In the “Talking Points Memo” segment of “The O’Reilly Factor” last night, Bill O’Reilly insisted that America isn’t “a place where minority people are targets of organized injustice” — but he was left scrambling for answers when Tavis Smiley asked him how many instances of police brutality would constitute a pattern.

After complaining that the “anti-police people” and their “insane views of the world can poison actual societies,” he brought on PBS host Smiley, who immediately jumped on that comment. He and other protesters, he said, aren’t “anti-police — we’re anti-police misconduct, anti-police abuse.”

The problem, Smiley said, is that when O’Reilly and other right-wing ideologues discuss an incident of police violence against a black citizen, they strip it of its context and treat it as if it were an isolated occurrence.

“My question to you, Bill, is how many isolated incidents equals a pattern?” Smiley asked.

O’Reilly paused, took a deep breath, and said “I can’t answer the question.”

“Now you’re dodging,” Smiley shot back.

“I’m not dodging the question — it’s an impossible question to answer with any certainty,” O’Reilly replied. He noted that in 2012 or 2013 — he wasn’t sure which — only 135 black men were killed by police, which he took to be an impressive statistic given that there are over 1.2 million police officers in this country.

Smiley refused to buy into that narrative, replying that “when you try to tell black people every time one of these incidents happens and another precious young life is lost, that it’s just an isolated incident? That’s offensive.”

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/16/bill_ore...to_answer/

No, he didn't.

There are something like a million cops on the street. If 1% are crooked racists, that is 10,000. It doesn't mean there is a pattern that ties the profession to racism. If they violate civil rights, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent, but I am just sick and tired of hearing about "the cops".

(04-16-2015 10:13 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  In the “Talking Points Memo” segment of “The O’Reilly Factor” last night, Bill O’Reilly insisted that America isn’t “a place where minority people are targets of organized injustice” — but he was left scrambling for answers when Tavis Smiley asked him how many instances of police brutality would constitute a pattern.

After complaining that the “anti-police people” and their “insane views of the world can poison actual societies,” he brought on PBS host Smiley, who immediately jumped on that comment. He and other protesters, he said, aren’t “anti-police — we’re anti-police misconduct, anti-police abuse.”

The problem, Smiley said, is that when O’Reilly and other right-wing ideologues discuss an incident of police violence against a black citizen, they strip it of its context and treat it as if it were an isolated occurrence.

“My question to you, Bill, is how many isolated incidents equals a pattern?” Smiley asked.

O’Reilly paused, took a deep breath, and said “I can’t answer the question.”

“Now you’re dodging,” Smiley shot back.

“I’m not dodging the question — it’s an impossible question to answer with any certainty,” O’Reilly replied. He noted that in 2012 or 2013 — he wasn’t sure which — only 135 black men were killed by police, which he took to be an impressive statistic given that there are over 1.2 million police officers in this country.

Smiley refused to buy into that narrative, replying that “when you try to tell black people every time one of these incidents happens and another precious young life is lost, that it’s just an isolated incident? That’s offensive.”

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/16/bill_ore...to_answer/

That's like someone asking how long is a piece of string ? If You don't know an exact measurement, it could go on for miles

Both Bill O'Reilly and Tavis Smiley are morons.

Smiley brings out a valid point however. If O'Rielly clearly states that it's an isolated incident, then he should have a ballpark number in mind.

137 black killed by cops in one year? That does raise an eyebrow to me.

(04-16-2015 11:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Smiley brings out a valid point however. If O'Rielly clearly states that it's an isolated incident, then he should have a ballpark number in mind.

137 black killed by cops in one year? That does raise an eyebrow to me.

Disproportionate? Indeed.

An issue that transcends race? No doubt about it.

(04-16-2015 11:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Smiley brings out a valid point however. If O'Rielly clearly states that it's an isolated incident, then he should have a ballpark number in mind.

137 black killed by cops in one year? That does raise an eyebrow to me.

To put things in perspective, that is .01% and most of those are likely justified and the ones that aren't are probably rogues. It doesn't scream institutional racism to me. Now I wouldn't be shocked if there were some isolated departments around the country that were institutionaly crooked or racist, but I haven't seen evidence of that other than maybe LA in the 90s.

(04-16-2015 11:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Smiley brings out a valid point however. If O'Rielly clearly states that it's an isolated incident, then he should have a ballpark number in mind.

137 black killed by cops in one year? That does raise an eyebrow to me.

Disproportionate? Indeed.

An issue that transcends race? No doubt about it.

There you go, pointing out facts again

(04-16-2015 11:43 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Both Bill O'Reilly and Tavis Smiley are morons.

I think they are both pretty smart

(04-16-2015 12:11 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Smiley brings out a valid point however. If O'Rielly clearly states that it's an isolated incident, then he should have a ballpark number in mind.

137 black killed by cops in one year? That does raise an eyebrow to me.

Disproportionate? Indeed.

An issue that transcends race? No doubt about it.

There you go, pointing out facts again

Yes but without context that "fact" is extremely misleading. When you factor in population demographics it shows that blacks are at a far more likely to be killed by the police.

Come on bro you are better than that.

(04-16-2015 11:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Smiley brings out a valid point however. If O'Rielly clearly states that it's an isolated incident, then he should have a ballpark number in mind.

137 black killed by cops in one year? That does raise an eyebrow to me.

Reduce the population of Blacks (as well as other races in this country), and that number will be decreased!

It's easier for society to hold citizens accountable for being a ****** bag and a dirty human being when there is less population.

Reducing the population in America may be AMERICAS BEST IDEA!

Apparently, Asians are the most upright of citizens based on race alone.

What a delusional spin on that interview.

I saw this segment and I've see Tavis' show many times.

I honesty thought Tavis was going to have a stroke when the camera panned to him following Bills talking points memo.

I was thinking, WOW, he's about to EXPLODE from his body language and expression. I've never seen the guy so rattled and mad all at once. He's a smart guy though and quickly collected himself after the first question.

He came in ready to unload on Bill and Bill prepared and blunted his entire racial angle with facts and hard stats before he ever spoke. Then the camera went strait to him, sitting there BOILING.

Great stuff for TV ratings.

(04-16-2015 10:13 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  In the “Talking Points Memo” segment of “The O’Reilly Factor” last night, Bill O’Reilly insisted that America isn’t “a place where minority people are targets of organized injustice” — but he was left scrambling for answers when Tavis Smiley asked him how many instances of police brutality would constitute a pattern.

How many instances of false social justice outrages would constitute a pattern?

Let's see, there was Tawanna Brawley, the Duke Lacrosse "rapes", OJ, Trayvon Martin, and Michael Brown.

(04-16-2015 12:22 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Yes but without context that "fact" is extremely misleading. When you factor in population demographics it shows that blacks are at a far more likely to be killed by the police.

Come on bro you are better than that.

The same stats show young black men are for more likely to commit violent crimes, far more likely to live in violent neighborhoods, and be involved in street gangs.

Pretending like that doesn't play a huge role but racists cops do is just deceitful and pathetic.

(04-16-2015 12:22 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:11 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Smiley brings out a valid point however. If O'Rielly clearly states that it's an isolated incident, then he should have a ballpark number in mind.

137 black killed by cops in one year? That does raise an eyebrow to me.

Disproportionate? Indeed.

An issue that transcends race? No doubt about it.

There you go, pointing out facts again

Yes but without context that "fact" is extremely misleading. When you factor in population demographics it shows that blacks are at a far more likely to be killed by the police.

Come on bro you are better than that.

I just freaking said that. Did you even read?

(04-16-2015 12:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:22 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Yes but without context that "fact" is extremely misleading. When you factor in population demographics it shows that blacks are at a far more likely to be killed by the police.

Come on bro you are better than that.

The same stats show young black men are for more likely to commit violent crimes, far more likely to live in violent neighborhoods, and be involved in street gangs.

Pretending like that doesn't play a huge role but racists cops do is just deceitful and pathetic.

"The same stats" also show that drug sentencing length/incarceration rates disproportionately affect blacks and does not match the actual usage rates of drugs among blacks and whites.

Pretending that there isn't an institutional problem of some kind working against blacks within the justice system is just deceitful and pathetic.

African Americans serve virtually as much time in prison for a drug offense (58.7 months) as whites do for a violent offense (61.7 months).

Let that stat sink in for a little bit...

(04-16-2015 12:52 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:22 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:11 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:59 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:54 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Smiley brings out a valid point however. If O'Rielly clearly states that it's an isolated incident, then he should have a ballpark number in mind.

137 black killed by cops in one year? That does raise an eyebrow to me.

Disproportionate? Indeed.

An issue that transcends race? No doubt about it.

There you go, pointing out facts again

Yes but without context that "fact" is extremely misleading. When you factor in population demographics it shows that blacks are at a far more likely to be killed by the police.

Come on bro you are better than that.

I just freaking said that. Did you even read?

1. You weren't really clear in what you were saying in the first place.

2. But given the picture you used, the way you said it, and your post history, it's pretty obvious which direction you were leaning towards

3. I did not argue the same talking point as you.

Important fact, crack cocaine and powder cocaine receive different sentences.

It is less an operation of racism than it is a grasp of the different social damage done by 'crack' as opposed to 'blow.'

As we all know, crack is the drug of choice for many blacks whereas blow is the drug of choice for wealthy whites.

If you dig, you will find sentences for whites related to meth are more closely related to those given to blacks for crack. Meth and crack do tremendous social damage.