(04-15-2015 09:13 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:00 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 05:51 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  William Buckley used to say he'd trust the judgment of 12 random people out of the Boston phone book over any 12 members of the Harvard faculty. "Intelligence" and education are not good predictors of wisdom.

But it is a shame we have complete morons voting in heavy numbers. Anyone who thinks the Civil War happened in the 1950's or that the Revolutionary War was to break away from Germany should stay away from the voting booth.

I agree with you on your 2nd paragraph in particular, and rest assured that the morons flock to both political parties. Don't fool yourself into assuming that the most ignorant are welfare dregs flocking to the democrat banner. There are plenty of ignorant people who flock to the GOP banner who think the earth is only 6000 or 7000 years old...

I agree, but I'd say the Democrat morons are a bigger part of their constituency. The Republicans who think the Earth is 6,000 years old are rare. I've never met one and I'm a lifelong Republican.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. How many on the religious right have a very strict, literal interpretation of the bible? I bet an awful lot of evangelical, fundamentalist religious right believe in the Adam and Eve story, Tower of Babel and Noah's Ark story - all of which are scientifically false.

Its funny, religion and science are two totally different things, yet many people today are unable to separate the two. This is the case with believers AND nonbelievers. Its never been a problem for me, we have God's Word and we our state education of Man's science, philosophy, math, social and civic studies, architecture, ect ect.

One is designed to educate you to make money in the word, the other is to educate you about the afterlife.

Science tells us the Earth is billions of year old and the Bible tells us the earth is MUCH older than just 6000 years. Yet we have believers AND non believers claiming it says the Earth is 6000 years old. Both sides need to read the book or shut up about it.

Even if they DID contradict (as some falsely claim) its really not an issue. The bible is not a science book and is not taught as such in public schools.

You go to school and college to get an education and you go to church to worship and study the Bible.

(04-15-2015 05:17 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

I looked up your claims and I found that Romney got 47% of the college vote while Obama got 53%, and the postgrad numbers are 62% Obama and 38% Romney.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/electi...roups.aspx

Wait, you mean to tell me that a different poll received different results?! AMAZING!

Regardless, the illiterate high school dropouts overwhelmingly vote "D," thus destroying the absurd and baseless claim that uneducated folks vote Republican.

(04-16-2015 08:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 05:17 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

I looked up your claims and I found that Romney got 47% of the college vote while Obama got 53%, and the postgrad numbers are 62% Obama and 38% Romney.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/electi...roups.aspx

Wait, you mean to tell me that a different poll received different results?! AMAZING!

You haven't cited a poll though, you just stated numbers.

(04-16-2015 08:46 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 09:13 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:00 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 05:51 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  William Buckley used to say he'd trust the judgment of 12 random people out of the Boston phone book over any 12 members of the Harvard faculty. "Intelligence" and education are not good predictors of wisdom.

But it is a shame we have complete morons voting in heavy numbers. Anyone who thinks the Civil War happened in the 1950's or that the Revolutionary War was to break away from Germany should stay away from the voting booth.

I agree with you on your 2nd paragraph in particular, and rest assured that the morons flock to both political parties. Don't fool yourself into assuming that the most ignorant are welfare dregs flocking to the democrat banner. There are plenty of ignorant people who flock to the GOP banner who think the earth is only 6000 or 7000 years old...

I agree, but I'd say the Democrat morons are a bigger part of their constituency. The Republicans who think the Earth is 6,000 years old are rare. I've never met one and I'm a lifelong Republican.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. How many on the religious right have a very strict, literal interpretation of the bible? I bet an awful lot of evangelical, fundamentalist religious right believe in the Adam and Eve story, Tower of Babel and Noah's Ark story - all of which are scientifically false.

Its funny, religion and science are two totally different things, yet many people today are unable to separate the two. This is the case with believers AND nonbelievers. Its never been a problem for me, we have God's Word and we our state education of Man's science, philosophy, math, architecture, ect ect.

One is designed to educate you to make money in the word, the other is to educate you about the afterlife.

Science tells us the Earth is billions of year old and the Bible tells us the earth is much older than 6000 years. Yet we have believers AND non believers claiming it says the Earth is 6000 years old. Both sides need to read the book or shut up about it.

Even if they DID contradict (as some claim) its really not an issue. The bible is not a science book and is not taught as such in public schools.

You go to school and college to get an education and you go to church to worship and study the Bible.

Probably a discussion for another thread, but how come since the reformation we have seen so many new Christian denominations pop up - all emphasizing different things? Since Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Wesley's etc we see distinct interpretations on God's word, the afterlife and the keys to salvation. How can so many people who make a sincere and good faith appeal to the Holy Spirit to open up the word of God to the eyes of the faithful so that they can fully understand what God wants us to do?

How come so many people asked for guidance and got the wrong info? People's beliefs run the continuum when it comes to the bible. Some prayed sincerely to the Holy Spirit and concluded that the bible is the inerrant word of God in all things, and that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, that the bible is largely allegory, that much of the Jewish traditions should be preserved, that Jesus did away with the prior Jewish practices, that the Trinity is an abomination, that the Trinity is the explanation of who God is, that Sunday is the new day of worship for Christians that Saturday is still THE sabbath, that baptism is regenerative and washes away original sin, that baptism is nothing more than a sign of an inner working grace, that once you accept the Lord into your heart you are saved forever, that you can lose your salvation if you commit serious sin, that by faith alone you are saved, that faith without works is dead, etc. etc.

(04-16-2015 09:33 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Probably a discussion for another thread, but how come since the reformation we have seen so many new Christian denominations pop up - all emphasizing different things? Since Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Wesley's etc we see distinct interpretations on God's word, the afterlife and the keys to salvation. How can so many people who make a sincere and good faith appeal to the Holy Spirit to open up the word of God to the eyes of the faithful so that they can fully understand what God wants us to do?

How come so many people asked for guidance and got the wrong info? People's beliefs run the continuum when it comes to the bible. Some prayed sincerely to the Holy Spirit and concluded that the bible is the inerrant word of God in all things, and that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, that the bible is largely allegory, that much of the Jewish traditions should be preserved, that Jesus did away with the prior Jewish practices, that the Trinity is an abomination, that the Trinity is the explanation of who God is, that Sunday is the new day of worship for Christians that Saturday is still THE sabbath, that baptism is regenerative and washes away original sin, that baptism is nothing more than a sign of an inner working grace, that once you accept the Lord into your heart you are saved forever, that you can lose your salvation if you commit serious sin, that by faith alone you are saved, that faith without works is dead, etc. etc.

You seem to think one can pray to God for Knowledge and then understand every aspect of every Scripture and every bit of knowledge ever created. God gives us the knowledge to follow His Son and enter his kingdom, He never said he would reveal ALL things in the flesh to us if we ask. Many things will be reveled in our resurrection.

Are you seriously asking me why Humans can't seem to agree on anything?

Do you think becoming a Christian means you are suddenly not human anymore and are an infallible, omnipotent being with all knowledge of the universe? Christians are still imperfect, sinful human beings, who live in the flesh and walk by faith. If all knowledge is given to us while in the flesh, then why would we need faith?


One of the most important scriptures in the bible that pertains to us TODAY is John 20:29 (after His resurrection)

29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”

Those in this age who are willing to believe in Him, having NEVER seen Him or having no obvious proof, and living in a world that hates and mocks you for believing in Him, they will be very specially blessed in His Kingdom. They never even see him but they choose to love Him more then the world or anything in it, including their own lives.

(04-15-2015 01:12 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:09 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 10:25 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  So... Ann Coulter said it?

Is she a Fox News employee?

Fox News posed the question and they had Ann Coulter talk about why it's a good idea.

Do you agree?

I agree that literacy is incredibly important.

I wish that those who voted in elections were more educated/informed.

Should the ability to read/write be a requirement to vote? I don't think so. I think as long as you have photo ID and are a citizen, you're good to go. Hell, there are college students who can't form a basic written sentence. It's sad...

Thank you for that honest response.

(04-16-2015 09:19 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 08:58 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 05:17 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:45 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  College grads was 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.

Well, there goes your false narrative.

I looked up your claims and I found that Romney got 47% of the college vote while Obama got 53%, and the postgrad numbers are 62% Obama and 38% Romney.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/electi...roups.aspx

Wait, you mean to tell me that a different poll received different results?! AMAZING!

You haven't cited a poll though, you just stated numbers.

I guess y'all skipped the previous post

(04-16-2015 09:00 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Regardless, the illiterate high school dropouts overwhelmingly vote "D," thus destroying the absurd and baseless claim that uneducated folks vote Republican.

You're probably referring to this poll here:
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/polls/u...oted-2012/

These numbers were sourced from the Washington Post exit polling. Some takeaways:

• People with some HS overwhelmingly voted for Obama - that is correct. The "HS dropouts" though made up 3% of the electorate. So if the thought was that hordes of uneducated people ran to the polls to tip the election towards Obama, it was very, very underwhelming.
• If you take the weighted average of all people who claimed to have some college education all the way to post grad - Obama takes more "educated" people with a slight edge.
• This race was based on turnout, and the GOP did not turn out for Romney. If they would have, we don't know how that would change the education demographic for this election.
  

My guess is the evangelical voting block is causing people who believe in fiscal liberty to migrate towards the dems because of civil liberties. The dems are better at selling civil liberties than the GOP is at selling fiscal liberty.

(04-16-2015 09:43 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 09:33 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Probably a discussion for another thread, but how come since the reformation we have seen so many new Christian denominations pop up - all emphasizing different things? Since Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Wesley's etc we see distinct interpretations on God's word, the afterlife and the keys to salvation. How can so many people who make a sincere and good faith appeal to the Holy Spirit to open up the word of God to the eyes of the faithful so that they can fully understand what God wants us to do?

How come so many people asked for guidance and got the wrong info? People's beliefs run the continuum when it comes to the bible. Some prayed sincerely to the Holy Spirit and concluded that the bible is the inerrant word of God in all things, and that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, that the bible is largely allegory, that much of the Jewish traditions should be preserved, that Jesus did away with the prior Jewish practices, that the Trinity is an abomination, that the Trinity is the explanation of who God is, that Sunday is the new day of worship for Christians that Saturday is still THE sabbath, that baptism is regenerative and washes away original sin, that baptism is nothing more than a sign of an inner working grace, that once you accept the Lord into your heart you are saved forever, that you can lose your salvation if you commit serious sin, that by faith alone you are saved, that faith without works is dead, etc. etc.

You seem to think one can pray to God for Knowledge and then understand every aspect of every Scripture and every bit of knowledge ever created. God gives us the knowledge to follow His Son and enter his kingdom, He never said he would reveal ALL things in the flesh to us if we ask. Many things will be reveled in our resurrection.

Are you seriously asking me why Humans can't seem to agree on anything?

Do you think becoming a Christian means you are suddenly not human anymore and are an infallible, omnipotent being with all knowledge of the universe? Christians are still imperfect, sinful human beings, who live in the flesh and walk by faith. If all knowledge is given to us while in the flesh, then why would we need faith?


One of the most important scriptures in the bible that pertains to us TODAY is John 20:29 (after His resurrection)

29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”

Those in this age who are willing to believe in Him, having NEVER seen Him or having no obvious proof, and living in a world that hates and mocks you for believing in Him, they will be very specially blessed in His Kingdom. They never even see him but they choose to love Him more then the world or anything in it, including their own lives.

You just set up a false argument. I never said anything about asking God to reveal all things to us. I was referring strictly to the bible itself. Why is it too much to ask that people who read the bible in good faith and pray for guidance in understanding the scriptures in good faith not be given the correct answers? You originally had one statement in bold that said that people are drawing different conclusions from the bible because they are human. I think that answer is more relevant than you realize.

That last paragraph in bold is very interesting. Roughly 80% of the U.S. is Christian. http://religions.pewforum.org/reports How can Christians be persecuted in a land where they heavily outnumber any other religion combined?