I'm uncomfortable digging up someone's record and further publicizing it. I'm sure the guy's been humiliated as it is. It just feels irrelevant to me. I have full confidence in Sander's competence and due diligence in any personnel decision.

(04-21-2015 08:33 PM)Bucfaithful Wrote:  I'm uncomfortable digging up someone's record and further publicizing it. I'm sure the guy's been humiliated as it is. It just feels irrelevant to me. I have full confidence in Sander's competence and due diligence in any personnel decision.

+1

Sander has earned our trust. Let's enjoy the ride and not worry about peripheral staff members' skeletons. Heaven knows I have my own to deal with.

(04-21-2015 07:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Did I miss something in his resume that would warrant moving him into a departmental/administrative position as an assistant coach and not Murry?
Also, did I miss the thread where we all discussed his DUI charge in 2010?

http://woay.com/News.aspx?nid=1067

No reason to post something like that.

Would have been relevant 2 years ago when he was hired, not so relevant after he has been an employee for 2 years with zero missteps.

Absolutely ridiculous post on Coach Bolen, blover. But not unexpected as many of your other posts show a total lack of couth.

(04-22-2015 03:18 PM)buc73 Wrote:  Absolutely ridiculous post on Coach Bolen, blover. But not unexpected as many of your other posts show a total lack of couth.

Many that have come to know Coach Bolen love him. He fits this area perfectly. He mentioned that this was like a nicer version of his hometown. I wish him nothing but the best.

(04-22-2015 03:18 PM)buc73 Wrote:  Absolutely ridiculous post on Coach Bolen, blover. But not unexpected as many of your other posts show a total lack of couth.

I don't think so. A man's public criminal record is always relevant. For what its worth, I fully support him and wish he was still an assistant coach (I think we are getting a little carried away with the number of "assistant to the AD" type jobs at ETSU). But a DUI arrest should be something that he always has to answer to. It is never ridiculous to bring it up. It also should not be a disqualification.

(04-23-2015 05:22 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 03:18 PM)buc73 Wrote:  Absolutely ridiculous post on Coach Bolen, blover. But not unexpected as many of your other posts show a total lack of couth.

I don't think so. A man's public criminal record is always relevant. For what its worth, I fully support him and wish he was still an assistant coach (I think we are getting a little carried away with the number of "assistant to the AD" type jobs at ETSU). But a DUI arrest should be something that he always has to answer to. It is never ridiculous to bring it up. It also should not be a disqualification.

Was he actually prosecuted and given a sentence? Just because a person is arrested doesn't always make them guilty. It's pretty bad to drag a person's name through the mud when you only know one part of the story. Plenty of people have their lives ruined by false charges.

And even IF he was found guilty of a DUI, that doesn't immediately make them a horrible person to me. Did he make necessary changes in his life? Did he go through counseling to fix the problem. Has he ever appeared to continue to have the same problem while here at ETSU? People often deserve a second chance and forgiveness of us. Maybe Dr. Sander saw a changed man and thought he deserved his second chance here with us.

(04-23-2015 07:40 AM)queenladybug817 Wrote:  

(04-23-2015 05:22 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 03:18 PM)buc73 Wrote:  Absolutely ridiculous post on Coach Bolen, blover. But not unexpected as many of your other posts show a total lack of couth.

I don't think so. A man's public criminal record is always relevant. For what its worth, I fully support him and wish he was still an assistant coach (I think we are getting a little carried away with the number of "assistant to the AD" type jobs at ETSU). But a DUI arrest should be something that he always has to answer to. It is never ridiculous to bring it up. It also should not be a disqualification.

Was he actually prosecuted and given a sentence? Just because a person is arrested doesn't always make them guilty. It's pretty bad to drag a person's name through the mud when you only know one part of the story. Plenty of people have their lives ruined by false charges.

And even IF he was found guilty of a DUI, that doesn't immediately make them a horrible person to me. Did he make necessary changes in his life? Did he go through counseling to fix the problem. Has he ever appeared to continue to have the same problem while here at ETSU? People often deserve a second chance and forgiveness of us. Maybe Dr. Sander saw a changed man and thought he deserved his second chance here with us.

Amen.

(04-23-2015 07:40 AM)queenladybug817 Wrote:  

(04-23-2015 05:22 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 03:18 PM)buc73 Wrote:  Absolutely ridiculous post on Coach Bolen, blover. But not unexpected as many of your other posts show a total lack of couth.

I don't think so. A man's public criminal record is always relevant. For what its worth, I fully support him and wish he was still an assistant coach (I think we are getting a little carried away with the number of "assistant to the AD" type jobs at ETSU). But a DUI arrest should be something that he always has to answer to. It is never ridiculous to bring it up. It also should not be a disqualification.

Was he actually prosecuted and given a sentence? Just because a person is arrested doesn't always make them guilty. It's pretty bad to drag a person's name through the mud when you only know one part of the story. Plenty of people have their lives ruined by false charges.

And even IF he was found guilty of a DUI, that doesn't immediately make them a horrible person to me. Did he make necessary changes in his life? Did he go through counseling to fix the problem. Has he ever appeared to continue to have the same problem while here at ETSU? People often deserve a second chance and forgiveness of us. Maybe Dr. Sander saw a changed man and thought he deserved his second chance here with us.

Coach Forbes' past show cause penalty/mistakes were obviously forgiven by Sander, or he would not of considered him for this job. Thankfully.

(04-22-2015 06:50 AM)Etsubuc20 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 07:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Did I miss something in his resume that would warrant moving him into a departmental/administrative position as an assistant coach and not Murry?
Also, did I miss the thread where we all discussed his DUI charge in 2010?

http://woay.com/News.aspx?nid=1067

No reason to post something like that.

I respectfully disagree with every single one of you, and will stand on that island alone. As someone who was responsible for hiring people that would have access to company owned vehicles, DUI's are a huge deal. I do have faith in the university as a whole right now, but I have an issue giving someone a job who would have access to state issued, tax payer funded AND insured vehicles who has one of these on their record.
Plus, why not dig? Why is he qualified to be a "special assistant," and what the hell does that even mean? We know for Dave Mullins it was a way to push him aside and not have to buy him out completely.
It's one thing to trust someone in their decision making process, it's another when they create a position for someone who didn't necessarily get the job done as an assistant coach and clearly wasn't good enough to be retained by the new head coach.

(04-23-2015 09:07 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 06:50 AM)Etsubuc20 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 07:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Did I miss something in his resume that would warrant moving him into a departmental/administrative position as an assistant coach and not Murry?
Also, did I miss the thread where we all discussed his DUI charge in 2010?

http://woay.com/News.aspx?nid=1067

No reason to post something like that.

I respectfully disagree with every single one of you, and will stand on that island alone. As someone who was responsible for hiring people that would have access to company owned vehicles, DUI's are a huge deal. I do have faith in the university as a whole right now, but I have an issue giving someone a job who would have access to state issued, tax payer funded AND insured vehicles who has one of these on their record.
Plus, why not dig? Why is he qualified to be a "special assistant," and what the hell does that even mean? We know for Dave Mullins it was a way to push him aside and not have to buy him out completely.
It's one thing to trust someone in their decision making process, it's another when they create a position for someone who didn't necessarily get the job done as an assistant coach and clearly wasn't good enough to be retained by the new head coach.

He brought in about 50 people to the Marshall game his first year here. A lot of those people paid for his salary at Mountain State, which was quite an impressive one.

(04-23-2015 09:07 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 06:50 AM)Etsubuc20 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 07:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Did I miss something in his resume that would warrant moving him into a departmental/administrative position as an assistant coach and not Murry?
Also, did I miss the thread where we all discussed his DUI charge in 2010?

http://woay.com/News.aspx?nid=1067

No reason to post something like that.

I respectfully disagree with every single one of you, and will stand on that island alone. As someone who was responsible for hiring people that would have access to company owned vehicles, DUI's are a huge deal. I do have faith in the university as a whole right now, but I have an issue giving someone a job who would have access to state issued, tax payer funded AND insured vehicles who has one of these on their record.
Plus, why not dig? Why is he qualified to be a "special assistant," and what the hell does that even mean? We know for Dave Mullins it was a way to push him aside and not have to buy him out completely.
It's one thing to trust someone in their decision making process, it's another when they create a position for someone who didn't necessarily get the job done as an assistant coach and clearly wasn't good enough to be retained by the new head coach.

Again, the difference of arrested for DUI and found guilty of DUI are different things. Was he found guilty or not? If he was, then you may have a valid concern. But all anyone posted was an article about him being arrested.

(04-23-2015 09:07 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(04-22-2015 06:50 AM)Etsubuc20 Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 07:56 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Did I miss something in his resume that would warrant moving him into a departmental/administrative position as an assistant coach and not Murry?
Also, did I miss the thread where we all discussed his DUI charge in 2010?

http://woay.com/News.aspx?nid=1067

No reason to post something like that.

I respectfully disagree with every single one of you, and will stand on that island alone. As someone who was responsible for hiring people that would have access to company owned vehicles, DUI's are a huge deal. I do have faith in the university as a whole right now, but I have an issue giving someone a job who would have access to state issued, tax payer funded AND insured vehicles who has one of these on their record.
Plus, why not dig? Why is he qualified to be a "special assistant," and what the hell does that even mean? We know for Dave Mullins it was a way to push him aside and not have to buy him out completely.
It's one thing to trust someone in their decision making process, it's another when they create a position for someone who didn't necessarily get the job done as an assistant coach and clearly wasn't good enough to be retained by the new head coach.

"Oh Lord it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way..." Old Mac Davis song came to mind - sorry for getting off topic.

Innocent until proven guilty. Innocent.

I don't even know the guy. I hate those stupid clown shoes he wears. But I just believe that without a conviction, we should assume the best. If he had one or more arrests, then maybe we could have a talk. But one? Let's trust that Sander has done his due diligence and assume that there's more to the story than a mug shot.