enough as an independent, being in the ACC would not help or change that.

So, ND might as well take its chances at 11-1 as an independent.

I believe the thinking is that a 12-1 ACC Champion Notre Dame team would have a better resume for making the playoff - especially if coming off a big win in a conference championship game right before the voters are deciding - than an 11-1 Notre Dame team that played USC or Wake Forest a few weeks ago.

A 12-1 (.9231) team is always going to look a little bit better than an 11-1 (.9167) team. There is more positive information available about the former.

An 11-1 Notre Dame team getting left out of the playoff is certainly not likely to occur often or even ever, but the opportunity to win a conference championship game is a real advantage for conference members with regard to the playoffs.

Most people would question the legitimacy of the system if an an 11-1 team made the playoff over a 12-1 P5 conference champion, and I'm sure the committee knows to avoid that outcome.

I wish I had a $1 for every Notre Dame fan who says if they get left out at 11-1 that being in a conference won't help. HELLO! Game # 13! Ohio State would've been out at 11-1 last year, but got in at 12-1.

(04-19-2015 08:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  On the flip side, a championship game can just as easily cost teams as put them in. In the BCS era, they probably threw more teams out and than put a team in.

TRUE, but... if you're scared of playing in the conference championship game, you probably don't belong in the national championship either!

But it is simply not worth it. How many times will this exact scenario happen in real life?

Why give up what you have and change your entire football culture for some vague fear or concern about a scenario that may happen once every ten years?

Not about ND having to give up culture on purpose. Things going on around them may push it. Not going to argue any Irish fan on here. I will say this to some ND and Texas both are running out of the days they can have total control. That being said both will always have a special power and influence. Which is scary to some.

Not to me. I hope people find that Texas and ND combined yield even more power in the future.

I find your vague assertions and predictions without merit or factual support.

Care to provide any actual prof of what you are trying to say?

(04-19-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:25 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 10:08 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:09 AM)opossum Wrote:  I believe the thinking is that a 12-1 ACC Champion Notre Dame team would have a better resume for making the playoff - especially if coming off a big win in a conference championship game right before the voters are deciding - than an 11-1 Notre Dame team that played USC or Wake Forest a few weeks ago.

A 12-1 (.9231) team is always going to look a little bit better than an 11-1 (.9167) team. There is more positive information available about the former.

An 11-1 Notre Dame team getting left out of the playoff is certainly not likely to occur often or even ever, but the opportunity to win a conference championship game is a real advantage for conference members with regard to the playoffs.

Most people would question the legitimacy of the system if an an 11-1 team made the playoff over a 12-1 P5 conference champion, and I'm sure the committee knows to avoid that outcome.

I wish I had a $1 for every Notre Dame fan who says if they get left out at 11-1 that being in a conference won't help. HELLO! Game # 13! Ohio State would've been out at 11-1 last year, but got in at 12-1.

(04-19-2015 08:49 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  On the flip side, a championship game can just as easily cost teams as put them in. In the BCS era, they probably threw more teams out and than put a team in.

TRUE, but... if you're scared of playing in the conference championship game, you probably don't belong in the national championship either!

But it is simply not worth it. How many times will this exact scenario happen in real life?

Why give up what you have and change your entire football culture for some vague fear or concern about a scenario that may happen once every ten years?

Not about ND having to give up culture on purpose. Things going on around them may push it. Not going to argue any Irish fan on here. I will say this to some ND and Texas both are running out of the days they can have total control. That being said both will always have a special power and influence. Which is scary to some.

Not to me. I hope people find that Texas and ND combined yield even more power in the future.

I find your vague assertions and predictions without merit or factual support.

Care to provide any actual prof of what you are trying to say?

Simple. Texas has pissed off most they have been associated with. ND? Well has had it easy for so long. Others are tired of it. Going to 4 conferences will force their hand IMO. No need to worry when it is all said and done ND will still get their milk and cookies.

(04-19-2015 02:31 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:25 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 10:08 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 09:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I wish I had a $1 for every Notre Dame fan who says if they get left out at 11-1 that being in a conference won't help. HELLO! Game # 13! Ohio State would've been out at 11-1 last year, but got in at 12-1.


TRUE, but... if you're scared of playing in the conference championship game, you probably don't belong in the national championship either!

But it is simply not worth it. How many times will this exact scenario happen in real life?

Why give up what you have and change your entire football culture for some vague fear or concern about a scenario that may happen once every ten years?

Not about ND having to give up culture on purpose. Things going on around them may push it. Not going to argue any Irish fan on here. I will say this to some ND and Texas both are running out of the days they can have total control. That being said both will always have a special power and influence. Which is scary to some.

Not to me. I hope people find that Texas and ND combined yield even more power in the future.

I find your vague assertions and predictions without merit or factual support.

Care to provide any actual prof of what you are trying to say?

Simple. Texas has pissed off most they have been associated with. ND? Well has had it easy for so long. Others are tired of it. Going to 4 conferences will force their hand IMO. No need to worry when it is all said and done ND will still get their milk and cookies.

Easy? Explain please.

(04-19-2015 02:36 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:31 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:25 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 10:08 AM)TerryD Wrote:  But it is simply not worth it. How many times will this exact scenario happen in real life?

Why give up what you have and change your entire football culture for some vague fear or concern about a scenario that may happen once every ten years?

Not about ND having to give up culture on purpose. Things going on around them may push it. Not going to argue any Irish fan on here. I will say this to some ND and Texas both are running out of the days they can have total control. That being said both will always have a special power and influence. Which is scary to some.

Not to me. I hope people find that Texas and ND combined yield even more power in the future.

I find your vague assertions and predictions without merit or factual support.

Care to provide any actual prof of what you are trying to say?

Simple. Texas has pissed off most they have been associated with. ND? Well has had it easy for so long. Others are tired of it. Going to 4 conferences will force their hand IMO. No need to worry when it is all said and done ND will still get their milk and cookies.

Easy? Explain please.

NBC. Play whom you want nationally while others cannot. Get picked over other teams for bowl games. SEE Fiesta Bowl when IRish picked over a MIKE VICK VT team. I think Oregon State destroyed a decent ND team. Get exposure when not deserved. Probably more.

(04-19-2015 02:46 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:36 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:31 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 12:25 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  Not about ND having to give up culture on purpose. Things going on around them may push it. Not going to argue any Irish fan on here. I will say this to some ND and Texas both are running out of the days they can have total control. That being said both will always have a special power and influence. Which is scary to some.

Not to me. I hope people find that Texas and ND combined yield even more power in the future.

I find your vague assertions and predictions without merit or factual support.

Care to provide any actual prof of what you are trying to say?

Simple. Texas has pissed off most they have been associated with. ND? Well has had it easy for so long. Others are tired of it. Going to 4 conferences will force their hand IMO. No need to worry when it is all said and done ND will still get their milk and cookies.

Easy? Explain please.

NBC. Play whom you want nationally while others cannot. Get picked over other teams for bowl games. SEE Fiesta Bowl when IRish picked over a MIKE VICK VT team. I think Oregon State destroyed a decent ND team. Get exposure when not deserved. Probably more.

Envy doesn't look too good on you.

The NBC contract and ability to schedule who they want didn't just fall on ND like the manna myth in the bible.

(04-19-2015 02:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:46 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:36 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:31 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Not to me. I hope people find that Texas and ND combined yield even more power in the future.

I find your vague assertions and predictions without merit or factual support.

Care to provide any actual prof of what you are trying to say?

Simple. Texas has pissed off most they have been associated with. ND? Well has had it easy for so long. Others are tired of it. Going to 4 conferences will force their hand IMO. No need to worry when it is all said and done ND will still get their milk and cookies.

Easy? Explain please.

NBC. Play whom you want nationally while others cannot. Get picked over other teams for bowl games. SEE Fiesta Bowl when IRish picked over a MIKE VICK VT team. I think Oregon State destroyed a decent ND team. Get exposure when not deserved. Probably more.

Envy doesn't look too good on you.

I be first to admit I cannot blame ND for trying to keep INDY. Not the point. Point is others are wanting more. Plus taking away from some. Simple this is about money and equal playing field. Plus for the Irish in future I am not sure a league isn't their best way to playoffs. They are ok team. Still refs cost Pitt from taking them out of natty title race couple years back. No I don't blame ND for wanting it to stay same. IMO others are tired of it.

(04-19-2015 02:54 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:46 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:36 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(04-19-2015 02:31 PM)Thomas J. Crumpecker Wrote:  Simple. Texas has pissed off most they have been associated with. ND? Well has had it easy for so long. Others are tired of it. Going to 4 conferences will force their hand IMO. No need to worry when it is all said and done ND will still get their milk and cookies.

Easy? Explain please.

NBC. Play whom you want nationally while others cannot. Get picked over other teams for bowl games. SEE Fiesta Bowl when IRish picked over a MIKE VICK VT team. I think Oregon State destroyed a decent ND team. Get exposure when not deserved. Probably more.

Envy doesn't look too good on you.

I be first to admit I cannot blame ND for trying to keep INDY. Not the point. Point is others are wanting more. Plus taking away from some. Simple this is about money and equal playing field. Plus for the Irish in future I am not sure a league isn't their best way to playoffs. They are ok team. Still refs cost Pitt from taking them out of natty title race couple years back. No I don't blame ND for wanting it to stay same. IMO others are tired of it.

So what?

I have been hearing this from people for almost 50 years.

Your "message" is nothing new.

In 2011 Notre Dame played Pitt, Wake Forrest, BC and Navy. In 2012 they played Miami, Pitt, BC, Wake and Navy. In 2013 both Navy and Pitt. I realize this is a dead horse topic but the addition of Notre Dame and Navy is a thing of beauty for the ACC. Pull VA to Atlantic and make them VA Techs permanent crossover. Notre Dame has 4 games to use for traditional OOC rivals. Offers them little if any difference in their preACC/current ACC lineup. What does ND get? A great but winnable schedule vs traditional foes that gives em a Conf division title to shoot for and a Conf championship game that could help propel them into the Championship Series. ND adds prestige and total legitimacy to being the ACC champ benefitting simultaneously from its own addition. ND football would benefit from the focus of a Conf race. Their fans would appreciate it. Lose 2 games now and the seasons flat. What would ND rather do? Wait for Arizona St in the Sun Bowl or get a shot at Fl St in the ACC title game on a must see TV Sat night and then get an even better bowl if they win? It's a Win Win. Forget about Navy. Navy offers great education, fantastic campus, wonderful history, way more competitive than you realize and its Americas servicemen. They deserve it. No worse than the traditional bottom dwellers of any other conference. This deal gives the ACC and ND a boost of national excitement.

(04-30-2015 07:07 PM)RedGrad Wrote:  In 2011 Notre Dame played Pitt, Wake Forrest, BC and Navy. In 2012 they played Miami, Pitt, BC, Wake and Navy. In 2013 both Navy and Pitt. I realize this is a dead horse topic but the addition of Notre Dame and Navy is a thing of beauty for the ACC. Pull VA to Atlantic and make them VA Techs permanent crossover. Notre Dame has 4 games to use for traditional OOC rivals. Offers them little if any difference in their preACC/current ACC lineup. What does ND get? A great but winnable schedule vs traditional foes that gives em a Conf division title to shoot for and a Conf championship game that could help propel them into the Championship Series. ND adds prestige and total legitimacy to being the ACC champ benefitting simultaneously from its own addition. ND football would benefit from the focus of a Conf race. Their fans would appreciate it. Lose 2 games now and the seasons flat. What would ND rather do? Wait for Arizona St in the Sun Bowl or get a shot at Fl St in the ACC title game on a must see TV Sat night and then get an even better bowl if they win? It's a Win Win. Forget about Navy. Navy offers great education, fantastic campus, wonderful history, way more competitive than you realize and its Americas servicemen. They deserve it. No worse than the traditional bottom dwellers of any other conference. This deal gives the ACC and ND a boost of national excitement.

No, I won't. I would rather keep things status quo, thanks.